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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:03 AM
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Poll question: Do you know any "holier than you" leftists?
Online or off-line? We have a couple of those in our office. Most people in the office are reasonably progressive, yet there are always arguments with these two guys. Usually, the argument starts by one of them basically accusing somebody of not being "pure" enough (the latest argument was that they were deeply insulted and outraged that a "liberal", a bad word in their mind, would dare calling himself a "leftist", see my other thread). What the hell do these guys think they are going to achieve by alienating everybody else? Do you know any people like these, and how do you deal with them?

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:07 AM
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1. Why do you hate the revolution, comrade?
Huh?
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:08 AM
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2. LOL
:) There is no good revolution. Only a mess.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:42 PM
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77. ....
:rofl:
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TheFriedPiper Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:08 AM
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3. O, i thought you meant holy rollers that are also leftists
I just avoid anyone that still believes in religion.

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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:09 AM
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4. Those are a subtype...
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 11:11 AM by survivor999
More generally, those leftists who always think they are morally superior to everybody else (either because of religion or because of unrealistic ethical principles of some sort).
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:17 AM
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10. Let's not forgot the other side of that coin.
Leftists who consider themselves "holier than thou" because of their absence of religious beliefs. Say for example, the sort who boast about avoiding those who do have religious beliefs.
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TheFriedPiper Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:40 AM
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21. or those that constantly attack those that are proud of not
believing in superstitions


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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:49 AM
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25. It's not symmetric.
Rationality allows us to keep our reality going (internet, airplanes, phones, all that). If somebody has a rational argument backed up by research (say, about why certain phenomena occur), that somebody should be listened to. If somebody preaches based on his/her personal BELIEF that things are so and so then why should anybody care?
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:10 AM
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5. Plenty of them online.... n/t
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:12 AM
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6. Holy Cow We Have Plenty Of Them Here.
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 11:12 AM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
But in any big social/political group you are going to have the extremists and zealots. It is best to ignore them, though lord knows sometimes it's an impossibility. :)
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:14 AM
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9. Why do they stick around?
If they think the rest of us are so morally corrupt? Just to preach? I don't get it...
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:18 AM
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13. Because They Have As Much A Right To Be Here As The Rest Of Us.
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 11:19 AM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
We may disagree with them and think their self righteous narrow minded blathering is useless, provocative and annoying, but they still are overall fighting the same fight we are and though they take it to the extreme, are still part of this big tent community as anyone else.

As far as why they enjoy being here, it is my belief that many of the self righteous extremists here enjoy hearing themselves talk, preach and whine. They'd feel empty in existence without the outlet of rage and preachiness. They don't leave because they have an obsessed drive to preach their moral falseness.

It's all good though. At the end of the day it is a small part of what makes DU so entertaining and interesting. :)
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:43 AM
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23. Sure, not saying they have no right to be here!
However, usually, when one doesn't like a party one goes to another party, voluntarily... Unless one wants to creat trouble at the party one dislikes so much. It's just a bit masochistic to stay at a part where one thinks everybody else is morally inferior.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:03 PM
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29. Yeah, I Hear Ya.
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 12:11 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
But if they didn't stay, then they could no longer feel morally superior. And since they need to be able to feel that false superiority in order to mask their true blatant lack of self esteem and self worth they choose to stay. People of that nature are generally so empty inside and have such feelings of worthlessness and loneliness that they must put themselves on a pedestal in order to psychologically deal with their emptiness.

They stay because if they were only in company of equal false smugness, their emptiness would become too apparent once again to them.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:10 PM
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33. Good point!
:)
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:17 AM
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11. I'm Leftier than You! I'm Leftier than You!
Compared to me, All other DUers are to the Right of Cheney!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:40 PM
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76. Yep - there's even one in this thread
he who claims that he is a progressive but is not tolerant enough to respect the opinions of those who have a system of faith.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #76
90. Yes, I noticed that too
Do we have an irony smilie??

