Olmert faces backlash over Lebanon war

[tocqueville]

By Adam Entous
3 minutes ago

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert faced a backlash on Friday over a U.N. proposal to end the war in Lebanon, with army officers saying they were held back and right-wing rivals calling for new elections.

"Olmert must go," read a front page headline in Israel's left-leaning Haaretz newspaper.

Opinion polls, conducted before details of the proposed Security Council resolution emerged, showed public support eroding for Olmert, a career politician who lacks the combat credentials of many of his predecessors.

Twenty percent of those surveyed by Haaretz believed Israel was winning the war.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060811/ts_nm/mideast_israel_dc

[malaise]

1. Right-wing rivals calling for new elections?

Not enough death and destruction for them I guess:puke: :puke:

[papau]

2. The IDF officers are right -they were held back - Olmert has chose

a path of both internal Israeli political risk, but also one of trusting Hez to keep its word.

He will get zero credit for that choice (the choice being to accept the UN resolution that is to be passed today) - at least not on DU. And history has a few thousand leaders that trusted the word of aggressive, terrorist organizations promising if only you do this we will stop - only to see their people screwed.

But I think he has chosen the right path - and not just for humanitarian reasons.

[Oversea Visitor]

3. Do not matter

Timing was bad. Already muslims world looking at Afghanistan and Iraq. It is like knife in their heart. Add in Lebanon things get very back.

OIC has communicate to all major power they going to start sending arms and resources to Hezbollah if UN cannot resolve this. Arab League are prepare to go the distance. So we have the potential of war where Israel has to fight 22 countries supported by 57 countries.
It is a GANG BANG.
US will be force to fight. Troops in Iraq, only way to even have chance to win is nukes. Even then I do not think it is possible.
Using nuke force every single major power hands in this conflict.
Hopeful peacemakers wins the day.
But all really in hand of bush.
If he crazy he veto resolution.

[Oversea Visitor]

5. And all this

FOR 2 KIDNAPPED soldiers. Or some MAD ideas. OR EGO.

[madokie]

11. OSV bush* is crazy, have to work on the assumption anyway

the way I see it the Arab world has no other choice, sad to say.
peace

[Oversea Visitor]

13. I know all still fighting over damn resolution

They say Tuesday, then Wedesday, Then Thurday, Then Friday,
Well today FRIDAY

Still BIG FAT ZERO

Now me read Russia got mad what to put in emergency resolution for immediate 72 hours ceasefire.

72 hours hmm 3 days.

Logic say that end up Monday.

Meanwhile we read oh we close to agreements.

Who to Believe?

One side say if this is the draft I veto, other side say if this the draft we reject.

Me think France going crazy with this.
Even UK sent representatives now to join circus.

Madness all this. Soon they say fuck the UN.
Then what. Call them illegal because not within UN.
Gee who cares then.
It will be KABOOM time.
Crazy mad ass.

[tocqueville]

4. fact is that the offensive failed militarily

and it has nothing to do with "trusting the word of aggressive, terrorist organizations". Nobody "trusts" the Hezbollah, that's neocon spin. The world doesn't want the ME to explode for foolish adventures. There is no justification to this war to start with and specially not when you look at the way it was conducted.

The only result of this war is that Israel is completely isolated (except in the US - but who cares) and the Hezbollah the winner. You don't fight terrorism with fragmentations bombs. You fight it by policies that undermine politically the terrorists base. And to understand that there is obviously a long way to go both in Tel-Aviv and in Washington.

[Little Star]

6. Oh stop it!

Making sense that is. :thumbsup:

[tocqueville]

16. like Iraq... no sense of defeat... nt

[papau]

10. limited 10000 only hands tied offensive failed militarily is true - and

this implies something other than Israel if it wants to "win" should forget about civilian deaths and just win?

So are you advocating that Israel give up on getting DU type folks admitting that it is trying not to kill civilians - and that it should go all out for the win?\

"There is no justification to this war to start with" so since they have held back when rockets fell in the past - they must do so in the future - and crossing the border inti Israel to kidnap after the teams you sent to do the same failed earlier should not be seen as a problem when the "government" looks the other way and indeed gives control of the south to the terrorists.

"..no justification... and specially not when you look at the way it was conducted" means Israel should have ignored the goal of trying to keep down civilian deaths - heck they get no credit/no one sees them as trying to avoid civilian deaths on DU or in the Arab world - and they should have just killed all - heck they found they couldn't "win" with a limited approach, so that was a lousy way to conduct the war?

I am not Jewish - but I know how I'd want America to act under the rockets falling on American cities, foreign government giving over authority to terrorists, scenario.

[Oversea Visitor]

15. Israel not stupid they not going to commit sucide

Olmert stupid. All can see clearly.

He damn stupid. Worse time to attack Lebanon

Already fire in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Maybe he think start only small fire. What the hell, A fire is a fire.
Small or big still a fire.

But geee fire grows now what want to do.

Gee end up off with his head.

A FOOLISH MAN AND HIS HEAD SOON PARTED>

[Tom Joad]

20. The path of total destruction of South Lebanon. Olmert's choice.

I hope he pays for his crime. Too late for Sharoni.

[frankieT]

7. at least he is not facing an international court for war crimes -eom-

[malaise]

9. Yet n/t

[madokie]

12. He will

[DemReadingDU]

8. K&R

[jpkenny]

14. He and the entire Knesset should be facing the Hague Court for war crimes

[Tom Joad]

21. Not the entire knesset. Not azmi bishara.

[PATRICK]

17. Perfect roadkill

He was not ready to lead or exploit. At the least he could have unleashed the army and then had the capital to stop and hold them accountable. Instead he did the worst of all worlds weakly in too many directions. That is the type of highwire juggling the Third Way thinks can be done easily and responsibly, yet none have the miraculous skills to accomplish.

Bush/Cheney know how to duck behind and concentrate all their efforts on exploiting the situation and brush aside all peaceful solutions. Not surprisingly the RW can most easily take advantage of this hapless politician while the left turns against him too.

The same thing can swiftly happen to a Democratic president without good judgment. More swiftly perhaps.

[formercia]

18. Sharon was getting soft

he's out of the way, ok, Olmert's our boy, good that's it.. go git 'em. Oh shit....

[Tom Joad]

19. Humanitarian aid and resistance to Israeli occupation being organized

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