Is this terrorist alert just BS?

[survivor999]

Poll question: Is this terrorist alert just BS?

And why?

Poll result (220 votes)
YES	(161 votes, 73%)	Vote
NO	(59 votes, 27%)	Vote

[Beelzebud]

1. The BS comes in to play with our media. They'll ignore everything

else in favor of this.

I have no doubt the U.k. arrested some people.

I do have doubts about the timing...

[Tulum_Moon]

3. It's all in the timing.

They knew for weeks! What, if anything there was to know!
"Look this way! Don't look over there! Nothing to see there!"

[MercutioATC]

2. You can't have it both ways. Either Bush is an idiot or he's not.

For those who voted "yes"...

Do you really believe that the U.S. convinced the U.K. to completely fabricate a thwarted terror plot because Joe Lieberman lost a primary?

This administration may hype "terra" most of the time, but terrorism does exist...not every report is a fabrication.

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. um yes

[mike923]

74. Those 21 guys are real...and they are going to spend the rest of their ...

lives in jail, most likely.

That's an awful high price to pay in order to remove the story of a primary in Connecticut off the front page.

(it wasn't even ever on the front page in my hometown's paper)

[Vidar]

88. Spirited to a CIA safe house via secret prison before being

recycled for the next "terrorist" attempt on the Sears Tower,not that W wouldn't kill a few hundred thousand people if Rove tickled his fancy.

[proud2BlibKansan]

95. There are also 7 guys in Florida,

a couple hundred at Guatanemo Bay and who knows how many more in prisons all over the world.

Nah, they would NEVER illegally arrest anyone to "prove" there is a terror threat. No way.

[Lucy - Claire]

101. Most people in Britain do not

know or care about Joe Lieberman or Connecticut. SO why has it been necessary to have a terror alert in the UK, if that is the reason? The Brits are not prone of hysteria over terrorist threats and are happy that the security forces have done their jobs well. It is certainly headline news here and most people are unsurprised by the threats anyway.
As the likely suspects are from Pakistan or British born Muslims, it is not going to be about bombing the Middle East either, and the Pakistani government have been very helpful with the inquires, apparently.

[proud2BlibKansan]

8. p.s.

I don't think Ken Lay is dead either.

[OregonBlue]

26. Tony Blair is in serious trouble at home. Huge demonstrations in

the street of London re: Lebanon. Doesn't have to be about U.S., it's just about Neocons, American and British, hanging onto power. There was a huge tide of Progressive support going on yesterday. You could see it and feel it all over the networks. Major reporting on Lieberman defeat in England as well.

Coincidence? I doubt it!!

[MercutioATC]

30. Well, I disagree.

Is the media hyping this? Certainly.

Was it a valid threat? I believe so.

[OregonBlue]

36. Exactly what would lead you to that conclusion? So far I have not

heard one valid detail, I have not heard ANY real information, I have heard absolutely NOTHING that would lead me to believe that there was an actual plot. Is there something you know that the rest of us have not been privy to?

[MercutioATC]

38. What have you heard that makes you disbelieve it?

At any given time, there are probably a handful of people somewhere planning how to blow up a plane. I haven't seen anything to make me believe that they prevented an immediate threat, but I think it's reasonable to conclude that these people could very well have been planning an attack.

As I said, I do believe the media's hyping this. I also believe that some of the facts are probably wrong (it makes no sense to blow up planes over the Atlantic if you're trying to commit a "terrorist" act). I think we're completely overreacting.

However, I don't believe that it's a complete fabrication, nor do I believe that it was "timed" to coincide with Lieberman's defeat.

[OregonBlue]

41. They've already said they knew about it for days. Why now? Is there

some bad news about to break? I just don't believe anything they say any more. I guess we'll find out but then again, so far all of those other plots have come to naught.

[MercutioATC]

49. Do you REALLY think they care that much about Lamont?

I don't doubt that there's occasionally a timing issue to these things, but I don't see the trigger in this case.

I'd also caution anybody from slipping into the " anything they say is a lie" mode. It's just as harmful as believing everything they say.

Reality usually lies somewhere in the middle.

[OregonBlue]

82. No, I don't think they care that much about Lamont. I do think that

it was obvious yesterday that there was real change happening. Every pundit was aware of it. Tony Blair is in trouble as well. Huge marches in London. All-in-all, I think they're in trouble and need to change the dynamic, FAST!!

