CNN is now calling it an "alleged" plot. Working on new AQ meme.

[Atman]

Kelly Arena is now poo-pooing the whole notion of Al Qaida involvement, saying "What really is Al Qaida anymore? Is it a movement, or an idea?" This is getting kind of surreal.

[bowens43]

1. What are you saying exactly?

It is an 'alleged plot'. I guess I don't see your point.

[Atman]

6. No, yesterday it was a real attack that was thwarted at the last minute

Come on, where were you? No one used the words "alleged" yesterday, not on the American media. And now they're saying that Al Qaida might not really even exist, after bludgeoning us over the head with it for five years? You don't find that odd? I'm not trying to claim any wacky conspiracy theory or anything, I'm just a little baffled about why today is so different than yesterday and the last five years.

[eridani]

40. It was an attack being planned, not an imminent threat

If none of the perps who were interrupted in their planning had actually purchased plane tickets, how can anybody say it was an actual attack?

[The Stranger]

2. Are ideas becoming illegal?

[Oversea Visitor]

3. That was how BBC called it from the begining

Now all the newshound go sniffing for uber stories.
All get is spin.

Then they say ok we can not sell nothing
So prepare to be declare as nothing
Even if nothing we try make something
But must be prepare so we not caught with wearing nothing.

[Hugin]

20. Yeah, I saw that as well...

The spokesman for the English Authorities said 'alleged' quite clearly in
his announcement. The BBC showed it verbatim. (Unlike the U.S. where currently
the media is more likely to show a still picture of the spokesman while some
overpaid talking head fills in the pre-ordained talking points from the sidelines.)

[tenshi816]

48. Aside from it being the right thing to do,

British authorities and media will use the word "alleged" to protect themselves from British laws against libel and slander.

[kestrel91316]

34. Hey, OV -

Haven't seen your posts in a coon's age. Good to see you here again. I always enjoy your perspective and way of putting things!

[Oversea Visitor]

42. What you miss

my 56 vote post on
UN Isreal/Lebanon resolution :rofl:

That suituation was really freaking me out.

:hug:

[tanyev]

4. Goodness. Pretty soon Al-Quaeda may just be anyone who

dares to criticize our Glorious Leader and our Divine Homeland.

[WinkyDink]

37. Ned Lamont (al-Qaeda---CT). You mean like that?

It's coming.

[tanyev]

38. I know.

:scared:

[Oversea Visitor]

43. How about Taliban Democrats

sorry copyright belong to Republicans.

[spanone]

5. US official are the one who connected it to al-Qaeda not the Brits

It is much more politically advantageous to the Republican party to have al-Qaeda involved.

[H2O Man]

7. "alleged"

That is the term that the majority of responsible journalists use in describing what any person may be accused of. If the accused is convicted, the wording changes to reflect that. The use of the word "alleged" is not unusual, and does not reflect any change in the reporter's perception of the alleged plot.

[NNN0LHI]

10. I never heard the word "alleged" used even once yesterday though

I think that is the point the poster is attempting to make.

Don

[H2O Man]

17. Perhaps.

I didn't watch much of the news yesterday. I still would not see that the change qualifies as "surreal." I tend to think of "surreal" as something other than the addition of an accurate adjective to describe something. However, as John wrote in one of the most famous of his surreal songs, "No one I think is in my tree, I mean it must be high or low. That is you can't you know tune in, but it's all right. That is I think it's not too bad." Now if only reporters would sing that .....

[Atman]

12. Are you listening to what I said?

I know what alleged means. And I know what "the majority of responsible journalists" do. But we're not talking about them, we're talking about the American media and CNN in particular.

IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, the word "alleged" is quite unusual, because yesterday NOTHING was alleged. Tens of thousands of people were stopped in their tracks, international commerce was interrupted, and we were treated to an endless barage of administration talking heads who I don't recall ever once using the words "alleged." And the media dutifully played right along. According to every talking head on American media yesterday, this wasn't an alleged plot...thousands of lives were saved in the nick of time. "WE" (BushCo) broke up (bullshit; UK did) an active plot to kill us all.

But today, it's alleged. Come out from under your bed now, the pollster is at the door!

[H2O Man]

19. No.

I was reading what you wrote. I think that you are blowing something out of proportion. My opinion is different than yours. No big deal.

[Atman]

21. Actually, I was simply posting an observation.

If you attempt to turn this into a major thread about lunatic conspiracy theories, then THAT would be blowing it out of proportion.

Otherwise, it is just my opinion, different than yours. No big deal.

[calmblueocean]

8. Maybe that's a good thing.

For a long time now, the American people have been duped into thinking that we were fighting some sort of specific group called "Al Qaeda", as if they had a membership list and a corporate HQ. Getting them to understand that terrorists can come from anywhere may be the first step in renouncing the insane Bush Doctrine that links stopping terrorism to invading and conquering Muslim nations.

[treestar]

25. This is the sanest thing I've read all day

And it is hard to deny that the media jumps in and tries to make it a simple black and white conflict.

[Strelnikov_]

41. Fully Agree. If This Position Was Taken On CNN Something Must

be sinking in.

[NNN0LHI]

9. No one knows where all the arrested people are at either

This is getting interesting.