"We have a big tent here at DU and respect everyone with the exception of those crazy, stupid, wacko religious freaks." :eyes:
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:52 PM
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101. Ahahahah!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #76
97. Hell, I've Seen More Than One. But I'll Be Nice And Leave It At That.
:)
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:12 AM
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7. KInd of a slanted poll, isn't it.
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 11:13 AM by bowens43
Sounds like a FAUX news poll. No thinks, I'll pass.

Why do you have to spend time here insulting liberals/leftists?
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. Vote NO if you don't know them!
:)
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:04 PM
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30. "Why do you have to spend time here insulting liberals/leftists?"
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 12:07 PM by omega minimo
"Because They Have As Much A Right To Be Here As The Rest Of Us. We may disagree with them and think their self righteous narrow minded blathering is useless, provocative and annoying, but they still are overall fighting the same fight we are and though they take it to the extreme, are still part of this big tent community as anyone else."

"As far as why they enjoy being here, it is my belief that many of the self righteous extremists here enjoy hearing themselves talk, preach and whine. They'd feel empty in existence without the outlet of rage and preachiness. They don't leave because they have an obsessed drive to preach their moral falseness."

"But if they didn't stay, then they could no longer feel morally superior. And since they need to be able to feel that false superiority in order to mask their true blatant lack of self esteem and self worth they choose to stay. People of that nature are generally so empty inside and have such feelings of worthlessness and loneliness that they must put themselves on a pedastal in order to psychologically deal with their emptiness. They stay because if they were only in company of equal false smugness, their emptiness would become too apparent once again to them."
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:14 PM
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36. Nobody mentioned liberals.
The poll is specifically about "holier then you leftists". Not all leftists. Holier then you leftists. Those who routinely insult liberals and the other lefitsts.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:19 PM
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41. Methinks THOU doth protest too much
This poll "routinely insults liberals and the other lefitsts."

One wonders what sort of "unrealistic ethical principles" cause you such a conflict with your coworkers.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:21 PM
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43. What's so funny about peace, love & unrealistic ethical principles?
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:29 PM
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45. Some confused souls believe that
"Shove Makes The World Go Round"

:hi:
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #45
59. And some confused souls are not quite as confused
as they would like to seem. :hi:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:01 PM
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67. erm
:yoiks: :rofl:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:15 PM
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143. I'm for shoving all of the bushitler freaks off the planet.
So... wanna fight? :rofl:
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:31 PM
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47. Oh, problems with TWO coworkers.
They judge me because I make more than they do. Because I have good education. Because I don't recycle every week. Because I own a house in a now gentrified area. What they want is: immediate socialist revolution, with themselves as leaders, followed by a purge that includes all white suburban liberals. Nothing else would work for them. I doubt they'll last that long around here, frankly.
I'm a white liberal, I like good food, I like to be confortable and all that. I also write plenty of checks for progressive causes.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:39 PM
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56. Maybe "and all that" is the problem
:shrug:


"I'm a white liberal, I like good food, I like to be confortable and all that."
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. What could be the problem?
Can you make an example?
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:52 PM
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62. Bringing this divisiveness here is a problem
That's one.

Tell us what you mean by "be comfortable And All That."

Do you find any common ground with these guys in your office? Sounds like you think they're "just jealous."
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:33 PM
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94. And Survivor, You're Every Bit As Much A Democrat As Any Of Em.
Don't let the 'my shit don't stink'ers ever make you think otherwise. After all, the only reason they don't smell their own shit is cause their noses are stuck too high up in the air. :)
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #94
100. Thanks. I was beginning to wonder
whether I shouldn't recycle more often or something :)
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cool user name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:05 PM
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131. They're not real leftists if they are talking about purging ...
those they don't agree with or purging people based on their skin color or class status.