[tomp]

62. here's what i heard that makes me disbelieve it:

fifty years of govt lies that preceded it.

[MercutioATC]

72. So you now disregard EVERYTHING the government says?

[tomp]

100. disregard and disbelieve are two different things.

give me one good reason i should believe anything the govt says (u.s. or britain).

[Lucy - Claire]

102. The media here is reporting ....

And maybe hyping it in the UK because thousands of Brits are stuck in airports in Europe and it is peck holiday season.
People should be flying out to Spain or Greece tomorrow, for their package holidays and have no idea when they will fly. On the breakfast news there was one woman, stuck at Stanstead her flight to Ireland is delayed until Sunday and she has little money on her, because she has had to stay in a B&B. And she is 8 months pregnant.
I don't see it as hype, just reporting the story because it does affect waiting families here and because of the hand luggage restrictions. I also shows in some way the terrorists have succeeded here, in causing serious disruption and anxiety.

[ButterflyBlood]

78. Blair is in no more trouble than he was before

It was accepted at the elctions that he wasn't going to serve a full third term and he would no doubt resign before the end. Any domestic troubles will just take him out a few months earlier.

Does anyone here understand how a Parliamentary system works?

[earth mom]

47. These guys are masters of terror manipulation.

And who said anything about Lieberman?! The timing of this thing has nothing to do with Lieberman and everything to do with the ultimate goals of the neocons/BFEE. They want to control us, our emotions and our votes. After 5 + years of this crap, you still don't see that?! It should be obvious by now!

[MercutioATC]

51. I don't disagree, but that doesn't make everything they say a lie.

My take:

They're over-hyping the legitimate arrest of some people who were planning to blow up some planes.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[earth mom]

55. Lying comes naturally to them and is what they do 24/7.

This is NO different.

[MercutioATC]

56. Agreed, but that doesn't make everything they say a complete fabrication.

They lie and they hype real events to scare people. I think this is an example of them hyping a real event.

[earth mom]

76. Sorry, but I just don't see it.

We could go on about this all day, back and forth about what's real and what's not. I haven't heard any truth from them in 5 + years, but to me this is more of the same. They fooled me for awhile with 9/11, but I'm on to them now and that's it. Fooled me once, but they can't fool me again.


From the movie Fahrenheit 9/11:
George W. Bush: There's an old saying in Tennessee. I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee, that says: "Fool me once..."
George W. Bush: (pause)
George W. Bush: "... shame on...".
George W. Bush: (pause)
George W. Bush: "Shame on you..."
George W. Bush: (pause)
George W. Bush: "If fooled, you can't get fooled again."
Narrator: For once, we agreed.

[MercutioATC]

80. "They" purify the water you drink, school your children,

certify the drugs (and food) you ingest, prevent the planes you fly on from crashing into each other, and any number of other things that impact your daily life and you're going to say that EVERYTHING they say is a lie?

I'm not saying that they don't lie, I'm cautioning against taking disbelief to an extreme.

[earth mom]

90. "THEY" HAVE poisoned the water, poisoned infants with mercury in vaccines,

and have taken the education system and turned it upside down, slashed and burned it with No Child Left Behind and oh yeah "THEY" let planes crash into the World Trade Center on 9/11! And I should trust them now?!

Are you serious?!

I don't trust or believe them ONE IOTA, and you know what? I feel very sorry for you that you do! Obviously their evil sins haven't touched your life...yet. But they have adversely affected my life, and I'm gonna speak out about the evil they have wrought until they are history!

And if you think that's extreme...well I guess you thought the founding fathers were too "extreme" too.

[MercutioATC]

91. I think you're missing the point...

...but that's O.K.

We don't have to agree...

[0007]

71. These guys are master of terror manipulation and we are the

master at pushing the panic button......

[ramapodem]

4. I am somewhere in the middle....

I am about 60/40 (disbelieve/ believe) the adminstration. I distrust the adminstration believeing they cry wolf way to many times. But theres always that one chance they could be telling the truth for the first time in there life.

[meldroc]

5. Whether it is or not...

Bush & co. are going to milk the paranoia and fear for everything he can get.

