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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:08 AM
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How will this affect your Flying Routines, if at all?
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 11:08 AM by Philosoraptor
Will you be any less prone to fly now, or will you just be prepared to fly high and dry with no liquids or clothing or eye contact? Will you mind the lie detector tests? And do you mind waiting in line for a few more hours at a time now?

How will it affect the airline industry?

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:10 AM
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1. My routine? I'm less likely to execute barrel-rolls now
Damn those liquid shampoos.
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FILAM23 Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:07 PM
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47. Guess that the airlines
will now start selling bottled water. But in answer
it won't chage y flying habits at all.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:11 AM
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2. well, considering that this will pass
I would say not much at all past the next few days...

sP
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madame defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:11 AM
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3. I refuse to fly now...
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 11:12 AM by madame defarge
I have no doubt that these liquid restrictions will stay in effect for a long time.

Here's the latest from CNN RE: airline stocks taking hits...
http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/10/news/companies/airlines...

Edited to add: It's not that I'm afraid to fly. It's that I refuse to subject myself to all the fucking inconveniences they are placing on us. How much more can we take???
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:14 AM
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4. I have to fly from JFK to Moscow Tuesday
but it is non-stop. By dumb luck I could not get a British Air flight with a Heathrow stop over to the Moscow airport (SVO), so I ended up on the non-stop with Delta. Hopefully, it won't be a nightmare next week like it will be the next couple of days.

I guess I'll chuck the water bottle at the gate. Flying sux since GW Bush was asleep on watch and did not stop 911. Thanks for the flying hassles Turd-in-chief.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:16 AM
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5. I'm building a pirogue!
:D









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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:27 AM
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14. Let me know when you want to travel Route 66...
To hell with a Corvette, we'll take your pirogue!


Which one do you want to be?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:17 AM
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6. Its already such a major pain in the arse
that unless it is an extremely long trip, I don't fly. I don't live in a hub city. Therefore, by the time you calculate the time to drive to the airport, go through security, get on the plane, fly to a hub, wait for the next flight, land, get your bags, rent a car and then drive to your destination, its actually quicker for me to drive most destinations that are under 500 miles or so.

Its insane.
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Bjornsdotter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:17 AM
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7. I'm flying to Europe

...later this month. I'm not worried.

Cheers
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:18 AM
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8. they will kill the airline industry
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:20 AM
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9. We used to travel to Europe via boat....
Maybe I should start booking trips on the Queen Mary 2.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:22 AM
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10. can't fly w,out liquids
i have been denied water by busy flight attendants in times past, most frequent flyers know you have to bring your own hydration because FAs have other duties besides playing waitress

if they don't drop this policy, i suppose the effect on the airline industry will be fairly devastating

what business traveler will be willing to check a $4K laptop to take a $400 flight? not too many i don't think
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:42 AM
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23. On, puh-leeze...you can always purchase a $4 can of coke!
The airlines will return to profitability by returning the cans for the deposit.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:23 AM
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11. Won't...
Neither terrorists nor fear-mongering governments will stop me from enjoying life.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:32 AM
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16. you enjoy life w.out hydration?
that's unusual, many folks find that w.out liquids they get extremely dry flakey skin, they get sick, and it has happened that some people have even died

the restriction on liquid is simply too much, it's dangerous, and it will kill, it just won't kill everybody all at once in one melodramatic boom
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:38 AM
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21. As I read the story, this won't stop airlines from serving liquids..
You'll still be able to get a drink in flight.
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nosillies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:47 AM
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26. Ha ha ha ha!!!! Funny.
Tried to get more than a teeny cup of water or one quarter of a can of soda on a flight lately? And heaven help you if you bother the attendants for a refill.

