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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:35 AM
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Larisa Alexandrovna:IT'S CLEAR CHENEY&NEOCONS DESPERATE FOR WAR WITH IRAN
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 10:39 AM by kpete
Is Lebanon the Trigger for U.S. War With Iran?

By Larisa Alexandrovna, AlterNet. Posted August 10, 2006.

Connect the dots, and it's clear that Cheney and the neocons are desperate to start a war with Iran. Tools

For over a year now I have been reporting on activities that appear to be leading the United States into direct confrontation with Iran. Aside from Sy Hersh and a few others, the majority of the U.S. media largely has ignored this march toward war, mainly because it helped disseminate the pre-war propaganda prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq. But failing to connect the dots on Iran is just as bad, if not worse, because Iran is by no means Iraq. A war with Persia will be a catastrophe of unimaginable consequences and the trigger for that action may have already begun.

Several months back, I reported that concern was rapidly rising that the United States was setting the table for its Iran engagement:

Speculation has been growing on a possible air strike against Iran. But with the failure of the Bush administration to present a convincing case to the U.N. Security Council and to secure political backing domestically, some experts say the march toward war with Iran is on pause barring an "immediate need."

An immediate need is also sometimes called "the trigger."

MUCH more at:
http://www.alternet.org/story/40042/
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:51 AM
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1. Yep, all the pieces of the neocon puzzle are falling into place
A :kick: and :thumbsup: for this one.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:02 AM
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3. And another
:kick:
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:14 AM
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6. BTW, I posted an article on the Editorials page which fits in with this
It was an article just published in the Asia Times:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:02 AM
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2. They've been working on framing to do so
It's interesting the language that's being used by Israeli spokespeople/analysts and the Bushetals...they're identical. It's seems there is a fast-track effort about it; much faster than we had from the 'we'll find them and a hunt them down' to the 'mushroom cloud'.

Both have pretty much stopped using the word "terrorists" and substituted "extremists" (though they still use terrorism and terrorist acts); Both are dropping a verbal al Queda bomb when backed into a corner; both are actively connecting Iran and Syria at every opportunity.

A couple of days ago, I watched the Isaeli (Mark ?something?) spokesperson being interviewed about the attack on the Palestinian refugee camp in southern Lebanon. Surprisingly, the 'anchor' was asking somewhat probing questions. Unsurprisingly, the spokesperson went the AQ reminder route for the US audience by saying (paraphrased), "We've had problems with this camp before where it's known al Qaeda to be." Also, there's the "news" that Iranian fighters were found among Hezbollah that the IDF had killed.

Israel's gone beyond the "right to defend itself" and used justifications that are remarkably similar to the Bush Pre-emptive Doctrine in their public statements. It would not suprise me to be watching prime-time TV and have breaking news about a US-Israel airstrike on Iran's nuclear facilities...bunker buster bombs dropped, over a million dead.

Another standup job, Larissa! Great work!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:06 AM
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4. NO ACCIDENT
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:11 AM
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5. It's all by design.
In plain sight.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:14 AM
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7. and has been the plan all along


They just needed 9/11 to give them the ability to carry it out...

I am afraid the genie will never get put BACK IN THE BOTTLE!



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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:20 AM
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8. Even though it's appropriate, the word "tools" isn't really part of
the article. Lol, kpete. Thanks for posting this article!
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:46 AM
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9. Yes but...
Absolutely this aggression by Israel was supposed to act like bait to draw out Syria and Iran so there would be an excuse to attack and bomb them, too.

However, as BushInc has learned in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Israel and the USA are learning in Lebanon... things don't always go as planned when a people really really really don't want to be attacked or occupied and know how to use guerilla warfare effectively.

I'm sure the neocons are still having those ME-in-flames wet dreams at night, but seeing the way reality is during the day, they're probably getting very nervous and disappointed...

I guess the destruction of Iraq and Lebanon, and the regression in Afghanistan, just wasn't enough.......

Sue
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:03 PM
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10. Call me a hopeless optimist, but I still think "the adults" have preempted
the BushCo-Likudite Iran Show.

Just call it a hunch.

I'd like LaLa to further develop her thesis, though. Always read her. :thumbsup:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:05 PM
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11. Sy Hersh has already developed in great detail
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:06 PM
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13. Who am I to say that Sy hasn't been used by his sources in the past,
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 02:14 PM by leveymg
wittingly and not?

There's a lot at stake in the effort to try to convince Iran to pull back from its nuclear program. I don't think such efforts, even where they involve some deception, are necessarily ill-intended.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:25 PM
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17. Newsweek, better late than never
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:10 PM
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12. Yep. Didn't Hezbolla DENY kidnapping the soldiers in question as well?
This mess is yet again, all to convenient.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:18 PM
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14. One wonders...
how much support the trigger-happy Bush admin. would have provided British authorities in solving the latest terrorist plot?
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:14 PM
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16. For their own purposes
they outed a British source that might have blocked terror attacks like the one in London. So the mighty, concentrated with a vengeance, Pakistan dealing Bush administration not did nothing to help Britain but ruined some of their sources in order to brag about doing something pathetic to limit Pakistan's spread of nuclear technology. That may have even encouraged terrorists to take a shot and luckily the British seemed to have improved from the Cold War fiasco days.

Those are things you will never hear regardless of what happens one way or the other. Similarly, if we ARE hit because of deliberate Bush inattention to homeland security, all the people who have been complaining about that for years will not be heard in the din of "Props-to-the-Chief". Despite the complaints and questions from democrats the issue has never been enjoined, Bush has never been pinned down for blame, the consequences of Bush and GOP policy never discussed. This guarantees the exploitation angle remains intact just as our defense is a piece of rotting Swiss cheese.

The British police work and attitude is diametrically different from our defenseless posture. That is not going to be given fair media play no matter how glaring it is. So Bush and Rove will use their evident failing as a political plus, because they can, absent any sane public information system and forum and government.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:04 PM
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15. Response time limited but a CLEAR K&R. Great post & rawraw for lala
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:59 PM
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18. Remember The Maine!
Remember The Maine?

Gulf of Tonkin?

Yes, we do.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:34 AM
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19. Scary, scary times. I am worried for my kids and our future
more so than at any time during my life. I have no faith that our leaders and even Iran's leaders are trying to avoid war and I fear that it may be too late to stop them.

Where is congress in all of this? Why aren't they standing up and demanding hearings, control of war declarations, NIE's, a seat at the table? This thing is way out of control. There are virtually no mechanisms in place now to stop our administration from expanding ME conflagration. The article says that all they need is some finding of "immediate need?" How hard is that to get? And in any case, why does the WH need "political backing domestically" or a "convincing case?"

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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:50 AM
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20. The Asia Times story and this one beg the question:
Is Israel steering our foreign policy?
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 06:00 AM
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21. K&R
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 06:04 AM
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22. Many still poo poo this notion.
We've been saying it here for several years, the neo cons have not even tried to hide the fact that Iran and the whole damned oily middle east is their's to take.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 06:06 AM
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23. They out to destroy this nation with their wars and deficit spending
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 06:06 AM by Roland99
Next will be a war on social programs and the safety net will be gone when the economy collapses.

They're making the US MORE vulnerable each and every day.

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