[LordLovesAWorkingMan]

19. OK, work with me here

I am in no way advocating any sort of attack at all, but...

In what way does a claim of thwarting an attack help Bush? The primaries are over. Using that as an explanation rings hollow.

Also, elections are still months away. People forget things...they are certainly not going to remember that an attack was thwarted, and
in any case that isn't going to translate to Repub votes in November. It's too vague, and too distant.

If Bush ALLOWED the attack to happen, that would be MUCH more political hay for him and his buddies. There's way more to milk if he let the attack happen.

I believe this story, simply because Bush benefits more if it actually happened (God forbid) than if it were merely mentioned.

[survivor999]

33. Possibilities.

1) Terror alert all over the news stopped all the talk about Lamont and the status quo being in trouble.

2) Bush IS all about controlling terrorism. If they control terrorism their existence is justified. Remember that Democrats have been described as liberals who do not nothing about terrorism, just by Cheney in the last few days.

[Jeanette in FL]

34. Look at all the things that the media is not talking about

Lebanon
Israel
Iraq
Afghanistan
Economy
911 (an inside job)
Joe (lost his momentum)

terror, terror, terror, all day long, every day.

[LordLovesAWorkingMan]

35. But YOU'RE talking about it

which means other people are, as well.

This story will blow over in another couple of days, and the real issues will reemerge.

[EstimatedProphet]

46. That's just proof that it doesn't work anymore

That isn't proof that it wasn't planned. The thing to remember is that crying wolf is all this administration knows how to do, and really needs to do anymore. There will be a bump in the polls from the sixtoed supporting him again, and it will go down, and they'll do it again with yet another plot that was being followed for several months, and they will keep doing similar things until the election. Just wait.

[earth mom]

48. Make no mistake, this was done to benefit * & Co. nt

[LordLovesAWorkingMan]

50. Well I guess that settles it! Why didn't you say so sooner? nt

[earth mom]

57. Someone needed to set you straight. nt

[ChiciB1]

68. Oh, Don't Underestimate Them....

They'll be more, just wait a little while. I've become sooooooooooo cynical I believe these TRUTHS!!!

I no longer have any TRUST, nor will I put ANYTHING past them!!!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. Hell yes

It's two days after Joe got trounced. At least they gave us a day to celebrate.

[Individualist]

24. Ditto

Timing is everything.

[Ron Green]

9. We live with a certain amount of risk . . .

I'd rather risk being killed or hurt by a terrorist attack than risk losing our Democracy.

I think the latter is far more likely.

[Xenotime]

10. It's BS because the real threat is this administration and ....

the lies and hatred they spew forward. You can't trust anything they say and knew when the shit hits the fan they are going to run for the hills.

[earth mom]

53. Word! THE REAL THREAT IS THE * ADMINISTRATION!

That should be shouted far and wide! Instead, we get people buying into the b.s.! Unreal!!!

When will it ever end....?

When we've lost our democracy and have to bow to King George?!

[Radical Activist]

11. The last two were BS.

I'm assuming this one is too until I hear strong evidence to the contrary.

[Mabus]

12. We're "stopping" terror plots over there, so we don't have to stop them

here.

I don't trust any of these bastards - PERIOD.

[Swamp Rat]

13. They are ALL BS!

Why? Because it is MUCH more dangerous living in America with so much crime, police brutality and draconian laws, etc. than the threat of the occasional shoe bomber.

[DemInDistress]

14. Ned Lamont and the Winds of Change....

Can't have this Democratic good news against the incredible shrinking GOP mandates. Winds of Change. The mood of the country has awakened. End this fake war, end this larceny, lock up the perps (BFEE,ET AL.) still I am predicting a greater tragedy than 911 will occur before Nov allowing for scumbag bush to "suspend the elections until the world is once again safe"

[OregonBlue]

42. Yes, there was real electricity in the air yesterday. You could feel

it on every network. They felt it too and they needed to do something to dampen the excitement. Our press is being led by the nose again. God these people are such rubes!!

[Eurobabe]

104. Glad to see I am not the only one who thought this

I was in Vienna when I happened to see CNN very early morning yesterday. My first thought was, oh what perfect timing...Lamont wins, Blair's in trouble at home, so the perfect solution?