Don

[rocktivity]

11. When I woke up yesterday morning, it was a real attack

By the time I went to bed, it was reduced to a dry run of a dry run. And seeing as how they'd found out about it months before, I don't understand why the plot was allowed to escalate to the point where the airports had to be shut down and people had to throw away their lipstick. It's coming apart faster than a stripper costume!

:headbang:
rocknation

[xchrom]

14. you wondered the exact things i did.

how did they let this thing cook for so long?

what was the logic in doing that?

[karlrschneider]

33. I'm curious about when all the signs, leaflets etc. were printed

and they seemingly immediately had a large supply of plastic bags to give out to passengers...
and what was the mechanism for deciding the new rules?...that sure happened quick.
:eyes:

[xchrom]

35. lol -- every act or conspiracy of terrorism

plays so nicely into the corporate war hawks hands -- here or in britain.

always just a coincidence.

[Atman]

15. Thank you.

Ain't that the truth. Why were all these steps taken over a dry run of a dry run, of something they knew about for months? This will wind up being just like the other bogus scares. The plot is probably real, but the hype and bullshit is...well...hype and bullshit.

[Hugin]

28. That said, I think someone somewhere in England was...

sensitive to the timing of the release of this 'alleged' plot and how it would
affect politics here in the U.S.

They had to do something and hopefully by being after the bulk of the primaries
and this far before the November elections. It will make a minimal disruption.

I tip my hat to them and I am grateful for the effort.

I was appalled at how the media and various politicians and political parties
in the U.S. postured and pandered yesterday. It was disgusting.

[Atman]

30. Hmmmm...wasn't The Poodle just canoodling with The Chimp?

Fuckin' animals!

[Hugin]

31. Yes, but, there were reports the Administration wasn't notified...

until Wednesday night. (So, to prevent leaks)

Somebody over there knew what a circus this would turn into in
the current American political/media climate and there was some
effort to mitigate the damage. Not to do so would hand the terrorist
what they sought.

It displays a certain cynicism about how grown up we are here in
America tho...

We'll have to work on that.

[gatorboy]

13. NPR used the term alleged for the entire day yesterday.

When speaking about the bomb plot.

[Atman]

18. So did CBC. But they aren't really what we call "The MSM."

Cabal News Network.

Faux News.

MSRNC.

The networks.

In short, the American Corporate Media. NPR, even with its new slant, is still ten times the "journalistic" operation of any of the entertainment news offerings above.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

16. I've felt this for a long time, and now my point is starting to be proved.

I don't see the media as quite the corporate whores that a lot of other people around here do.

Quite the contrary, I see them following the doctrine that FDR laid down in the 30's - if you want the inside scoop, you play ball by the administration's rules. If you want to be left out in the cold, you don't. It's that simple. I think the conservative bias is more reflected in the notion that if you want to find out what's going on in Washington, you have to kiss ass or the scoop is going to your competitor.

Now that we're inching closer to November and the polls are still indicating that tidal wave is coming, the media is starting to creep back over to the left, ever so slowly. They see the handwriting on the wall.

On edit: With a divided government (ie Democratic Congress, Repub White House or vice-versa), the media will play more to the overwhelming trend. In the 90's, the country was swaying to the right, and the media reflected that. Corporate whoredom is also more prevalent.

(Note: this does not apply to Fox News.)

[FreeStateDemocrat]

22. Every time I channel surfed CNN yesterday it was called "alleged plot"

[Atman]

23. I had CNN on one television in my studio ALL DAY, non stop.

I NEVER heard the word alleged used by any CNN reporter. Not once.

[ProfessorGAC]

26. It Definitely Was Not On The Crawl

And for people who are only half-listening, the words on the crawl are the CRUX of the story. And, the crawl NEVER said alleged.
The Professor

[NNN0LHI]

27. Me neither and I was listening for them to use it

You are not imagining things.

Don

[Marr]

45. I saw no mention of an "alleged" plot, either- and I was specifically

watching to see if they'd use that wording. CNN reported it all day as a 'thwarted terrorist plot'.

[Oversea Visitor]

44. There was a post on DU

capture screenshots of how the news was carried.

I think it was compare to a Canadian station,

The word alleged was never there :)

If you contest this someone going to pull out that post and show it to you :)

[Marr]

46. Here it is:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1873920&mesg_id=1873920

[Oversea Visitor]

47. Ouch

you really go looking for it. :rofl:

Ooops woah me think his eyes different from ours.
Since he can see the word there :rofl:

[The Stranger]

24. Whatever happened to the Miami Muslims wanting to attack the Sears Tower?

The media almost got that past the recesses of my consicousness and down the memory hole, but I can still remember it now. Yes, I do remember it now.

They were going to attack the Sears Tower, and it turned out to be -- well, what did it turn out to be?

[lebkuchen]

29. Didn't they need $25,000 for uniforms before they could level Sears?

Something crucial like that? :)

Have they gone to trial yet?

[The Stranger]

32. They lived in a warehouse and practiced some strange religious sub-sect.

I don't think they had done anything -- only talked about it.

[malaise]

36. BBC International is doing the same n/t

[Justice Is Comin]

39. Just like Cheney

Pfffffttttt.......Boom.

Oh shit, that wasn't a bird.