But that's just me.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #47
144. ewww I just love to watch someone pat their own back.
:puke:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #30
98. Though Ya Plagiarized, Thanks For The Acknowledgement Of My Logical Words!
Glad to see you found them wise and accurate enough to pass on. :hi:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:11 PM
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108. They apply well to those who "spend time here insulting liberals/leftists"
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 08:18 PM by omega minimo
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:44 PM
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112. I Know, I Wrote Them. Glad You Agree That They Do Apply Well To Extremist
leftists that spend time here insulting other liberals/leftists, as per the point of the OP to begin with, that go after all other liberals and leftists that don't conform to the falsely perfect impressions of themselves. :hi:

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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #112
118. Question was why OP "spends time here insulting liberals/leftists"
:thumbsdown:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #118
128. Stupid Question. The OP Did No Such Thing, As Can Plainly Be Seen.
But methinks there may be several present within this thread who epitomize the exact extremist, constantly nasty and smug type leftists he had been referencing to begin with. :hi:

No biggie though. Buh Bye.

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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #128
134. OP definitely drew the lowest common denominator
and reinforced divisive stereotypes that enable aggressive and obnoxious behavior on DU.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #134
141. Talk About Melodrama, Sheesh!
The OP asked a simple question, which as you can see many DU'ers were able to answer quite easily. We all do know those extremists that force their holier than thou views on others while making fools of themselves since no one wants to listen to a goddamn word they say anyway.

Yes, we all have experience with them and they sicken many of us and are ignored by many of us. But that isn't a divisive question, it is an honest one. Most of us aren't extremists that shove our false moral superiority down others throats. So I have to ask, Omega, why are you having so much issue with this poll? :rofl:
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:55 PM
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63. Agreed
Sounds like a DLC poll to me. They frequently label leftists as "purists" and "holier than thou".
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:17 AM
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12. Every political sector has it's blowhards......
......but the right wing has cornered the market now.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:18 AM
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14. I sure know some pretend naive people who are pretty annoying.
I usually deal with them by gently poking them in the ribs.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:21 AM
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15. No offense but that looks like a Colbert poll ;)
Is Georger Bush a great president or the greatest president ;)...No option-"I know such leftists and I may disagree with them or argue with them while still liking them overall".

I know such leftists and I have on occasion (depending on the issue) been that leftist ....
I know it can be irritating sometimes, but its rarely ill-intentioned :shrug:...
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:43 AM
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24. Ding.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:49 AM
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27. So?
:)
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:51 AM
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28. So, it IS a Colbert poll?
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #28
34. No, it is a push poll
Or a holier than thou
so called moderate's poll

LOL
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. It's just a poll
Who cares if it's a Colbert or a Depardieu poll? :)
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:20 PM
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42. Now, don't get too extreme in defending your poll.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #42
48. I just took out my plastic fork
In case anybody else wants to challange my poll :)
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #34
40. Or a shove poll.
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Kickoutthejams23 Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:28 AM
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16. Yes I hate holy than thou anything.
I find it truly an obnoxious stand usually reserved for those who cannot fathom that others have different life experiences and priorities. And they come in all shades of the political spectrum. I tend not to run into as many leftist holier than thou than those on the right (I live in Florida) but they are out there. They tend to be ticked of by culture issues more than politics (where we tend to agree) To use one example I run into to a lot of progressive film and literature snobs. My idea of a good foreign film is one directed by Jess Franco not a Bosnian coming of age film about a sheep. And I think that writers should be able to write about anything they want not be restricted to their own gender and ethnicity. Other examples of Holier than thou include the fact that I drive a car to work, prefer to date comely woman who are not always politically correct, own my own business, and here is the terror, hide the children people, I play golf. I have been told that playing golf is an racist elitist republican activity that destroys the environment and society as a whole and I can't be a good progressive unless I hand over my clubs. Whatever. (Ironically golf is the one activity that allows me to drive an electric car around)So from a culture point of view at least I have been told I am a bad progressive. How this helps our cause is beyond me. :evilgrin:
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:37 AM
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18. OMG, you play golf????
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 11:37 AM by survivor999
:) Don't you know that's a racist elitist republican activity!!?? BWAHAHAHAHAH :)
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:36 AM
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17. Not sure where you live, but I know PLENTY of holier than thou RWers.
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 11:39 AM by Mayberry Machiavelli
Here in TX.