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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:49 AM
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27. yes...easy
when they are serving say, "I would like a can of <pickyerbev>." If they don't give you the whole can...ask again. You will get it.

sP
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:54 AM
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29. Yup. Just ask for the can (of soda (or pop as we say in the Upper Midwest)
They'll give it to you every time.
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nosillies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:19 PM
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35. Maybe it's the routes I fly.
Passenger requests for full cans are always denied because they "might run out." Cost cutting, I guess. Which I can understand, becuase I'd sure be pissed if I were at the back of the plane and couldn't get what I wanted because they ran out.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:46 PM
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38. i see marmar does not fly very often
they most certainly do NOT give you the can every time, quite often i have had them explain that catering did not supply sufficient cans for people to have whole cans of soda

i've been on flights where NO bottled water was loaded...at all...
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:50 PM
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40. I fly at least once a month...so perhaps it's not that often to you...
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 12:54 PM by marmar
I guess everyone's experience is different. Sorry that you've been so unlucky. Bigger point is, I doubt that anyone's going to be allowed to dehydrate on a plane.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:44 PM
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37. thank you amybhole
i have experienced what you have experienced

i have been told "no," i've been told "wait" and then she yelled at me when i buzzed again after 20 minutes, i have been told they didn't supply enough cans or bottles to allow people to have an entire can

repeatedly asking for a refill, even politely, might cause a harassed FA to consider that you are harassing her

i honestly don't know what to do, i remember one frenzied FA who really did accuse me of harassing her -- when i asked, politely, for a cup of water twice in an hour, she may well have confused me w. other passengers making the same request and not getting and finally snapped but it was scary

and of course during turbulence there can be NO service whatsoever
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Glimmer of Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:24 AM
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12. I am wondering if I can get some last minute travel deals during
the next couple weeks.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:31 AM
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15. i wouldn't expect to because of fuel costs/cancellations
i don't know what sites and mailing lists you use to search for flights, last minute deals, etc but i am not v. optimistic that such deals are going to materialize altho it's only human nature to do the searches for any hidden gems

what i'm instead guessing will happen is that airlines will use the excuse to cxl the least profitable routes as well as the most backed-up routes, apparently there are a good many cancellations to/from u.k. -- and it's already a problem trying to fly back to usa out of cdg (paris)

maybe if you avoid western europe altogether, i dunno, but you still have the fuel cost issues

if you do see an unusually good deal, i wouldn't mind a PM if the destination is not to u.k. or western europe, no way i'm fighting that mess
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:25 AM
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13. I still can't afford to fly
so it's no biggie at the moment.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:33 AM
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17. I have several friends flying to Crawford this week and next
I will be picking up one at the Waco airport a week from today. I plan on having plenty of water for her when she lands.
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:35 AM
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18. No change...n/t
...
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:37 AM
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19. Being as that I've refused to fly to domestic locations already
No, this won't be changing my routine at all. Flying for me is already so much of a pain in the ass, drive two hours to airport, stand in line two-three more hours for intrusive searching, stuck at another hub for a couple of hours in order to switch planes, etc. etc., that frankly I'm now driving anyplace in North America. Besides, you get to see the country close up that way.

When I go overseas for vacation, well I suppose I will have to take those cattle cars in the sky. But that isn't for a couple more years yet, and if things continue as they are, I just might go over by boat.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:37 AM
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20. I hate flying and this just reinforces my dislike for it.
Long before 9-11, I hated flying. I haven't been on a plane in over 20 years (1984). If I ever have enough money to fly to Europe, I'll have to. But if I am traveling anywhere east of the Rockies, I'm driving. I like to look at the landscape and stop and see the sites, anyways. We live in a great country for that kind of travel.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:39 AM
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22. I'm flying to Thailand out of NYC on September 11.
No kidding.

I mean...what are the odds? As Garp says, that date's been pre-disastered.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:56 PM
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45. Oh.. that's a tough itinerary. What are the odds? n/t
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pointblank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:45 AM
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24. Well
I am supposed to fly from STL (St. Louis) to EWR (Newark) on Nov 8.

