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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:11 AM
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I have nothing to hide!
TODAY...

It's the government that dictates what I need to hide. Will the books, movies, websites and associations I'm free to enjoy today, be something to be hidden in the future?

Defend the constitution, it defines our freedom.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.ov...




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ERF Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:42 AM
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1. Not sure what the impetus for this post is. It is always
good to read the constitution now and then. It is nice to remind us of the topic, but of course it has been said much more elegantly in the past, for instance Jefferson said, "Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Liberty".

I am not familiar with any books that are banned in the United States.

In terms of movies and websites, at this point the only ones that are illegal are the ones that should be i.e. snuff films, child pornography, etc.

Since you have nothing to hide, I will assume you have none of that material. What current actions by the government do you think we need to pay particular attention to with regard to the first amendment?
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:12 AM
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2. Maybe you should pay more
more attention to the news....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08...

:eyes:

It's a slippery slope..dude
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ERF Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:48 AM
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6. First, how is an editorial news? You definitely need to
work on your back-up.

Secondly, although I despise Bush's actions in this circumstance, the court is slapping him down, so the system is working.

Thirdly, what does this have to do with you books, movies and websites?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:36 AM
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9. Your posts are a tad, um
obtuse.

The OP is just pointing out that the people who have NO PROBLEM being spied on and having their privacy invaded at every turn "to keep us safe" do not understand that what is considered suspicious or illegal NOW may not be the same next year, or next week for that matter.

It all depends on who is charge. (With this "unitary Presidency" crap - it means BUSH gets to decide what is suspicious +/or illegal - something that should give all Americans pause.)

This shouldn't be too hard to fathom.
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:25 AM
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4. Definitions of today:
Noun

S: (n) today (the present time or age) "the world of today"; "today we have computers"
S: (n) today (the day that includes the present moment (as opposed to yesterday or tomorrow)) "Today is beautiful"; "did you see today's newspaper?"

http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=today

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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:23 AM
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7. Didja happen to see the South Park episode where
they pointed out the obvious fact that "The Passion of The Christ" was nuthin' but !@#$%! snuff film? Hilarious!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:23 AM
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3. Your framing already gives away the whole game....
It's (supposed to be) the Constitution that dicatates what you need to hide. The gub-ment is SUBJECT TO the Constitution, not the writer of such.
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:34 AM
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5. Bill of Rights
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Amendment II


A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


Amendment III


No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


Amendment IV


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Amendment V


No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


Amendment VI


In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.


Amendment VII


In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.


Amendment VIII


Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


Amendment IX


The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


Amendment X


The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:29 AM
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8. Thank you!
This should be posted at prominent places everywhere progressives hang out. It is, secularly, of course, our bible and should be firmly and repeatedly drummed into our psyches.
I keep a copy taped to one of the bathroom mirrors and stuck on the 'fridge.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:54 AM
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10. Indeed
snip...from editorial

By ignoring the law, and making specious arguments that powers contained in Article II make the president virtually unaccountable to either the courts or Congress, the president shows contempt for the other branches and exposes his determination to concentrate power within his own with no particular gain for the war on terrorism.

Or as my husband said earlier, wiretapping is the lazy man's tool for fighting terrorism. Bush** would rather eavesdrop than secure our borders, ports, airports, etc. Why won't he do the real work? Because Bush** will never do anything that doesn't help him control his greatest threat -- the American people -- that's why.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 06:54 AM
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11. I do have something to hide!
My middle-aged gut and a few naughty bits.

Hiding the naughty bits are rumored to keep one out of jail, a most positive effect. ;-)
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