I'd be lucky to know ANYONE I'd consider a leftist, on edit.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. I live in MA
I tried to get along with these people, but it's been impossible!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:39 AM
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20. I got in a huge fight with a Larouchite
larouchian?

according to this clown (clone?), Dennis Kucinich was to the right of Genghis Kahn.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:49 AM
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26. Larouchies aren't preachy, they are insane
Larouche is hardly anyone to talk about being right wing...he has been all over the place himself on that.
He veers between extreme right and extreme left every 10 years or so.

He is famous for having been homophobic (suggested public lynching of gay people), hating Jews (they control the media and all the money) and for making racist remarks about "black ghetto sluts" or some such thing...And he is insane and runs a cult...

The WaPo did a piece on him in 2004.

I would love to take on any LaRouchie that tries to get leftier than thou ;). We have a lot of them in my town.

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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #26
39. I don't think I ever met one...
It does sound insane. :)
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #39
46. consider yourself lucky then
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 12:30 PM by nam78_two
They have recently stopped bitching about the Democratic party, but you never know with them

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46883-20...
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/cult/lyndon-... /

Its not a political ideology but a cult...They are definitely not lefty imo.

LaRouche has been very anti-environment too.

LaRouche quotes:

Put the pieces together. First, the creative capacities of the nation's youth -- truly their most precious possession -- are destroyed by drugs. Next, the sexual identities of millions of Americans are thrown topsy turvy by a culture that extols the virtues of homosexuality. And finally, Satanism, the worship of Evil, emerges as a new religion.

"The Beatles had no genuine musical talent, but were a product shaped according to British Psychological Warfare Division specifications."
--Lyndon LaRouche, from the pamphlet, "Why Your Child Became a Drug Addict"


"Can we imagine anything more viciously sadistic than the Black Ghetto mother?"

Only a few of em there.

The LaRouchies don't have a huge national presence as far as I know..but theres a lot of em where I live... x(







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guinivere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:40 AM
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22. Extreme preachy, screechy folks are everywhere.
Most of the time, they are easy enough to ignore.

I usually stop listening to the 'holier' people after a couple of minutes. I don't care what their point is, being snotty won't change my mind.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:04 PM
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31. A few in real life & plenty here. LOL, I ordered a "ladies" beer once and
had a "far left" holier than thou distant relative jump all over me for making a "sexist" remark. We were all at a restaurant known for its large selection of beers (I'm not a big beer drinker), and when the waitress asked me what variety I wanted, I asked her to recommend something that was smooth. She told me she wasn't sure what I meant by "smooth", so I said, "you know, something like a ladies beer that's tastes smooth". That's when the shit hit the fan. Miss Holier than Thou stood right up at the other end of the table and hollered at me, "Hold on right now!! LADIES beer???" I said, "geez, I didn't mean it to be anything derogatory". :shrug:
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:09 PM
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32. So, what did you say?
Did you apologize?
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Alacrat Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:51 PM
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81. You should have said
"What would Cynthia Mckinney drink, I'll have one of those", all bases covered, although you may have been drinking napalm.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:12 PM
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35. Yes, and I find them easy enough to get along with.
There are some issues I just don't bother debating them over and they are much easier to deal with than conservatives.
The ones who bug me are those who don't participate in electoral politics because its too dirty or not revolutionary enough.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:16 PM
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37. Yup, some think exactly that
NOT participating in electoral politics is the solution. Electoral politics is just too morally corrupt and not revolutionary enough for them to get involved with it. You have a good point.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:33 PM
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49. The left doesn't support eachother in elections
Its the reason we lose even when the public is on our side.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:35 PM
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53. I think you are right
:(
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:28 PM
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44. I run into a few here all the time.
I won't name them, of course.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:34 PM
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51. Please, don't.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:34 PM
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50. yeah, THIS guy, for example, is holier than you:
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:34 PM
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52. LOL!
Good one :)
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:36 PM
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54. couldn't resist.....
it's a sculpture by a guy named Kevin Titzer (just to give credit where due)
http://www.kevintitzer.com/wp_gallery.html?_T02=4
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:41 PM
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58. Great sculpture!
Thanks. :)
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:37 PM
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55. Well, I know a couple people who are disillusioned with..
everyone, including the Democrats. I tell them that using the Democratic Party is the only way to get these RW extremists out of power. But they certainly aren't as annoying as the holier-than-thou Rushbots. Not even close.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:35 PM
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95. Oh God You're Right There.
As annoying as the holier than thou leftists can be they ain't nothin on the 'wanna whap em across the head' scale compared to the extremist rushbots. They're just a whole different breed of animal altogether LOL.

