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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:04 PM
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Why should America have to endure two more years of this President?
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 05:19 PM by kentuck
If Nixon had to resign, surely this President would qualify for equal treatment? Why should our nation be punished even further by the arrogant and criminal actions of one man - one weak, immoral man? Shouldn't he first be asked to politely step down? Resign and save himself and everyone else the embarrassment of impeachment. Do we, as a nation, have enough good will and strength in reserve to survive two more years? He has intentionally divided this nation for political gain. That is unforgivable.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:07 PM
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1. The only reason I can think of is Cheney
Cheney is the only thing standing in their way of muscling him out, I believe that Bush will negotiate some sort of immunity deal for them before anyone looks for the exit signs.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:12 PM
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3. Presumably any way for Shrub to go down would involve taking Dick
Burr with him. That brings us to Dennis "Why rebuild New Orleans?" Hastert if we can't get the house back.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:19 PM
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7. Hastert should not be in the running
remember he has been tainted by Sibel Edmonds testimony which was sealed but should be still
valid. I have heard a rumor on the tin foil blogs that I drift through that DeLay is singing
his heart out to investigators, I hope so.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:24 PM
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14. So we wait til Pelosi or somebody from OUR side gets the gavel
after November, when we've taken back the House.

Having cheney ascend to the Oval Office after bush doesn't bother me at all. And CERTAINLY not enough to make me balk at putting bush through an IMPEACHMENT!!! CERTAINLY NOT!!!

It absolutely, positively, utterly, and undeniably HAS to be done. There HAS to be accountability. America, at large, and everyone in his party and among his apologists and excuse-makers and handwriters HAS to be forced to face the idea that our "leaders" ARE INDEED accountable for their actions and their misdeeds. You don't just have ONE "accountability moment" every four years, if you're president. If YOU are on the public's tab, if the taxpayers are paying YOUR salary, every moment you draw breath in those offices is a moment of accountability. You are accountable for EVERYTHING you do, EVERYTHING you say, EVERY move you make on the public's dime. EVERY scrap of it. To let this bastard skate, cheney or no cheney, is unconstitutional, un-American, unpatriotic, unlawful, unreasonable, and illegitimate. It's a frickin' SIN. The more important overriding point is to demonstrate to everyone in this country that you do NOT commit this level of lawbreaking and flouting the Constitution you SWORE to preserve, protect and defend, without suffering consequences. THERE ARE NO HEREDITARY KINGS in America. The good judge in Detroit just pointed that out. That's something far too many people in this country, at every level, in and out of government, have forgotten or ignored. And it needs to be brought back out to the fore again, and FACED. If not, the lessons we are, in fact, teaching to ourselves, our reps, our countrymen/women and our kids, are lessons I don't think we'd be proud of, or to which we'd want our names attached. If Thomas Jefferson or Thomas Paine or Sam Addams or George Washington or Ben Franklin were standing there to meet us at the Pearly Gates, I don't think we'd be able to face them with clean consciences if we let this bastard skate.

Furthermore, having cheney ascend to the presidency would imply that bush would NOT ONLY have been IMPEACHED, but then would have been convicted in the subsequent IMPEACHMENT TRIAL in the Senate - which would mean removal from office. Frankly, if we take back the House of Reps and NOT also the Senate, I don't think we'll be successful in getting that far. But so be it.

I'd be happy with it going even just that far. I'd be DELIGHTED, as a matter of fact. It might be the best of all worlds.

Okay, fine, so bush is IMPEACHED but remains in office. Nothing can remove that IMPEACHMENT mark from his record in history. Just as Clinton is also saddled with that, even while coming more and more to be widely regarded as a great president, bush will have that mark on his record forever. That's almost good enough for me. It's something he'll be forced to wear like a scarlet letter, for the rest of his life, especially when there will still be as many of us reminding him and his friends of that - as there are hounding Clinton to this day. I, in fact, would like to be one of those relentless hounders, since I believe in the tit-for-tat, taste-of-their-own-medicine strategy of political warfare with opponents of his ilk. The overall damage will be done bloodlessly, and would prevent all other complications we don't want, would rather not deal with, and whose ultimate results we can't predict or control.

