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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:43 PM
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It's November 2008...McCain v Clinton
....and let's for the sake of argument say Nader throws his hat in the ring as a spoiler again. Who are you going to vote for? Just those three.....no one else is left. What are you going to do? Why?

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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:45 PM
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1. I'd vote for my cat before I'd vote Repub or Nader.
And my cat's dead.

So it doesn't mean much that I'd vote for Clinton. But I would.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:46 PM
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2. Nader will be 74 in 2008; a bit late for him?
In answer, Clinton, obviously, but I won't get to vote as I am not an American.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:48 PM
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3. CLINTON........
the DEMOCRAT, there are NO OTHER CHOICES
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:48 PM
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4. HIllary
But I do not think she will be running against McCain. It will be St. Rudy of 9/11. He is their trump card.

Do not underestimate the man. No what what he says. He is arrogant and power hungry.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:49 PM
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5. Hillary
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 05:49 PM by Bluzmann57
easy choice. She may not be perfect in the eyes of some, but she's a helluva lot better than any more repub rulers.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:49 PM
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6. No disrespect meant, but isn't it pretty obvious? This is Democratic
Underground, no?

I'm pretty sure you won't get anyone to come right out and say they would vote republican no matter who the candidate is going to be.
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:54 PM
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7. I beg to differ.......
I just saw posters on LBN state they would NEVER vote for Hillary and I have seen posters here say that here and say it often.... I want to see where everyone stands the issue. It's very likely it could come down to a similar scenario.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:57 PM
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11. Sorry. But if a poster here advocates for a republican versus a
democrat, that is grounds for banning. You should hit alert if you see that.

Advocating for various dems in the primaries is of course allowed, but advocating AGAINST a democratic candidate in favor of a candidate from another party isn't.
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:01 PM
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13. They haven't said they would vote for a Republican...
Only said they would NEVER vote for Hillary. I'm just trying to get across that there may come a time when we will need every single vote to get a Democrat put back in the WH.

There's not a contender for the Democratic nomination that I can think of that I wouldn't vote for once the election of 2008 comes upon us. My whole point is to hammer this home.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:07 PM
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16. My point is. Your choices are McCain or Clinton.
So, obviously, if you are here at DU, you would choose Clinton. Anyone that would choose McCain over her didn't read the rules of this board.
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:16 PM
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21. Then they are breaking the rules....
And this isn't real.....it's hypothetical.....so technically I am not sure any rules have been broken....except hypothetically.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:06 PM
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44. Bingo
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:54 PM
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8. Um...gee...
Clinton...

That's not a tough decision at all. Despite being portrayed as a moderate by the "librul media", McCain is a right-wing nut in more ways than four. And Nader is just a jackass. Hillary Clinton, though not my primary pick, would be far more acceptable than the other choices you've offered here. You could at least try to challenge us here...
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:57 PM
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10. I am challenging you....
By limiting your choices. I keep seeing people say they will not vote for Hillary. I want someone to say that when & if it comes down to the wire.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:59 PM
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12. OK, how about a match between Hillary and Hagel?
Iwill admit, I happen to think Hillary would make a very good president! I'm not really positive he SHE wants to go through what it would take to get there, and what sshe would have to endurewhile in office, but I like most of what she does. I would NEVEr vote for a PUB, butChuck Hagle is not a bad guy either, and I think he has a better chance than McCain.
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:03 PM
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14. Nope......
You can start your own post and pick your nominees there. Only Hillary, McCain & Nader allowed here...although I just threw Nader in for variety.
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CelticWinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:56 PM
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9. Im a democrat so
it would have to be Hillary though I dont care for her, but if she runs I must pick the best of all evils.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:07 PM
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:14 PM
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19. So you would vote Republican then?
Despite what they have done to this country the past 6 years?
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:23 PM
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25. As I said, I might not vote.
Democrats shouldn't assume that they have my vote, even though I despise what's happened under *. Clinton/Gore, Clinton/Edwards, Clinton/ Clark might get my vote, but I see no need to nominate Hillary. It is a death wish almost ensuring a repub victory (IMHO).

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:23 PM
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:51 PM
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55. DU, love it or leave it?
I'll decide where I belong, and for whom I vote.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:19 PM
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57. You might want to read the rules. Support for candidates other
than Democrats isn't allowed here.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:09 PM
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45. Advocating voting for McCain is breaking DU rules
Neutralunderground.com might interest you.