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Alacrat Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:50 PM
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60. I'm still new to the DU
I've found most people extremely friendly, with only an interest in discussion. BUT I have also noticed there are quite a few who seem to be waiting, and dying for the chance to call you a freeper, if you aren't as progressive as they believe themselves to be. They must drive hybrid cars, and the smug is getting to them. disclaimor....No disrespect, or offense was meant toward the owners of hybrids, just a SP joke, you either get it or you don't.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:21 PM
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69. Welcome
BUT I have also noticed there are quite a few who seem to be waiting, and dying for the chance to call you a freeper, if you aren't as progressive as they believe themselves to be.


Yeah, and heaven forbid you ever defend Hillary Clinton in any way, shape, or form....you'll be frantically accused of being a DLC operative and maybe even a traitor.

If you're interested in meeting some of these people, you can kill two birds with one stone by doing a thread titled, "We need more Democrats with balls...liberal Democrats just like Hillary". :evilgrin:
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:30 PM
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70. Ahahahah! Funny! Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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Alacrat Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:44 PM
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78. Thank you both for the greetings
I like being here to much to start a thread about Hillary's Liberal balls. I think I'll wait until I have a little more time under my belt, as of now I think it would be my first and last thread. I would love to read along and throw fuel on the fire if someone else wants to go for it.
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CollegeDUer Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:51 PM
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61. Sorry living in Georgia these are just foreign species
There's no such thing here. If you are against the Bush tax cuts you're a bleeding heart communist to begin with (you can imagine what I'm referred to as from that).
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messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:56 PM
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64. And some people can't see that we have two fascist parties.
You can't change a party from within that's led by a bunch of moderates & conservatives chanting "let's change the party from within" you just get friendly fascism.
That "holier than you" leftist is just someone with a whole different Ideology than yourself, can't you see that?.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:32 PM
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71. People who call the Democratic party a fascist party
seem, to me, to fall into the category of holier-than-thou.

And if you don't think you can change the party from within, then what are you doing here?
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:38 PM
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75. Somebody provided a possible answer
earlier in the thread!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:34 PM
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145. That's a non-answer.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 03:41 PM
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86. You are soooo right.
I think you just found someone who fits the bill, lol.

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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:33 PM
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72. Possible. But they are using the wrong strategy.
In the end, one needs people to be on one's side to make a difference, whatever one's side is. If one's side is based on being a small circle of purists, then one's side is never gonna make a dent; especially when the members of the small circle are not independently wealthy.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:57 PM
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65. Oh sure, I know some "Revolution Now" types.
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 01:22 PM by Demobrat
I live in San Francisco. They are pretty common here. Pretty much every other word out of their mouths is "yuppie" this and "yuppie" that. It's just their way of dealing with their envy of those who have done better than they have financially.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:38 PM
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74. San Francisco?
Cool city. Have not been there in ages...
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:00 PM
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66. "I'm a BETTER Democrat than yoooou are..."
Make sure you get that sing-song cadence in there when you say it--ok?