And, okay, fine, bush surviving would mean cheney's still here. But he'd be boxed in, either way. Strategically, he's in the hot seat more and more, anyway. But, simply because any and all coverage of a bush impeachment trial would be wall-to-wall, 24/7, so vast and many-tentacled, it would invite lots of companion coverage and discussion of a bush removal and cheney ascension and What It All Means. There'd be political turmoil on top of political turmoil - the bush predicament by itself and the bush predicament as it relates to dick cheney. There might even be some Democrats in the Senate who would use this reason - "well, it means we'd have pResident cheney" as a rationale for a vote against a conviction of bush in a Senate trial on the articles of IMPEACHMENT sent to the Senate by the House. I mean, this certainly is a powerful enough concern to dominate the reasoning of a lot of informed, thoughtful DUers even just here! I suspect a vote against conviction is what would happen, especially if the GOP retains control in the Senate. Even if it doesn't, a Democratic majority wouldn't be a large one (we have to win more than six seats - only a few of those considered definitely winnable). A narrow Dem majority probably wouldn't have much of a backbone and would be busy trying to figure out a way to "work together with" the recently shamed and voter-repudiated republi-CONS. And considering the personalities and psyches of many possible GOP survivors, it's just as likely that those same recently shamed and voter-repudiated republi-CONS may be more interested in revenge and how soon they can screw the Democratic victors out of their hard-won victory. I mean, how many of these guys do you REALLY expect to be good losers? How many more Sore Losermans do we have in there? Probably a few, and maybe more than a few. I'd expect as many, if not more, if they lose the Senate, to be in an angry mood, not a mood to accept the change with dignity and really try to learn and grow from it. I doubt they'd be in a mood to "work together with" our new majority, anyway.

If cheney DOES inherit the presidency, he inherits all the problems from a position of discomfort. He will be out of his comfort zone. The place that sneak-ass old shit likes best is in the shadows, behind the curtains, where nobody can see what he's up to, and people are mostly focused on bush and all his fuck-ups so they don't always get around to talking about him, anyway. He prefers NOT being on center stage in the heat of the spotlight. This is precisely where ascending to the presidency would stick him. And he'd get a lot more of the scrutiny he hates. On top of that, the psychological and painfully public blow of a bush IMPEACHMENT/conviction/removal would be emotionally debilitating for the republi-CONS. Completely devastating. You wanna talk about a party in chaos? OY! THAT would be a huge part of the overall news coverage. It would throw them so off their guard they'd be either floundering and thrashing and doing so much damage as they could just to show us all where we can stick it for daring to throw them out of power, or they could huddle up in useless little lumps and cry in their beer until the next presidential election. At any rate, I think it'd be deliciously sweet revenge to put this shadow-fiend out in the harsh lights where he least wants to be.

I doubt it'll get this far. I think bush will survive. But I think he'll survive wounded - with an IMPEACHMENT on his record. Even that is enough to demoralize the GOP. They've been strutting around like cocky bullies for too many years now, and how's it working out for ya, America? Perhaps a little mortification of this troublesome crowd is good for the soul.

I just think it's absolutely essential that bush be held accountable - to this extreme. It's come to that - mainly because he's forced the issue. He's pushed it here by flatly and arrogantly pushing it here by his greedy,illegal, and unconstitutional grabs for power. So extreme responses such as IMPEACHMENT in the House of Reps are a MOST worthy pursuit.

And if, in either way, we have a republi-CON party thoroughly disgraced and demoralized, so much the better for our candidate in '08, and a wholesale rehabilitation of this government gone so badly and tragically off-course.

Shit - sorry this is so long. I guess I just get carried away... Love you guys!
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:54 PM
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18. I think he should be impeached
or removed from office for health reasons or resign. I think that he is a loose cannon and
I do not believe that he was legitimately elected president. And I think that it is a shame
that everyone in 2020 will know this and talk about what we didn't do now.
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:10 PM
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2. Nixon resigned only in the face of imminent impeachment.
At the time, there were Republican members of Congress who were willing to say "enough" to Nixon's criminal wrongdoing, even though he was a president from their own party. Barry Goldwater was the one who explained that state of affairs to Nixon.