TERRA, TERRA, TERRA!!!

I don't believe any of this fucking bullshit anymore; I start to become very cynical and think that if attacks do come, perhaps it is being perpetrated upon us by the desperate ship of fools. I never imagined a government would capable of such actions, (guess that's what I get for studying philosophy & logic in college) but it's time to end this fallacy that the American 'corprotocracy' has any of our best interests at heart.

[Junkdrawer]

15. If it follows the usual arc, we'll find out in the next few days...

that the "terrorists" were actually a bunch of losers who spouted nonsense to an agent who was actually the source of most of the terror ideas.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

16. It's more than just is it real or not

It's about how great a threat was it really?

How much is it being sensationalized?

Was this the most eminent threat at the moment?

While they were working on solving this how many other new terrorist were created due to our tactics?

Are we really any better off today than we were yesterday?

[Snivi Yllom]

17. "it's a Lamont conspiracy!!! AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!"

[tinfoil tiaras]

18. It's like they take a damn M&Ms or Skittles bag

and just randomly pick out a M&M/Skittle and it just so happens that all these M&Ms/Skittles are either red or orange. And sometimes they're yellow, but not alot.

[Zomby Woof]

20. Yes

And I am the farthest thing from a tinfoiler on DU. But this smells. The DAY AFTER the Lamont victory gets ripped apart in the media, in which all the propagandists talked up the importance of supporting the Chimp "on terra".

Daryl Kagan is frosting her rancid cookies right now over the prospect of her Chimp God speaking... She almost seems to regret there wasn't an attack of some kind. Ratings! Drama! Praising her beloved 34%-Approved Chimp!

This is the fakest "foiled terror attack" yet. Always look at the timing of these things!

[Jacobin]

21. this board is disconnected from reality

See everyone next week.

[survivor999]

23. Discuss?

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. el pretzeldente is disconnected from reality

Have a nice break.

[Name removed]

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[proud2BlibKansan]

94. There is this feature called "ignore"

Perhaps you should explore using it?

[MercutioATC]

31. Not all of us are...

Stick around. Lend some perspective.

[DemonFighterLives]

98. Hello

Disconnected much?

[Tesha]

22. Not BS, but the news release was "timed" to be convenient. (NT)

[LSK]

27. because the right wing just shit in their pants over Lamont

And the only thing they know how to do is run on fear.

TERRA TERRA TERRA!!!

[survivor999]

29. Yup, that's the only explosive event I can think of

[Balbus]

28. I've learned there is no such thing as terrorism or terrorists.

Each "terrorism plot" that was foiled was a made up story in order to distract us from something else (in this case the Democratic primary election in CT) and every actual "terrorism act" that takes place (such as the World Trade Centers, the USS Cole, the British subway bombings, the tunnel bombings in Spain, the Pan-Am flight over Lockerby, etc, etc) are actually Rovian plots.

[eleny]

32. I believe that it's an August surprise

[originalpckelly]

37. They have abused our fear, and played into the hands of Al-Qaeda...

yes this was real, even if some of the previous plots were fake.

[Tesha]

39. We've reached the point where "homebrew" terrorism is rampant

Was this real? Oh, it doubtless had real components to it
(rather than being made up whole-cloth by a government
propaganda agency).

But we've reached the point where we've made sufficient people
worldwide hate us that Al Qaeda's work is completed. They've
created the franchise opportunity and now hundreds of groups
world-wide are off cobbling together ways to attack the West.
Some of these groups may succeed, but they're amateurs so most
will be bagged by the various police agencies pounding the
pavement looking for terraists.

And each time one of these bozo groups is bagged, we'll
hear from the Ministry of Propagandistic Bullshit that
another "Al Qaeda plot was foiled thanks to the vigilence
of Big Brother", err George W. Bush or his poodle Tony.
So (most of us) will stay appropriately terraized and
unquestioning of Big Brother or his raping of our rights
and wealth.

Like I said: Al Qaeda has achieved its main goal: to disrupt
the West through terrorism. OBL might as well retire to the
Caymans or something.

Tesha

[Perky]

40. I think this one was the real deal

Most other times it is posturing...but they arrested twenty and found stuff.

[devilgrrl]

43. I believe this. Also, I believe Eurasia and Oceania are actual nations.

[leftofthedial]

44. the ENTIRE "war" on "terror" is BS!