Sorry, but this has become a huge problem here locally and it will ultimately end up undoing several years worth of strategy and hard work when the "real" Democrats are no longer in control of our county.

You work the ticket once the Primary is over--PERIOD. That is how partisan politics works (or doesn't in the case of my local party.) We had a very ugly primary race that the local intelligentsia lost. Here we are, months after that primary, and they are still taking aim on the two Dems that won.

I am fed up with it and had a screaming match with the Vice Chair of the local party just a while back. His observation was that they just weren't "good enough" or (better yet!) "REAL" Democrats. The Dem Party Chair and his cadre of idjits (epitomized by that Vice Chair I was chewing on recently) are fixing to screw the entire party because they refuse to suck it up and work the ticket.

Meanwhile, the "local Dem party" has turned its back on Labor in this county. Oddly enough, the two Dems who won that primary are some of the only ones that local Labor supports/supported. Makes for a most ugly election cycle with the local Dem party coming up without any large contributions from Labor.

You ask how I deal with it? I just stay the hell away from party functions and work the candidates. I'm working hell out of the Dems that I feel ok about and trying not to wince when I read the LTE's from Dems bashing other Dems. I'm also working over in the neighboring county to help out the party over there.

I am a Democrat and I am not going to cede it all to the assholes and idiots That is the best I can do right now.

Regards.


Laura
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:35 PM
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73. Great story, Laura.
Agree on all points.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:46 PM
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79. "Moral purity" does not win elections.
Lord knows if it did, we'd never have seen guys like Nixon and the BFE in the White House and no liberal would ever be a loser. We also would not be in a place where we have so many jokes in the common vernacular about politics and corruption.

We Dems are (and have been for quite a while)lousy about proving our points to the voters. We just expect we can say "Vote for us we are morally superior" and it will translate into a win on election day.

Bad news, kids, it just doesn't work that way and taking aim on each other just makes it that much harder to win.


Laura
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:04 PM
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68. Start a thread with 'PETA' in the subject line
and you'll get an answer to your question. But,why are you asking?
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 01:50 PM
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80. The question is about alienation
Yet the only ways to apparently deal with them is to not be able to stand them, ignore them, or never interact with them. Did you mean to make yourself sound holier than thou in an ironic way?
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:13 PM
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82. OP said, "Who cares if it's a Colbert ... poll?"
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:16 PM
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83. Correction on quote.
"Colbert or Depardieu poll" :)
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:19 PM
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84. Again, you acknowledge it's ironic, and French ironic at that.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:27 PM
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85. Certainly not Austrian ironic
:) In any case, great thread. Thanks for contributing.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 04:20 PM
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87. hmmm, never met someone that was so holier-than-thou
lived in the most liberal places, Northern California, had progressive friends and acquaintances with all sort of diverse ideas, but they were mellow enough to respect each others ideas or debate said ideas in a civilized manner. Had friends who buy at Wal-Mart, I don't--even drove a friend there and sat outside while waiting for her-they know why I don't buy there, but I don't expect them to do what I do. It's free will afterall. Went to college in Northern California, met vegans, environmentalists, political activitists--debated civilly-no problem. Sorry your having problems--so, what's the significance of this thread? I once was vegan, for conscientious reasons (in school), however, never expected others to join, just to understand. Hell, my hubby didn't give up meat. Have truly bohemian friends, mostly, thoughtful and reflective about certain ideas-not extremists.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:25 PM
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93. You're lucky.
I had to give up a friendship with a vegetarian because I couldn't stand the lectures anymore. The last straw came when he lectured a waitress, in my presence, about SERVING meat. This person lived in Arcata. Not everyone in NC is as mellow as you and your friends.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:03 PM
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102. I have had the same problem in the reverse with many meat-eaters
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 06:04 PM by nam78_two
:)

I think it depends on the attitude you bring to anything not about what the thing is sometimes :shrug:

I am a vegetarian for ethical reasons and I have never tried to proselytize or lecture people but I have frequently come across smart asses in my own circle that have to joke about how "unappetising" or "icky" something I am eating looks. Or mocking remarks about "save the cows" etc. Or egging me on to eat something I don't want to eat..."come on- its just a fishy-it didn't hurt".