I just hope that all this shit blows over by then. I am horrible flyer and my bottle of whiskey and my portable DVD player are the only things that keep me sane in the air...addtionally the flight I am booked on is a non-stop 2.5 hour on one of those regional jets. I usually opt for flights that are a normal sized jet, but the price and the flight times on these tickets prompted me to bite the bullet...Im fucked.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:47 AM
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25. 2.5 hours? Pfft!
My flight to Bankok is 17 hours non-stop! I'm gonna be one thirsty mofo by the time I arrive!
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pointblank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:52 AM
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28. I would probably have to be placed into a drug induced come for
a 17.5 hour flight. Like I said, I am a HORRIBLE flyer...a white knuckler.

2.5 hours I can handle pretty well with xanax and liquor and some movies to keep my mind occupied, but without them I will be hatin it.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:57 AM
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30. Well...I am flying to Dublin...
But not until late november...so, the elections will be over by then...so maybe such terra alerts will be over by then too...and I am not afraid...I am 65 yrs old and what have i got to be afraid of anyway....so I still fly.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:00 PM
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31. Won't change here, I had already
decided that flying when an election is coming up was pretty much asking for extra hassles. I'll fly after the cabal is gone or in non election years.


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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:01 PM
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32. Affecting the airline industry?
I think these tight restrictions will prompt an expansion of private/corporate/chartered plane useage (at least for those people and companies who can afford it). That'll siphon off a segment that would otherwise be paying non-discounted or luxury rates (i.e., a more-profitable-than-average segment of the airline traveler market), so the big airlines are going to be left even further in the lurch.
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gula Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:09 PM
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33. No more travelling with hand luggage only
illegal codesmilie_remote(' :cry:')
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:53 PM
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42. Oh you're right.. forgot about that. n/t
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:10 PM
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34. I'm wondering about duty free shops.
I have a surprise business trip to Europe coming up, and I was wondering about perfume prices at the duty free shops. Now I'm wondering what I would do with perfume if I bought any. I suppose the same applies to liquor.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:48 PM
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39. duty free shop owners, kiss your sales good-bye
i suppose you can arrange to ship the perfume

liquor is too awkward and expensive to ship and to some states it is not even legal to be shipped to your home
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:29 PM
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36. I'm booked in 2 weeks. I'll just go naked & shoeless and
carry lots of hygeine supplies in a baggie. Maybe a combo of new & used.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:52 PM
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41. I already stopped flying a few years ago...
It's not that I fear terrorist attacks, as the odds are better that I'd get hit by a bus around town, but it's the hassle. In order to get to most places I'd want to go, which would be an approximate 2 hour flight, I'd have to go through 5 hours of airport hassles. Not worth it. Now, with the new stuff going on today, and four hour lines... it'd take me all day to fly on a 2 hour flight. Just not worth it. I'll drive where I need to go, or wait until I have enough money to buy into a charter flight if it's something I really want to do. I'm not a good crowd nor line person...

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:53 PM
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43. Big time
We're traveling Sunday thankfully not north. I will have to check the airline about taking what I deem essentials and since I never ever check in bags, I am truly pissed. I hope this crap won't be implemented in the Caribbean because I am not repurchasing all my essential supplies when I land anywhere. I won't be heading north anytime soon. This is more than I can tolerate. Meanwhile the rich can do what the fugg they like on their private aircraft. EfuggingNOUGH!! I've finally snapped.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:55 PM
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44. Not to mention that items are regularly stolen out of checked luggage..
That's something that has to be addressed, because it sounds like a lot of airlines will restrict ANY carry on luggage for a while. So, I'm thinking lots of ipods, cell phones, and computers, will be hitting the pawn shops soon at an airport near you. And if they lose your luggage.. it's worse.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:06 PM
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46. That is why I never
check in my luggage. I really don't expect this crap to affect me on this trip across the Caribbean. I really can't deal with this now. I won't take my lap top if I have to check it in - can't afford to lose it. We normally call friends or family using the cell when we land. This is way too much trouble - flying isn't worth it anymore.
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