It's a neocon LIE!

They would have declared a war on jaywalking, but it sounds so much less scary.

[gauguin57]

45. Katrina anniversary coming up in a couple of weeks. So, I vote "yea."

Anderson Cooper is gonna take off his handsome flak jacket, come home from the Middle East and point out how effed up New Orleans is a full year later.

Katrina anniv plus civil war in Iraq plus Condi is incompetent plus home foreclosures and bad job forecasts plus record heat/supertyphoon in China (ignored global warming warnings) equals TERRA ALERT!

So, yeah. I'd say this terra stuff is B.S.

[Beausoir]

73. I tend to agree with you. The LAST thing they want is focus on real

issues regarding their incompetence.

[MiniMe]

52. Its sad that this had occurred to most of us at some point.

I haven't made my mind up yet,the fact that we even consider this because of the past lies and the tendency to raise the terror threat regularly in the summer and fall of election years makes you wonder.

[bigtree]

54. not this one

I think.

Chill and see. It'll flesh out, one way or the other. The nation is in a proxy war with the Muslim world to a large extent, whether that's just a perception or not. I'm certainly alert to the possibility of some sort of reprisal directed against us or our interests and allies. To suppose otherwise would be like driving with eyes closed.

[Imagevision]

58. How does anyone know it's not BS.? lot of reporting with no proof

a lot of talk, no actual substance except the reporting?!!

The Bojanka attack that was caught and elimated in the Clinton administration was reported on until 2 years after it happened.

All I think we'll be hearing is no further comments due to the ongoing investigation as this story fades into oblivion,

Before it was all talk and no action...
Now it's, all action and no talk -- where's the proof? show me the money!!

[slackmaster]

60. I have a feeling the truth is going to shock some of us when it comes out

And it will come out, soon.

[slackmaster]

59. As much as I respect healthy skepticism and even cynicism when appropriate

I have to say I think this one is for real.

ETA if 10 planes had been blown up over the Atlantic, surely some of the loudest voices crying "BS!" here would surely be blaming both the British and US national governments for not doing enough to prevent it.

[tomp]

61. anyone who takes govt pronouncements at face value...

...is as much a danger to the planet as the govt itself.

the govt lies
until proven otherwise

[mystique]

65. I don't know for sure...

But the "10" is kindda fishy to me.

[tomp]

67. "10" ? nt

[mystique]

69. I meant 10 planes.

BTW, what does nt means ? Sorry to sound too ignorant.

[nsd]

84. "nt" means "no text". There's just a subject line.

People use it (as well as "eom" = "End of Message") to indicate that you don't need to click on the message. Saves a smidgen of time.

[AngryAmish]

63. This is a distraction

Cindy Sheehan is destroying Rethuglikkans in Texas. She must be overshadowed. I would not be surprised to find out that the people arrested are all robots.

[novalib]

64. UTTERLY and COMPLETELY BULLSHIT!!!!!!!

It's just the latest ploy of the Bush/Blair Cabal Regime in their War Against the People!

DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING THE BUSH/BLAIR CABAL SAYS!!!!!

THEY WANT TO MAKE US -- ALL OF US!! -- POWERLESS, BOOT-LICKING SLAVES!

[ChiciB1]

66. I Vote Yes... Thanks For The Poll!!!

The "timing" is so coincidental, and "the corrupt ones" will simply say..."Why would we do something like this so close to an election?" To them, it's a WIN, WIN! Can't prove anything right NOW, it WILL come out later, but it here we go again..... Get that FEAR "thingie" pushed, and push it HARD!!!!

[DoYouEverWonder]

70. So 31% of DU believes the alert is not BS

That's about the same percentage of people in the country that still support George Bush. Interesting coincidence.

[bigtree]

77. you must be a SUPER DEMOCRAT

I recognize you by your ability to see through the internet and uncover the true identities of our posters through some numerical device.

Hail to you, noble DISCRIMINATOR!

[Individualist]

75. Catapulting the fear

The cabal knows that the only way to control this country - or attempt to control this country - is through the use of fear. We're all aware of how they've used phony terror alerts in the past whenever they were in trouble. Lamont's win sent a message to the cabal: Voters have had it! The neocon reaction has been evident in the media since Tuesday night.