And I mean I only talk about this stuff when I am sitting behind a desk or handing out leaflets. I never preach to them. Yet some of these people have no problem making me fell uncomfortable...
I just ignore that aspect of their behaviour-its mostly just thoughtlessness I think.
The people I am referring to are liberal too (mostly under 30 males :)).

Obnoxiousness comes in all stripes...left, right, holier than thou, hipper than thou etc. ec. :shrug:
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:08 PM
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103. True, but you run into certain subtypes
Depending on where you live... In MA, I tend to run into the holier than you leftists... But we have RW people in central/Western MA as well...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 04:25 PM
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88. How about just asking: "Do you know any authoritarians?"
Doesn't matter the political stripe. Asshole authoritarians can be found everywhere.

I just ignore them, as they are irrelevant.

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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 04:30 PM
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89. I hate authoritarians. Left or right.
Great point.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 04:34 PM
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92. Thanks man!
You nailed it with your usual brevity and wit.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 04:34 PM
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91. Ralph Nader almost cost me a few friendships.
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 04:35 PM by impeachdubya
Beyond that, most of the would-be "leftists" I seem to have trouble with are the ones with an overly, er, authoritarian bend. (edit: Swamp Rat beat me to it!) People who think that you're not "progressive" if you don't want to criminalize meat eating, or porn, that kind of thing. People who genuinely believe that Stalin and Mao had a point.

Anyway, alienating people is such fun. For instance, who accomplished more for the anti-Iraq war movement? The 100,000 people who peacefully marched in San Francisco, or the ten college aged yahoos who broke windows, threw rocks at cops, and spraypainted anarchy symbols on mailboxes on Market Street, stealing all the media coverage and firmly cementing the public image of opposition to this war as mohawked kids with metal bars through their nostrils?
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:36 PM
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96. Other:
Sure. But I also know some "Holier than thou" "party purists" who make them look like saints.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:41 PM
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99. there is a difference between people who just argue and those who act
and there is a difference between people who work on issues vs those who work for candidates

argument is purer than activism

issues are purer than politics

thank goodness for the people willing to get their hands dirty
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:13 PM
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104. yes. i am one.
ensconsed in my ivory tower on a california liberal arts college campus.

i dig being holier than thou. :eyes:
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:15 PM
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105. 'you serious?
So, tell us what's wrong with the rest of us :)
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:18 PM
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110. damn right i'm serious.
the major thing that's wrong with the 'rest' of you is that you all whine too much about 'holier than thou leftists'.

:eyes:
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:52 PM
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115. And yet... A search for "holier then thou leftist"
at DU reveals no recent threads on the topic. Where are all the threads with people "complaining" about that? Sincere question.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:42 PM
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121. Maybe they used different phrases
:P
Or didn't start a thread but posted in one...
Just saying ;).....I have seen people complain about it before and the right wingers do it all the time (not on DU but elsewhere).

Look I take your point but I also like those "holier than thou leftists"...by and large they are well-meaning people...

Let it go sista :)...not all holier than thou leftists are evil people with low self-esteem etc. and everything else Operationmindcrime said about them...Human beings are complicated.
Some people just don't debate that well online or off for that matter...


