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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:50 PM
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I give up. The "Islamic Fascists" have won.
Their ability to inconvenience me at the airport for the occasional flight to the west coast far outweighs the might of our military forces fighting a global war so that I may be inconvenienced at the airport no more. It's just too much. I guess I'll just turn myself into the Islamo indoctrination center where I'll be issued my Quran and learn to read and write in Arabic. Our only hope now will be in the freepers who I assume will be starting a network of underground resistance movements across the country. It will be up to them to preserve our cultural heritage and distinctiveness. Now, first things first. Surrender. To whom do we surrender? Fascists are notorious bureaucrats and anal attentive about minutia of governing. Certainly Islamo-fascists are the same way. I assume they have an infrastructure. Somewhere? An ambassador to the UN? A battleship we can get dressed up and sign a bunch of papers on? A boxcar? A demilitarized zone we can build a conference center in and cut down the middle with half being on our side half on their side? Something?
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TAPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:54 PM
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1. Oh, Jara, stand in line...
we're all ready to sign up with the Islamo-Fascististists! ;)

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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:56 PM
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2. kidding aside
maybe they don't hate our freedom, rather they want freedom from us.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:00 PM
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4. Recently, on Democracy Now!
Someone from Lebanon was saying that Arabs think of the word "democracy" as code for "American Sovereignty".

They know what's going on better than most Americans.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:06 PM
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6. I think you're on to something. Plus, Islamist is a better term, imo.
MARTIN AMIS: For them, death is not death and life is not life either. And the suicide bomber, I think we should call them suicide mass murderers myself. The suicide bomber is the martyr, is the only Islamic soul who can expect completely expeditious entry into paradise. Everyone else has to molder in the grave for centuries and then get kicked awake by furious angels and interrogated on the day of judgment. The suicide mass murderer doesn't do that. He doesn't have to do it.

It's a monstrous distortion of the Koran and a monstrous sort of theological moral deformity that they've made central to their new ideologies. And you'd find all sorts of people saying that using their bodies is what people do because they don't have F-16s and tanks and so on. Well, would you like them to have F-16s and tanks is one question. But the other one is that it's not what people do. They talk about it as if it's an eternal ruse de guerre. That this is what people have always done. It's not what people have always done. It's an innovation, and it's an Islamist innovation.

BILL MOYERS: Islamist. Help us to understand the distinction you make between Islam and Islamism.

MARTIN AMIS: Well, Islam is the great religion that has been the donor of countless benefits to mankind, that led the world in civilization throughout the Middle Ages, gave us algebra and all kinds of intellectual breakthroughs of all kinds, plus an example of tolerance that nowhere else in the world could offer at that time. A level of tolerance and respect for justice. That is Islam.

Islamism started after the First World War when the last empire was lost, the Ottoman sided with Germany in First World War. And then, you know, if you can stand way back from it all. You can imagine Islam very much reduced. It's coming towards modernity. And instead of advancing down that road, it turned round and the great leap backwards began. That's Islamism. But when Islamism got going instead of saying, "Okay, to come into modernity, we need to put slightly less emphasis on Islam." And the great leap backwards said, "No, we would need total emphasis on Islam."
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/print/faithandreason106_print...
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madame defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:56 PM
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3. Surrender to the DHS...
Since the Islamic Fascists's goal was to take down the US economically & Cherthof seems hell-bent to help via these assine travel restrictions, we can only assume that Cherthof has joined them...
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:05 PM
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5. BIn Ladin agrees
"So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah.

That being said, those who say that al-Qaida has won against the administration in the White House or that the administration has lost in this war have not been precise, because when one scrutinises the results, one cannot say that al-Qaida is the sole factor in achieving those spectacular gains.

Rather, the policy of the White House that demands the opening of war fronts to keep busy their various corporations - whether they be working in the field of arms or oil or reconstruction - has helped al-Qaida to achieve these enormous results.

And so it has appeared to some analysts and diplomats that the White House and us are playing as one team towards the economic goals of the United States, even if the intentions differ."

You didn't hear that on CNN because their site was censored but that's from the November '04 tape.

(Full transcript on al-Jazeera website).

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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:18 PM
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11. Bin Laden = Goldstein
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DurangoKid Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:38 PM
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7. Islamo-fascist?
Could someone clue me in on just exactly what an Islamo-fascist is?

I understand what a fascist is. Put simply, a fascist is someone who wants to use the power of the state on behalf of the bourgeoisie class. Or in other words, it someone who wants the corporate agenda to become the government agenda.

Now, the Islamic militants aren't part of or advocates of the bourgeoisie in their respective countries. One of their chief complaints is how the power of the state has been corrupted by external forces, namely non-Islamic, foreign corporations. Therefore, one might conclude that Islamic militants are anti-corporate and opposed to fascism by definition. Perhaps the confusion comes by equating militancy with fascism. By that criterion, the US military support for corrupt Islamic governments and violent repression of populist or democratic movements would put it in the fascist category because of the militancy of the methods and support for corporate financial goals.

Another source of confusion might be the equating of fascism with nationalism. The NAZI's official title did include a reference to nationalism. But the NAZI's also considered themselves to be socialists which by Marx's definition they weren't. But nationalism in itself has nothing to say about surplus value, the source of all capital accumulation and profit. So calling a nationalist a fascist doesn't make much sense.

One might ask what in Islam is intrinsically conducive to fascism? From what little I know of Islam and its policy on business, it tends to be antithetical to capitalism and would therefore rule out any propensity to fascism. Islam is against wealth without work, e.g., the charging of interest.

I'd have to conclude that the author of "Islamo-fascism" is either a liar or a fool and possibly both.
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:44 PM
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9. It's kind of like when freepers call liberals Nazis and Commies.
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 04:45 PM by Jara sang
In the same sentence. they have no idea that those two concepts are diametrically opposed. The freepers inbred thought processes only allows them to throw out negative hate speech. Freepers are a real world example of why brothers should not have sex with their sisters.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:51 PM
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12. Excellent points!

Please don't confuse my login name as being a supporter of terrorism, but according to some websites I've seen, there are far more al-Qaeda operatives that seem to be getting caught in Saudi Arabia, presumably for the very reason that they oppose the government's alliances.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:18 PM
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8. All Christians are to be rounded up and held in concentration camps.
Please report to your local 7-11 for further instructions.
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:53 PM
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10. I just wanted to mention.
I forgot this--------> HEAVY :sarcasm: for this statement:

"Our only hope now will be in the freepers who I assume will be starting a network of underground resistance movements across the country."

The freeper cowards would be the first people to collaborate with an enemy occupying force in the United States. The freeper is a coward by nature and by deed. Merely observe the action of Benedict Arnold, "the first freeper".
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