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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:13 PM
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Poll question: Do you know any "holier than thou" 'moderates'?
The kind of person who will insist that they are a 'moderate' and that's the best place to be politically, while spouting off far right (or far left) opinions, and anyone who disagrees with them is a loony lefty (or wingnut righty, as the case may be)?

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:15 PM
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1. I've read plenty of editorials like that, but don't recall personal
...interaction with someone like that.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:17 PM
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2. Yes, people trying to be exceptional, all the time terrified they are
...not even average
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:17 PM
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3. One got the cookie this week.
I don't have the misfortune of knowing any in person, no.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:21 PM
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6. Got the cookie? What does that mean?
NT
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:22 PM
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8. Tombstoned. nt
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:23 PM
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9. But if you were to call him a "rightist" you'd be shown the door, yet
hate speech like "leftist" "far left" and "loony left" are more common on this progressive website than anti-* posts.


:idea:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:30 PM
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11. I know the admins don't like to hear it
but this place has definitely become more centrist in the time I've been here as a lurker and then a poster.

I wouldn't say that "leftist" is hate speech though. It depends on intention. I would call myself a leftist proudly, I figure it puts me in damn good company politically.

Now when some people say leftist (and it's usually the people who mean to imply anyone to the left of Holy Joe is a raging socialist) they say it with venom, and thier intent is clearly hate speech. The problem is thier attitude and not the term itself, IMO.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:52 PM
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16. If you're thinking of who I'm thinking of...
that person wasn't a moderate. He was on the whole quite conservative.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:15 PM
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21. But he likely saw himself as sitting on the moderate bench.Updated at 11:51 PM
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:32 PM
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22. Man you guys have your own language!
;)
what/who you talking about old timers :)?
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:35 PM
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23. You need an official DU codebreaker ring.Updated at 11:51 PM
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 11:40 PM by A-Schwarzenegger
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:43 PM
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25. :(
:(
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:36 PM
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42. Hi Nam. Hopefully I'll Be Helpful. I Believe They Are Referencing A
poster that went by the name overseas visitor, who was banned this past week. (i.e. tombstoned)

I'm not positive that's who they're talking about, but it seems likely.

:hi:
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:07 AM
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46. Aha gotcha! Thanks!
:hi:

:toast:
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:46 AM
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50. I don't think so actually
Someone else got benched in that time period as well, a far more infamous "moderate" gentleman.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:23 PM
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52. i was wondering when he would go ...
he definitely fit the OP's description.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:21 AM
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35. Shazzam!!
:toast:
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Kiouni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:21 PM
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4. these people are ambiguous though
they change sides depending who's around!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:21 PM
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5. shoulda said "green party members" - lol!
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:22 PM
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7. I moderately can't stand them and ignore them with a certain mildness.Updated at 11:51 PM
They should be driven out of the party. They give
us radicals a bad name. But not too far out of
the party because sometimes I get too extreme and
need them to moderate me. They are nice and like to
eat nice food and all that.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:06 PM
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20. Mefinds that mildly moderately bemusing and yet these polls confusing
I never see the defining, only hear these terms in the whining :boring: and all that
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:29 PM
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10. I just like to point my finger at people and mock them for their choices.
.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:31 PM
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12. (shrug) mockery/shaming is a common behavior-modification tool...
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:32 PM
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13. I hate mimes. - n/t
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:49 PM
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14. No matter how lunatic their views, fringers will always consider
themselves to be moderates. They get away with it by associating with other like minded fringers, convincing each other that they're some sort of majority.

Hell, look at the DLC, clearly out of step with the party's working class base, still calling themselves moderate.

When somebody calls himself a moderate, I have to wonder just how nuts they really are.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:55 PM
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17. Driving right into the sign post lol




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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:52 PM
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15. Damn near all of 'em are, no?
The very pretention to being a "moderate" is holier-than-thou by definition.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:55 PM
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18. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:03 PM
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19. Would you like a cookie?
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:40 PM
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24. for some so-called "moderates - "moderate" is a euphemism for forever war
they seem to be operating under some delusion that the America people want to wage endless war in the Middle East as if slaughtering a lot more Arab and Muslim people will make American more secure. This stuff is downright loony and it is a fringe extremist opinion. These forever-war wacko-doodles think they are mainstream and everyone else is fringe. I wonder who they are talking to????? :crazy:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:21 AM
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26. Maybe they catapult talking points and aren't talking "to" anyone
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:27 AM
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27. i'm beginning to wonder if 'moderates' believe in anything at all.
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 04:33 AM by KG
they profess to be all for progess and change until it looks like they might have to do more than write checks, that they might to sacrifice their good food and other comforts.