I'm not being nasty, I'm serious. You state you would vote for McCain if you voted. That is against DU rules, as far as I'm aware.
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:05 PM
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56. Thanks for the information
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 09:06 PM by godai
I thought you might be kidding about neutralunderground.com but, it does exist. I'm wondering why the original question was asked, if McCain was an unacceptable answer. Trick question?

I'll guarantee a vote for Webb in VA but not for every possible Democrat that might be nominated for the rest of my life! If that's not good enough for DU, then sayonara.

The blind support by repubs for * is why we are in the current mess. I'd suggest no one blindly pledge their vote.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:21 PM
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58. You're right. Advocating for a candidate other than the democrat
is a violation of DU rules and grounds for termination of the account.
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Totallybushed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:09 PM
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17. Can't play, sorry.
I can't stretch my mind around the concept that the Republicans will ever nominate McCain, and I'm having some trouble groking the concept that Hillary might get the Democratic nomination. Although, she is a hugely wily politician and may be able to pull it off.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:11 PM
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18. This is the "Democratic" Underground
We all will be in lock step voting for the Democrat. If that is Hillary, we will hold our noses and vote for her. It's that simple.
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:15 PM
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20. No it's not...
We already have one vote for McCain on this thread.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:18 PM
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22. If he/she is voting for McCain
Than he/she should go to a new forum. We support Democrats here.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:09 PM
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46. Then the poster is breaking DU rules
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:15 AM
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60. We??
Please don't speak for me.

I will vote for Hillary, with NO nose holding.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:19 PM
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23. Not sure which is more unlikely, Clinton getting the nod from the
Democrats, or Mc Cain getting it from the Re :puke:s.

Anyway, prior to 2000 I would've leaned toward Mc Cain, now I'd have to go with HRC, although I'd have to rush home and shower afterward.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:20 PM
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24. I will vote for the Democrat. (n/t)
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:32 PM
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26. it's a real dilemma, ain't it?
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 06:37 PM by GreenArrow
Democratic Corporatist versus Republican Corporatist/egoist. I would N-E-V-E-R vote for McCain, one of the most venal, self-serving, and disingenuous figures in modern American politics. If I would vote for Clinton, it would not be because of her politics or party affiliation, but simply because of her sex. Of course, that's not an especially good reason to vote for her, and her IWR vote among others weighs heavily against her; I'm not inclined to vote for anyone who supported that.

All things considered, I'd most likely vote third party or sit things out. As a red stater, it's not likely to make any difference anyway.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:34 PM
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27. The Democrat. nt
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:35 PM
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28. This is idiotic. And McCain would win
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:47 PM
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29. This Is So NOT! Given the Climate of Politics Today....
This does NOT WORK FOR ME! I find these choices repugnant! My wish is for something SO MUCH BETTER!

I'm not a Hillary fan, WON'T vote Repuke... and Nader while he has been an activist for people actually has made things so much worse by injecting himself into Presidential politics! A good man, who has fought a good fight regarding many divergent issues, IMHO should NEVER have run for political office! And to think that he would even be a "contender" is ridiculous to me.

Isn't he OLDER than McCain?? This scenario scares me, but I doubt it will present itself. Even though McCain has had his "moderate" views presented from time to time, he also is getting on in years! Plus, when all is said and done, he's actually a BUSHIE!! I'm not sure exactly how old he is, but I think he will be older in '08 than Reagan was!

Both parties need NEW Young Blood! Strangely, I think Democrats have MORE young blood than Repukes! Guiliani is viable, but will Repukes flop that way??

Even while MSM and Repukes push Hillary on us, I think that by '08 she's not going to be all that popular. I once felt Hillary could be the FIRST Woman President, now she is so far down on my list that it's hard for me to get too excited. I consider myself a Democrat, and can only WISH that in time we "see the light" and get serious about ISSUES! Get serious and aggressive about what REALLY matters. I don't like the game she's playing trying to appeal to "Independents" by siding with too many Repukes. For me, it has to get MUCH better than her!

I'm sick of MONEY making all the decisions, and yes I do realize that this is what it has come down to. I seriously think that if things don't change from that status quo, I actually want to move to Costa Rica or some other place that doesn't have to put up with this crap!!!

This IS NOT an America I know!!! Folks, there comes a time when even America can lose.. we are no longer the POWER we once were!! Look around, South American countries are getting so much stronger and uniting together. China has immense power, and the "terrorists" aren't going away either. They seem only to be getting stronger, and America is only poking a stick in a fire ant bed!