I see a lot wrong with the world and while the "holier than thou leftists" may be annoying to some, they ain't the ones doing it :-/....
I hate to see lefties fight among themselves for any long period :-/
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:48 PM
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125. I hear you!
And I agree with the suspicion about blanket statements. Here we are talking about a specific type of leftist. By definition, the "holier than you type" cannot work with anybody else. They are a tiny and obnoxious group, yet they have plenty of time on their hands, apparently. :)
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:53 PM
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127. well a toast to good sense and working together then
:toast:
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:20 PM
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136. OK!
:)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:12 PM
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135. A CLASSIC example of what's wrong with American education....
... You gotta love the irony of it all.

(Go ahead - change the post without acknowledgement - that makes one dishonest as well as illiterate.)
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:46 PM
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146. ....
:rofl:


:loveya:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:02 PM
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106. I'm fed up with holier than thou liberals.
The ones who consider themselves so "reasonable" and sincere, who clutch their pearls and twist their hankies over those awful "leftists".

Feh.

sw
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #106
114. Anybody on this thread has made
a sincere effort to work with the "holier than you" leftists, I suspect. And were slapped in the face cuz they were not pure enough, not paranoid enough, too wealthy. Not sure what else could be done.
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:00 PM
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116. And you confirm the OP's point with your smug condescencion...
...PRECISELY.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #116
119. Yup.
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 09:33 PM by Demobrat
The resentment of anyone who has more than they do oozes from every pore. So ironic - when they claim to be for the working man - as soon as somebody lifts themselves out poverty they become the enemy! I always wonder what they would do if they won the lottery - probably buy a rolls royce and sneer out of the tinted windows at the plebes!
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:38 PM
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120. This is true. And sad...
Good question about the lottery... No idea...
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:07 PM
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133. I always wonder at WHAT point exactly
somebody no longer qualifies as a "real" lefty. When they start their own business after years of working for others, and become a boss? When they buy a house? A politically incorrect vehicle? Send their kids to college? Hit a certain income level? Or what ....I've asked this question of several self-proclaimed "radical leftists" but have yet to receive an answer.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:22 PM
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137. All great questions...
Can somebody answer?
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:44 PM
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123. And you were duly alienated, right? Then my work here is done. (nt)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:46 PM
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:01 PM
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140. Not "alienated" in the least...just amused.
...drooling silliness spewed by slack-jawed "savants" rarely tickles my fancy beyond chuckles and giggles.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:15 PM
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107. No, but I know a site where they hang out by the DUzens.
:hide:
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:46 PM
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113. They have a site?
Who donates there? Without corrupt liberals with $$s, who contributes?
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:02 PM
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117. They're doing okay contribution wise.
Donors number about 1000 and change per quarter. ;-)
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:05 PM
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130. ZING!
:applause:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:17 PM
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109. There are plenty on this site.
Some have even posted here in this thread already.
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Blackthorn Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:20 PM
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111. Yes, a few of them live here.
The Ramsey case and the Fund Drive have lured a few out of the woodwork.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:43 PM
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122. Sorry, but I'm too good to vote in your silly little poll.
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 09:44 PM by johnaries
:P
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:49 PM
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126. You little....
:)
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:02 PM
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129. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
No, I don't know any personally, but I'll agree that I have seen a couple here. And I do just ignore them.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:07 PM
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132. I call them "leftier-than-thou" - DU is full of em.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:27 PM
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138. Ahahah!
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:55 PM
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139. Thank you all for a great, civil and informative thread
:hi: Many things became clear in the process. :hi:
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:09 PM
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142. At the very least, you pumped your post count.
That's all that really matters.
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:58 PM
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147. The only 'Holier than Thou' folks I know are neo-cons
All the lefties I know are mellow.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:33 PM
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149. Good for you!
:)
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:53 AM
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148. I do feel a bit guilty since I am a rad but never actually
asssociate with any members of the laboring class. Still,although bourgeois in lifestyle, I would truly like an end to corporate capitalism, militarism and imperialism. I guess this must be one of the contradictions Marx talked about. Also you have NOT experienced harsh rhetoric until you have heard an anarchist versus a Maoist!!
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