Today, the Republicans in Congress are shameless, and the Democrats mostly are unwilling to speak up. Maybe the atmosphere will change if the Democrats sweep both houses in the coming elections. If the GOP retains Congress, Bush won't only be solidly in office, but brazened by another successful election, and by the lack of any concern for reelection.

So get out the vote.

:hippie:
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:12 PM
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4. And don't forget the vice president, Dick Cheney, he is far more....
...dangerous than even Dubya. And the speaker of the house House-turd needs to be taken out as well. Hell the whole neocon cabal has to be neutralized
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focusfan Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:20 PM
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8. if only we could impeach the sorry s.o.b
i wish some way or another we could have Bush throwed out of
office:evilgrin: 
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:23 PM
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10. Hello Ky girl !
Originally from Pineville. :) Do you go to Union?
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:33 PM
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15. Welcome to DU
FocusFan!
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:13 PM
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5. Yes He Should, But No One Can Make Him
And he certainly isn't going to do it on his own.

So that leaves impeachment.
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MoseyWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:17 PM
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6. I can't allow my hopes to get up the way they did in '04
but if things happen the way they should, his days as pretend chief are numbered. If the dems take the House, that's all it will take. Start the proceedings and slow this bat out of hell train headed for certain destruction down.

Please.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:20 PM
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9. The results of the November elections will determine what......
can or cannot be done. I don't believe this country can endure one more day under this corrupt regime, but so much damage has already been done, it is now only a matter of degrees.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:23 PM
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11. " He has intentionally divided this nation for political gain."
Bu$h has intentionally divided this nation and led it into a war-of-choice, to not only enrich himself and his cronies, but to also systematically loot the Treasury of the United States. To facilitate his purpose, he has not only lied, but also broken laws of the land and international conventions.
Bu$h has not only committed treason, but he has committed domestic crimes, some of which carry the penalty of impeachment and, possibly, criminal trial. Internationally, he is guilt of at least three of the four indictments read to the Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg:

1. Conspiracy to commit crimes against peace.
2. Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression.
3. War-Crimes.
4. Crimes against humanity.

Two more years? No way.

:thumbsdown:








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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:36 PM
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12. I've Been Askin Myself the Same Question
How can his party not be telling him to resign. What can we do to show this moron is not above the law. Can he be indicted without being impeached? It would seem to me that with indictment being legal, we could circumvent the congress. There has to be something to save us from two more years.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:39 PM
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13. Cheney and Bush and the rest of the gang
should all be forced to resign. But unless we the people demand it, instead of making excuses, it ain't gonna happen.

The country is in the hands of evil men who think nothing of breaking the law on a daily basis. It's time for them to go.

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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:39 PM
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16. yes,but we have a Senate and House
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 06:41 PM by DemEtienne
controlled by his Party who refuse to do anything about it and unless and until the Democrats take control of one or the other branches ntohing is going to be done.

I don't even think if Dems take control in Novemeber anything will be done.What can be done??He's committed crime after crime after crime- where would we even start to investigate this man and his cronies?


I swear to God it's like the twilight zone in this country now.Our Government is corrupt through and through and NOTHING is being done about it!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:49 PM
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17. What should the Democrats do...?
If they take back the House and Senate? Should they call for investigations? Should they demand immediate oversight on all programs, otherwise, start impeachment hearings? What should they do?
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:59 PM
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19. I think immediate impeachment hearings
and before someone categorizes me as a lefty nutjob, I would like to say that I heard one of
Bush M.E. advisors from the AEI say that he thinks Bush will nuke Iran in 12-18 months. Now,
for a President to consider nuking Iran when the Pentagon and everyone else has pointed out
that it is not feasible and he and Cheney press ahead. They listen to no oversight from the
Congress or the wishes of the American people. So exactly who is the extremist here. Someone
that wants a country based on laws and the constitution or someone who wants to nuke Iran.
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