These past ten years of American History have been devastating to a once great country and it's going to take so much more to regain our status as a Super Power than most Americans are willing to admit to. Just saying we are a Super Power, doesn't make it a fact!!

There is a possibility I'm wrong, but from what I'm seeing... too many other countries are beginning to look upon us as a "paper tiger" of sorts. Politicians ALWAYS talk about how we need "change" and they are correct, but are we going to get it??













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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:47 PM
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30. Dream on. What will be funny is when the two who have the most
expectation to win, don't get the nomination.
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:49 PM
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33. It's not my dream...
It's merely a scenario. A hypothetical question. For the record, Hillary is not my first choice in candidates either, but suits the purpose of the question posed.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:47 PM
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53. Sorry, I didn't mean you. I was intending it to the people who want to
see that match up. Just in general, the idea of it, not you specifically.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:47 PM
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31. McCain vs. Clark, Clark wins!
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:49 PM
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32. What an idiotic post! For one thing it won't be Hillary Clinton, but
by chance if it is, I think I'll just stay home!
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:51 PM
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34. If the post is so stupid....
Why did you even bother to waste your time answering?
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:55 PM
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35. With hopes you'll understand the majority of us want a real democrat
to run in 2008!
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:01 PM
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36. You are assuming
...things not in question. Did I say Hillary was my Democratic choice? If you must know, the purpose of the OP is to see if Democrats (especially progressives) are ready to compromise if necessary to take back America from the Republicans.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:05 PM
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39. Take back America from the Republicans with Hillary? LOL
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:08 PM
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41. Yup.........
If it comes down to it. Would you vote for her? If she was the nominee?

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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:49 PM
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43. As I said before, I would probably stay home.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:03 PM
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37. you're suggesting this is some kind of dilemma
I call BULLSHIT!

Hillary is miles away from McCain.
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:06 PM
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40. It's not Bullshit.......
What is bullshit is me seeing posters at DU saying they would vote for McCain over Hillary. Or saying they would sit out and not vote if she was the nominee. That to me is total Bullshit.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:12 PM
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48. I'd write in another Democratic candidate.
Hillary would lose my state by 20 percent with or without my vote, so it really wouldn't matter.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:11 PM
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47. Agreed n/t
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:04 PM
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38. There was a time when
I might have considered McCain but he got touchy feely with the fundies among other things and that was that.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:48 PM
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42. Sorry to offend ... Clinton, McCain, Nader are boring and predicatble with
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 07:51 PM by higher class
no promise of saving the country - for me.

Quick - what comes into your head when you think about these candidates and their position on just two of the issues we are faced with - relations with Muslims and corporate ties.

I just think no progress and more of the same. But, with an pverdose of thetoric.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:13 PM
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49. No, it's August 2006, and there's a congressional election.
That said, I would vote for Clinton because of her comparatively better policy.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:15 PM
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50. Not for McCain or Clinton.
GOP or DLC? I'll be looking elsewhere.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:15 PM
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51. Stay Home For The First Election In My Life
And start reading the travel brochures for distant lands ...
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:51 PM
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54. Well, that's obvious: I'd vote for Clinton, and be proud to do it...
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 09:04 PM by T Town Jake
...just like I did in '92 & '96 for another Democratic nominee named Clinton.

But I'll be very interested to see how many of our "pure progressives" around here howl and complain in such an instance - and how many (like Lincoln, Zhade, KoKo, etc.) turn out to be the closet FResno fans many of us suspect they certainly are...

On edit: spelling, "close" to "closet" - though either is accurate, in a sense.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:08 AM
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59. I stay home
(or actually just leave that part of the ballot blank) None of those choices are the least bit appealing to me. I'll add, I would stay home for very few Democrats, but living in Nebraska, what difference does it really make?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:16 AM
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61. I refuse to live in that world until I have to thanks
Because sadly I think McCain will probably kick the shit out of Clinton. We need a stronger candidate.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:23 AM
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62. none of the above
I wouldn't vote for Nader, and there's so little difference between the other two, in terms of the effect their policies would have on the country, it wouldn't even be worth getting out of my house to "vote."
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:51 AM
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63. I'd vote for Hillary knowing she has no chance.
If anyone could be the poster child for the 90s rise of human garbage like Rush its Hillary. She was demonized along with Bill 24/7, there is so much hate for her. The woman is so polarizing she would energize and bring back those who are disgruntled with the RW like no other. A sure way to loose the election.
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