:eyes:
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:36 AM
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28. Here's a little something on HOLY JOE
Here's my latest work all about Joe LIEberman's ridiculous run as a "Party of One", which reminds me of "Army of One" (which gives ME a mental image of a guy stuck under fire in a foxhole, looking around and saying, "WHERE the hell IS EVERYBODY!!") :) -- Makes about as much sense in a marketing vein. Party of One, Translates into "Party of NONE" when it involved LIEberman, might as well be saying, "Party of ME", eh?

This flash also incorporates the fact that the Terror Lockdown on Liquids, etc came so close on the heels of Joe's Smackdown by Lamont as to not be considered credible - even today they are confirming that people will walk FREE because they don't have the evidence to hold them, let alone that there were NO Explosives in their possession, they hadn't even made reservations, etc, etc..

Meanwhile they talk about charging a PREGNANT woman for having some water, and a face wipe - this flash addresses those concerns as well, the fact that WE are being used as PUPPETS in a The Politics of Terror.

Remember, a republican said they'd ride this last nonThreat all the way into November. Let's prove them wrong.. Let's VOTE for Lamont, as we all know this last Primary was a referendum on Bush and his faked "war". The Nerve of LIEberman to shit all over the Democrats. It's like using a girlfriend to get you through medical school and then snatching up the Trophy Wife once you've graduated. How can we ever trust this Puppet again?

One of my best Flash works ever, and to the Tune of "Masters of War" by Mr Bob Dylan, and no truer words were spoken in our time.

Have a look at:

http://web.takebackthemedia.com/geeklog/public_html/sta...

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:09 AM
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32. very good
Computer chip fairytale cabin, "the house built by republicans". Spooky.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:38 AM
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29. I don't know about moderates but those moderators . . . .
can't get within ten feet of a sex thread.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 06:54 AM
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30. lol well i think
i think if someone attacks either extreme with verbal assaults isnt a moderate ... so ...


i really wish we'd get over poking at moderates around here. cant we all just get along ?
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:05 AM
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31. "I don't vote on party lines"
Usually uttered by someone who doesn't vote at all. Or who thinks McCain is a moderate. :grr:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:36 AM
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33. Bullshit.
I don't vote on party lines. I prefer to vote Democratic, as I am a Democrat, but I vote my conscience and the issues first. Hopefully, the Democratic Party is there with me.

I spent 30 years as an independent voter. I've never "not voted," and never given a vote to McCain, and I don't think he's a "moderate." I've given votes to "Rs;" not instead of Democrats, but because, living in a republican area, they are often the only choice on the ballot for local elections, and I always vote.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 02:43 PM
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36. Well, I wasn't talking about you
My observation is actually based on doing quite a bit of canvassing using voter lists that indicate how often a person votes. The people we call low efficacy, meaning they rarely vote in any but general presidential elections are the ones who describe themselves in the manner of the OP.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 06:39 PM
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39. That was me.
I spent 30 years as an independent, therefore only voting in general elections, and that does not describe me at all. It also doesn't describe any of the independents I still communicate and work with, who also only vote in general elections, or the large number of non-voters I communicate with regularly.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:25 PM
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40. Independents in my state can vote in primaries
Have been able to since 1994. I was not just referring to Independents, though. There are numerous Dems and Republicans who rarely vote but feel free to inveigh against icky partisan politics.

And I was one of them too. I didn't vote for a long time and refused to identify with either party. 'Cuz they were both corrupt, ya know. Well look where that attitude has gotten us now. I learned my lesson and hope others will. The Reich Wing didn't succeed without the collusion of so-called "moderates" and "independents" who voted their way.

