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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:48 PM
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Fraud Vitiates Everything It Touches: Why Diebold DREs May Have Invalid #s
Fraud Vitiates Everything It Touches: Why Diebold DREs May Have Invalid NASED Numbers

A three year investigation determined that Diebold committed fraud
against Wyle Labs in order to obtain valuable qualification numbers
from the National Association of State Election Directors (NASED)
Voting Systems Board (VSB).

If in fact Diebold has committed fraud it is not a small legal matter.
Such fraud would prevent the certification in Utah of any Diebold
system which contains either a TS R6 or TSx DRE touch screen because
there is now no valid NASED qualification number for these systems....
The only question before the State of Utah (and 37 other states) is
whether elections will be held on uncertified systems because it is
inconvenient to obey the law or whether this state and others will
abide by its own statutes and regulations despite any inconvenience.
This article includes case law references.

http://www.votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_conten...


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:50 PM
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1. Kick
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:51 PM
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2. hey darlin!
:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:52 PM
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3. Is there ANYTHING these guys did that WAS legal?
lol

:hi:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:53 PM
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4. We live in very interesting times!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:51 PM
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16. Too damn interesting.
K&R.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:00 AM
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18. Just when you think you've seen every dirty trick these guys can pull
there's ANOTHER ONE.

Man!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:01 PM
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5. k&r
:)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:11 PM
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6. Do we know if the plaintiffs in the CA case have this information?
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 11:54 PM by sfexpat2000
So much fraud, so little time.

:kick:
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:15 PM
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7. thank you helderheid
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 11:16 PM by cal04
for this. This is the MOST important issue
K&R

:kick: :kick:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:29 PM
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8. kick for every transparency even though
there's some things we probably don't really want to see. :silly:
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earthboundmisfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:36 PM
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9. Here's 10
And thanks for this.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:38 PM
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11. Thanks, earthboundmisfit!
:kick:
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:38 PM
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10. Yikes.. thats 13.. quick someone, recommend.. haha.. nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:43 PM
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14. That would be 1 vote for every how many voters these creeps
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 11:51 PM by sfexpat2000
have ripped off? :)

/oops
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:07 AM
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21. That's only when they're not feeling greedy..
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 12:07 AM by Reckon
which is NEVER!. :)

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:07 AM
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22. Exactly! That's the math!
:)
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:41 PM
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12. K&R(nt)
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:42 PM
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13. Damn you are good
I hope you can find time to post at DU later
when your work takes over Ms.Campaign Manager

Important post.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:43 PM
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15. I can now hack a Diebold voting machine and you can too, it's very easy...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:56 PM
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17. Great link! Thank you, LaPera
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:00 AM
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19. good grief, the fraud never quits giving!!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:03 AM
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20. It's jaw-dropping. And *this* is what our supine media
refuses to report.

*They* look less innocent all the time.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:53 PM
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35. K & R, Dobbs should be able to report on this n/t
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:18 AM
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23. I think this is the first DU post title with the word "Vitiates" in it.
It sounds just like the spreading of the hateful disease that those malignant clowns are infecting us with.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:54 AM
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24. Back up there so DUers can see just what is being forced on us
as American voters.

:mad:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:55 AM
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25. Kick(nt)
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 01:01 AM
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26. Happy to oblige. Kick it up. nt
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:48 AM
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27. mornin'
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:38 AM
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28. Mourning the loss of fair elections
From the end of Washburn's article:

If in fact Diebold has committed fraud it is not a small legal matter. Such fraud would prevent the certification in Wisconsin of any Diebold system which contains either a TS R6 or TSx DRE touch screen because there is now no valid NASED qualification number for these systems.

Diebold must submit the source code for all 4 (or more) versions of Win CE used in its touch screen DRE systems and obtain a valid qualification number from the Election Assistance Commission.

I realize this revelation comes at an inconvenient time. The September primaries for Wisconsin are only 5 weeks away with the general election in November in 13 weeks. It is not the fault of this or other investigators that Diebold may have committed fraud for more than 4 years. It is not my fault Wylie Labs and Ciber Labs are gullibly ignorant of operating systems from Microsoft or of the National Software Reference Library used to verify COTS software versions.

The only question before the State of Wisconsin (and 37 other states) is whether elections will be held on uncertified systems because it is inconvenient to obey the law or whether this state and others will abide by its own statutes and regulations despite any inconvenience.

==============================
I bet Wisconsin uses the uncertified, fraudulently produced machines. Who would bet against that?

What would they do otherwise? Hand Count Paper Ballots?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:47 AM
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29. time for lawsuits.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:36 AM
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32. RFK
Is the answer to the question of who has, indeed, filed a lawsuit.

Another, in North Carolina, ended up with Diebold running away from NC with their tail between their legs.

Any others?

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ArbustoBuster Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:53 AM
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30. Is there some penalty for breaking this law?
Can those who ignore this law against using uncertified machines be sent to prison for years, or is it one of the laws which apparently have no penalty, like the laws against domestic espionage or starting illegal wars?

If this law has no teeth, it will be broken. I guarantee it. But if it carries a stiff penalty, we can send a few politicos to jail for a few years and teach them not to do this again.

(I think I'm becoming a broken record on the "imprison the bastards so they don't do it again" theme. But I consider it our top priority.)
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 06:26 PM
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39. Hopefully
Burn in hell for eternity would be appropriate?

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:43 PM
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40. hasn't been so far!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:29 AM
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31. Kick and thank you!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:36 PM
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33. Kick!(nt)
:kick:
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:11 PM
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34. kick!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:53 PM
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36. Kick.(nt)
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:55 PM
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37. Why am I not surprised?
k&r
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 06:12 PM
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38. "Just good old boys"
:nuke:
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:55 PM
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41. In my past careeer in prostate cancer research,
DRE meant "digital rectal exam."


Considering how many times Diebold has screwed us over, I guess it makes sense to have an acronym that means they have their fingers up our asses.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:02 PM
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42. I did not know that.
The acronoym is fitting.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:27 PM
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44. I don't believe in coincidences.
lol

:)
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:13 PM
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43. Kick
:kick:
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:48 PM
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45. kick
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:51 AM
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46. The prudent thing for the 38 States to do is
Edited on Sat Aug-12-06 12:52 AM by rumpel
go back to paper. Charge the extra cost to Diebold as penalty for breach of contract/fraud. It's the people's money.

plus subpeona Iredale et al - get immediate refund for all the machines - file suit

Talbot Iredale, V.P. for Research and Development for Diebold specifically instructed subordinates to not turn over the WinCE source code to Wyle Lab for the required source code reviews and further he instructed his subordinates: We do not want to get Wyle reviewing and certifying the operating systems. Therefore can we keep to a minimum the references to the WnCE 3.0 operating system?

hmmm

Why was this order given, Mr. Iredale? It does not appear to be mere competition / revenue issues.

Thanks for the news, helderheid :hi:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 02:06 AM
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47. Kick.(nt)
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