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Fountain79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 02:46 PM Original message |
What is white???(race) |
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Fountain79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
1. Personal example... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 02:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I half hispanic because of my Chilean mother, but |
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Akim (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 02:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Hispanics can be white, too (it depends how close they are to Spain). n/t |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 03:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Uhm, that wasn't my point. |
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Akim (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. There is no such thing as "ethnic purity" except for the Basques... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Not even them. They too are mixed way back in time. |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 07:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
65. The Basques aren't "ethnically pure" at all |
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Akim (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 03:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. There are also the "Black Irish" (descendents of Spanish sailors cast... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. And so my husband was, very handsome. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 05:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
90. And the pigshit Irish are pink with frecks. |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. HIspanic is an enthnicity, not a race |
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Akim (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. You are absolutely right. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 06:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
53. It's not even that. It's a label the census department put |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. I can tell you even fifty years ago, Italian wasn't quite |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
3. I checked with Mirriam- Webster online. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. There is no white race. There is low melanin to absorb more Vit D |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Thank you. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. No, that's not true. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Wow. Just wow. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. There is the 'human race' and there are lizard people who talk about race. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I love you, SwampRat |
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Jensen (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Swamp Rat you are one of the good things I love about DU! |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 02:35 PM Response to Reply #34 |
92. Amen! |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 05:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. The lizard person says hi. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Are you a lizard person? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 05:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Well, I sometimes talk about race, so by your classification I am. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 05:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. "Race" is a social construct/fiction. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. If you're not interested in debate on the subject, |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 06:31 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Posting a reply to a friend on a message board does not imply a desire |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 06:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Race is indeed a social construct. There is a very good issue of Nature |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 06:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Can you give me a link, please? |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. All my links are through the university so are subscription only. Here |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 07:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. OK, I've got some of those, now, thanks. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I think in the case of African Americans, the issue of genetic distance |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 07:28 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. By most categorisations, |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. The problem is the categories aren't constructed genetically they're |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 12:15 PM Response to Reply #62 |
77. Thank you for the links, moc. I haven't thought or read about |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 11:30 AM Response to Reply #41 |
76. Correct. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 02:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
84. races = subspecies = varieties = clusters of variations |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 05:06 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. Is race as strong as subspecies? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 07:49 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. race and subspecies are synonyms, breeds are man-made races |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. No, that's simply wrong. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. If "race" is shared DNA, then there are countless "races", right? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. All race is a function of shared DNA |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. You have it exactly backwards. And, we're not going to agree. n/t |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 07:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
63. FUGGEDABOUTIT, Sfexp |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 06:53 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. That's a) ludicrously stupid, and b) very offensive. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Before you get your knickers in a twist |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. I will apologize for giving you nothing but my opinion -- that was rude. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 01:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. YOU are completely innocent in this exchange, Sweetiekins |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 06:40 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. The vast majority of genetic variation is within races, not between them. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 05:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
42. Good post. Race isn't just a social construct. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Don't let your professors catch you quoting Wikipedia as a source! |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 06:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Race can be a social construct and still give rise to physiological |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 11:24 AM Response to Reply #19 |
75. Sort of proves the point... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #75 |
86. No, that proves that *races* are social constructs, not *race*. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Seems like you're backtracking. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. No, that's what I've been arguing all along. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 02:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
83. According the social constructionism all concepts are constructed. |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 03:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. Admittedly I have not kept up with it, but there used to be three |
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JohnLocke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. No. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
43. You forgot a few |
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Iniquitous Bunny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 03:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
22. I have said something similar. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
74. There are four, and it's caucasoid. |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
7. Zappa put it best |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
10. The only race is the human race, IMO |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Ethnicity is also something that's not very important in |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
12. You don't have to go back 150 years... |
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achtung_circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
13. One of the best illustrations I have heard |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
18. It's easier to think in terms of regions |
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JohnLocke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Great link |
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Kaleidescope Cassie (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Cool link! |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
26. Yet another dying superstition |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 07:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
54. Nice post!**nm |
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Kaleidescope Cassie (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
31. I am pale pink, with freckles. Is that a race? |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Hey, I think I'm a member of that race ... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 07:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
56. Not yet, I think. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 02:23 PM Response to Reply #56 |
82. Donald, Donald, Donald... |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 07:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
60. I am brown-skinned with freckles. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
44. Anyone from Western Eurasian, North African, and Northern South Asian... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
58. The race is Caucasoid, and I think Arabs, Persians and India Indians |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
61. I suppose it depends |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
64. I'm half Yeti, half German |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 08:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Half-Yetis (Yetinsyny) have exactly 13013 genes |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
67. Is Barack Obama black? Or is he white? |
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Akim (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 06:50 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. The Archaic Ante-Bellum Slave Code Formula Still Defines Race in U.S. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 10:41 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Perhaps we should adhere to that nationwide |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
70. Hmmm... People from Iceland??? |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
71. Don't call me white |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
80. In America, it implies an absence of ethnicity |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 02:11 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Thank you, Jed. |
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