This isn't about your ego. If you want validation, go to Oprah's site.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:32 PM
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41. The ubiquitous
".....maybe you should to to <some other> site."

:eyes:

What isn't about whose ego? :wtf:

You were making a point about what political direction non-voters, and reluctant voters, lean and how to attract them. Your point does not reflect my experience, and I don't believe it reflects many reluctant participants. Ego has nothing to do with it.

Both parties are corrupt. That's true. I know a group of young men who don't vote because of that. They don't care which party ends up in power, as they see both as unredeemably corrupt. They figure that the U.S. empire will decay slowly or quickly, depending on your historical perspective and whether or not revolution has a hand in that, and be replaced by something else new and fresh. Which will be replaced by something else down the road as cycle begins again. They don't see their vote as making any difference in this process at all. It's been my mission to lure them, one at a time, to the voting booth. In reality, it shouldn't matter how they vote, as long as they vote. In practicality, if I want them to vote for a Democrat, that Democrat better have something to offer outside the beltway corruption.

I don't need anyone to "validate" that work; I'm satisfied with it. I also don't need permission to disagree, or to state my disagreement with various statements posted here.

For the record, I have never seen Oprah's show. I don't do talk shows.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:05 PM
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44. ....and the ubiquitous
Universal Applicability of My Own Experience and That of A Handful of Other People I Know. :eyes:

Trust me, most non-voters and low efficacy so-called moderates who cast ballots for RW fascist thugs like McCain because they think he's some cool maverick are not committed to any kind of idealism as are the examples you cite. I'm talking apples; you're talking oranges. I'm not saying such people don't exist, just that there aren't that many and most people who plead the "I don't like partisan politics" bit are just trying to hide their ignorance of the issues. There's no shame in that and it's our job as activists to educate and inform them.

As for luring people to vote but not caring for whom.... :wtf:

Come to think of it, I really don't know what your overall point is anyway.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:56 AM
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51. Then I'll quit trying to make it. n/t
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:32 AM
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34. You left off the "I am one" option.

Moderation is far more a matter of approach than of policies. Polly Toynbee is a fairly far-left moderate; Tony Blair is a centre-left fanatic; I have far more time for the former than the latter.

Broadly speaking, if you pride yourself on your willingness to compromise you're a moderate, if you pride yourself on your unwillingness to do so you're an extremist, I would say. Most practical political good is achieved by the former sort of people, rather than the latter, and nearly all reliable political commentary comes from them.

Aneurin Bevan, the man who established the NHS here in Britain, did it by "stuffing the doctors mouths with gold".

By all means hold far-left political opinions, but advance them moderately.

Barry Goldwater famously said "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." I disagree with this strongly: the goal should be to pursue justice *effectively*, and in practice that usually means doing so moderately.

It's better to *do* good than to *be* right. I have very little time indeed for gesture politics or gesture politicians.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 02:47 PM
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37. I know plenty of "More Leftist than Thou" types
"What you don't believe in MIHOP? Do you believe everything the Bush Administration tells you?"

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 02:48 PM
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38. Sure.
"Those leftists radicals scare me just as much as the ones on the right."
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:13 AM
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49. yep, i see that line a lot
gawd that makes me roll my eyes :eyes:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:55 PM
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43. Oh Definitely. They Aren't Nearly As Irritating As The Extremist
lefty's and righties, as the extremist zealots are always the most irritating in any crowd (lord knows the righties are farrrr more irritating though), but the holier than thou moderates can be a bit annoying too. They're just easier to ignore than the extremist ends of the wings though. I think maybe that's because holier than thou moderates tend to come off more as clueless or in need of further research, whereas the extremists seem to just come off as total closed minded psychos with serious emptiness issues.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 11:11 PM
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45. What you refer to as "serious emptiness issues"
Often is due to clinical paranoia mixed with clinical depression. It's saddening that our health care system ignores mental illness.
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557188 Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:40 AM
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47. In America
Everyone is a middle class independent moderate.

Too bad hardly anyone in America actually has any serious college level political education to realize how absurd they are.

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:12 AM
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48. Yes, I run into a few here often
And since I didn't name the Holier than Thou lefties, I won't name these guys either.

But you know who you are.
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