US media is hyping the fear non-stop today. Look at the comparison between US and Canadian reporting: www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=vi...

[Imagevision]

79. All we're getting is reports with no proof, nothing substantial

and tomorrow if they wanted? they could do the same thing from another location?
\
He said, she said that;'s all that's being reported, the same 14 second video loop from Britain with nothing changed, if they're not going to show who they caught? why report it to begin with? why state the exact number caught?

I remember a couple of years ago when Bush had New York on full alert because of intel/info that was 5 years old!

Bush has serious probs, Iraq Civil war about to break bigtime, Lieberman loses via the "Bush Kiss" -- November elections could very well elimante the GOIP controll in Washington... so! show me the freegin money I can't believe you anymore George...

[Quantess]

81. I'm bored of terror alerts.

Terrorist threats are a big snooze. There have been too many false alarms, I've stopped caring whether this threat is real. Wake me up when it's over.

[Rosemary2205]

83. Of course it's BS - they planned on blowing up Powerade???

[AZBlue]

87. Whoever started the Powerade rumor should be slapped.

That was an irresponsible thing to do.

It wasn't Powerade. It was nitroglycerin or gasoline - some sort of explosive liquid - in a Powerade bottle. Big difference.

[AZBlue]

85. I know some can sleep easier at night pretending these things aren't real

but they are deluding themselves. Yes, this administration is an abysmal failure when it comes to protecting us and they then turn around and use these situations to their own advantage, making their crimes two-fold. But, that doesn't mean these plans and plots aren't real. It's time to face the scary reality.

[Generator]

86. Of course not

It's not our feeble, inept, corrupt govermnent. It's Britain. They aren't total wankers like our government. Oh and YES there is a real threat from terrorists. How can DU'ers argue every day that Iraq and Bush's policies and Israel are making more terrorists and then deny the idea that some want to do Americans (or anyone they can, really) harm?

I guess all those terrorists we are making is just a nice line when you want to argue your point. The real terrorists will never show up.

Oh and the point of propaganda isn't that it's total lies-it always has some truth in it-that's why it works. 9/11 happened. Fear is real. There are radical muslims. There are crazy people. And of course the Bushfucks will use it every wrong, impossible way possible. Maybe now is the time for the Dem leaders to aks-how does being Iraq stop terrorists from getting on planes? NO one has ever asked that question. How do our soldiers dying this minute in Iraq trying to stop a civil war that will most defintely happen make me in Oregon safer? Iraq has nothing to do with making any of us safer. And they will use the threat of real terrorists to justify the war in Iraq or justify one in Iran. It's madness.

[Dorian Gray]

92. I did not participate in this poll....

and I am sadly disappointed to see so many believe that it's BS. Sure, the media saturation is circumspect, but the threat itself? Of course it's real.

[Posteritatis]

93. What if you think that

(A) There actually was a plot of some sort or another that was foiled, disrupted, or otherwise thwarted, but

(B) It probably had little or nothing to do with the supposed monolith formerly known as al-Qaeda, which I do think used to exist but has since been destroyed or disrupted into relative harmlessness, and

(C) It's being spun way, way the hell out of proportion either for political reasons or more down-to-earth sensationalism; in other words, it

(D) Should be viewed as the serious crime it could or may have been, but not the collapse of human civilization narrowly averted yet again by the Thin Colorofchoiceasnationallyappropriate Line?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

96. 2 people asked me today: "have you heard about the latest hoax?"

Both moderate Dems. I think there's a lot of people out there who have gotten to the point that they are onto this gang.

[Raine]

97. It's Bull Shit

I don't believe a single thing that I hear about 'terrorism'.

[Matilda]

99. I think it's real enough.

And the idea of exploding liquids is a clever one.

But of course it's being exploited, and our governments are still in denial about the real causes
of Arab anger.

[eridani]

103. Where is "maybe"?

They can't lie about everything.

[survivor999]

105. Well, I had a long flight yesterday...

Pretty messy. Lotsa delays. Lost bags. But nothing unbearable. On the American Airlines plane, for the first time I noticed they had put little AA seals on all the vents underneath each seat on the plane; I assume to make sure nobody tampered with them. Sounds good to me.