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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:25 PM
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"Sr.admin.officials...are considering alternatives other than democracy!"
(I heard Harry Shearer report this on his Public Radio show "Le Show" today, thankfully, he published this version too.!)
Opinion

Harry Shearer: Buried Lede Department--Goodbye, Democracy


Harry Shearer Fri Aug 18, 11:33 AM ET

EDINBURGH--Thursday's NYTimes ran a story the lede of which was newsworthy enough, perhaps:...

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...But buried right at the end of the three-byline piece are three paragraphs that seem to me to be distinctly newsworthy, especially coming in the wake of the "Bush frustrated" stories early this week.

Yet some outside experts who have recently visited the White House said Bush administration officials were beginning to plan for the possibility that Iraq's democratically elected government might not survive.

"Senior administration officials have acknowledged to me that they are considering alternatives other than democracy," said one military affairs expert who received an Iraq briefing at the White House last month and agreed to speak only on condition of anonymity.

"Everybody in the administration is being quite circumspect," the expert said, "but you can sense their own concern that this is drifting away from democracy...."

(more at links) <http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060818/cm_huffpost/0... >

<http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/17/world/middleeast/17mi... >
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:27 PM
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1. It wasn't a Democracy if the leader was chosen by the US...
what are they talking about? They were warned what would happen....and they blissfully ignored the advice and fired anyone who mentioned what would happen......
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:29 PM
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2. (It was never about democracy) nt
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:05 AM
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14. Exactly, it was all about money under the cloak of an image of
democracy.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:32 PM
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3. Oh, whew. First read through I missed that they were talking about Iraq.
Not that it isn't true about the US these days, too, but I was shocked at the idea that they would admit it so casually.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:38 PM
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4. I was thinking that too...
...I agree compleatly with what you said.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:03 AM
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13. no shit I was about to blow a gasket
and dam I ain't got many left.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:43 PM
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5. Are they putting Saddam back in charge?
:shrug:
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:44 PM
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6. holy shit! I thought they were talking about the US there for a second! nt
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:50 PM
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8. Nah........that mission has already been accomplished.
On to new territory and a fresh start, building their ideal corporate world from scratch.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:48 PM
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7. "Democracy" was never in the Plans
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 12:06 AM by Dover
Don't forget that the Iraq invasion was a policy plan created by CORPORATIONS. Corporate-think and structure is anything but democratic. And believe me....... global corporate governance is THE PLAN...and Iraq is meant to be its first model.

According to Greg Palast:

One such document, titled "Moving the Iraqi Economy from Recovery to Growth", was obtained from the State Department by well-known investigative reporter Greg Palast. The document, also called the "Economy Plan", was part of a largely secret program called "The Iraq Strategy".

Here is how Palast describes the plan: "The Economy Plan goes boldly where no invasion plan has gone before: the complete rewrite, it says, of a conquered state's 'policies, laws and regulations'. Here's what you'll find in the plan: a highly detailed program ... for imposing a new regime of low taxes on big business, and quick sales of Iraq's banks and bridges - in fact, 'all state enterprises' - to foreign operators ... Beginning on page 73, the secret drafters emphasized that Iraq would have to 'privatize' its 'oil and supporting industries'." <5>

After a detailed account and analysis of the plan, Palast concludes, "If the Economy Plan reads like a Christmas wish-list drafted by US corporate lobbyists, that's because it was. From slashing taxes to wiping away Iraq's tariffs (taxes on imports of US and other foreign goods), the package carries the unmistakable fingerprints of the small, soft hands of Grover Norquist."

Norquist, once registered as a lobbyist for Microsoft and American Express, is one of many corporate lobbyists who helped shape the Economy Plan for the "new" Iraq. In an interview with Palast, Norquist boasted of moving freely at the Treasury, Defense and State departments, and in the White House, "shaping the post-conquest economic plans ...".

The Economy Plan's "Annex D" laid out "a strict 360-day schedule for the free-market makeover of Iraq". But General Jay Garner, the initially designated ruler of Iraq, had promised Iraqis they would have free and fair elections as soon as Saddam Hussein was toppled, preferably within 90 days.

In the face of this conflict, civilian militarists of the Bush administration overruled Garner: elections were postponed - as usual, on grounds that the local population and/or conditions were not yet ripe for elections. The real reason for the postponement, however, was that, as Palast points out, "It was simply inconceivable that any popularly elected government would let America write its laws and auction off the nation's crown jewel, its petroleum industry."

When Palast asked lobbyist Norquist about the postponement of the elections, he responded matter-of-factly: "The right to trade, property rights, these things are not to be determined by some democratic election." The troops would simply have to wait longer.
Garner's resistance to the plan to postpone the elections was a major factor for his sudden replacement with L Paul Bremer, who, having served as managing director of Kissinger Associates, better understood the corporate culture. Soon after assuming power in Saddam's old palace, Bremer canceled Garner's scheduled meeting of Iraq's tribal leaders that was called to plan national elections.

Instead, he appointed the entire "government" himself. National elections, Bremer pronounced, would have to wait until 2005. "The delay would, incidentally, provide," Palast notes, "time needed to lock in the laws, regulations and irreversible sales of assets in accordance with the Economy Plan ... Altogether, the leader of the Coalition Provisional Authority issued exactly 100 orders that remade Iraq in the image of the Economy Plan." ..cont'd

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HH16Ak01.html

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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:36 AM
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9. There is a small, but significant error in that article, were it says...
"...Soon after assuming power in Saddam's old palace, Bremer canceled Garner's scheduled meeting of Iraq's tribal leaders that was called to plan national elections...."

He didn't actually "cancel" the meeting, he just didn't bother to show up, everyone else was there waiting for him, is what I heard. That came out recently, I'd have to look it up to find it.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:50 AM
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12. "the small, soft hands of Grover Norquist..."
:rofl:
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 05:12 AM
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21. so they plan to make Iraq into a Fascist Utopia
where the entire system is designed to funnel 100% of the resources, including labor, into the wallets of the "owners," with no dissent allowed, all under the official sanction of law.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:38 AM
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10. Are they are still pretending?
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:42 AM
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11. I still can't believe anyone in this country ever fell for their
Domino Theory shit a second time, even if it was in reverse.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 04:55 AM
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20. Exactly
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:21 AM
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15. Thread title could also refer to the US and their dismantlement of it
Rather than cede power, I would expect them to be thinking the same thing about the United States at home.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:19 PM
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17. That wasn't how it was meant, but I think most here would agree with you.
Some here (me included) might even say it's already true. :evilfrown:
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:23 AM
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16. Yeah--for US!
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:20 PM
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18. I hear Saddam's looking for a job. nt
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 04:50 AM
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19. kick n/t
:kick:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 06:53 AM
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22. There you have the main reason for the Iraqi Insurgency.
Most Iraqis knew that the US/UK would try to colonize Iraq. The Brits did so for 30 years but they did it smarter.
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