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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:30 AM
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Poll question: Is this terrorist alert just BS?
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 10:31 AM by survivor999
And why?

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:32 AM
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1. The BS comes in to play with our media. They'll ignore everything
else in favor of this.

I have no doubt the U.k. arrested some people.

I do have doubts about the timing...
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Tulum_Moon Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:36 AM
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3. It's all in the timing.
They knew for weeks! What, if anything there was to know!
"Look this way! Don't look over there! Nothing to see there!"
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:35 AM
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2. You can't have it both ways. Either Bush is an idiot or he's not.
For those who voted "yes"...

Do you really believe that the U.S. convinced the U.K. to completely fabricate a thwarted terror plot because Joe Lieberman lost a primary?

This administration may hype "terra" most of the time, but terrorism does exist...not every report is a fabrication.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #2
7. um yes
:eyes:
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mike923 Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:39 PM
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74. Those 21 guys are real...and they are going to spend the rest of their ...
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 12:39 PM by mike923
lives in jail, most likely.

That's an awful high price to pay in order to remove the story of a primary in Connecticut off the front page.

(it wasn't even ever on the front page in my hometown's paper)
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #74
88. Spirited to a CIA safe house via secret prison before being
recycled for the next "terrorist" attempt on the Sears Tower,not that W wouldn't kill a few hundred thousand people if Rove tickled his fancy.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #74
95. There are also 7 guys in Florida,
a couple hundred at Guatanemo Bay and who knows how many more in prisons all over the world.

Nah, they would NEVER illegally arrest anyone to "prove" there is a terror threat. No way. :sarcasm:
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Lucy - Claire Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #74
101. Most people in Britain do not
know or care about Joe Lieberman or Connecticut. SO why has it been necessary to have a terror alert in the UK, if that is the reason? The Brits are not prone of hysteria over terrorist threats and are happy that the security forces have done their jobs well. It is certainly headline news here and most people are unsurprised by the threats anyway.
As the likely suspects are from Pakistan or British born Muslims, it is not going to be about bombing the Middle East either, and the Pakistani government have been very helpful with the inquires, apparently.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:40 AM
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8. p.s.
I don't think Ken Lay is dead either. :)
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:01 AM
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26. Tony Blair is in serious trouble at home. Huge demonstrations in
the street of London re: Lebanon. Doesn't have to be about U.S., it's just about Neocons, American and British, hanging onto power. There was a huge tide of Progressive support going on yesterday. You could see it and feel it all over the networks. Major reporting on Lieberman defeat in England as well.

Coincidence? I doubt it!!
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #26
30. Well, I disagree.
Is the media hyping this? Certainly.

Was it a valid threat? I believe so.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:28 AM
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36. Exactly what would lead you to that conclusion? So far I have not
heard one valid detail, I have not heard ANY real information, I have heard absolutely NOTHING that would lead me to believe that there was an actual plot. Is there something you know that the rest of us have not been privy to?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:38 AM
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38. What have you heard that makes you disbelieve it?
At any given time, there are probably a handful of people somewhere planning how to blow up a plane. I haven't seen anything to make me believe that they prevented an immediate threat, but I think it's reasonable to conclude that these people could very well have been planning an attack.

As I said, I do believe the media's hyping this. I also believe that some of the facts are probably wrong (it makes no sense to blow up planes over the Atlantic if you're trying to commit a "terrorist" act). I think we're completely overreacting.

However, I don't believe that it's a complete fabrication, nor do I believe that it was "timed" to coincide with Lieberman's defeat.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:46 AM
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41. They've already said they knew about it for days. Why now? Is there
some bad news about to break? I just don't believe anything they say any more. I guess we'll find out but then again, so far all of those other plots have come to naught.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:07 PM
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49. Do you REALLY think they care that much about Lamont?
I don't doubt that there's occasionally a timing issue to these things, but I don't see the trigger in this case.

I'd also caution anybody from slipping into the " anything they say is a lie" mode. It's just as harmful as believing everything they say.

Reality usually lies somewhere in the middle.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:54 PM
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82. No, I don't think they care that much about Lamont. I do think that
it was obvious yesterday that there was real change happening. Every pundit was aware of it. Tony Blair is in trouble as well. Huge marches in London. All-in-all, I think they're in trouble and need to change the dynamic, FAST!!
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #38
62. here's what i heard that makes me disbelieve it:
fifty years of govt lies that preceded it.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #62
72. So you now disregard EVERYTHING the government says?
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #72
100. disregard and disbelieve are two different things.
give me one good reason i should believe anything the govt says (u.s. or britain).
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Lucy - Claire Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:17 AM
Response to Reply #30
102. The media here is reporting ....
And maybe hyping it in the UK because thousands of Brits are stuck in airports in Europe and it is peck holiday season.
People should be flying out to Spain or Greece tomorrow, for their package holidays and have no idea when they will fly. On the breakfast news there was one woman, stuck at Stanstead her flight to Ireland is delayed until Sunday and she has little money on her, because she has had to stay in a B&B. And she is 8 months pregnant.
I don't see it as hype, just reporting the story because it does affect waiting families here and because of the hand luggage restrictions. I also shows in some way the terrorists have succeeded here, in causing serious disruption and anxiety.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:47 PM
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78. Blair is in no more trouble than he was before
It was accepted at the elctions that he wasn't going to serve a full third term and he would no doubt resign before the end. Any domestic troubles will just take him out a few months earlier.

Does anyone here understand how a Parliamentary system works?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:03 PM
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47. These guys are masters of terror manipulation.
And who said anything about Lieberman?! The timing of this thing has nothing to do with Lieberman and everything to do with the ultimate goals of the neocons/BFEE. They want to control us, our emotions and our votes. After 5 + years of this crap, you still don't see that?! It should be obvious by now!
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #47
51. I don't disagree, but that doesn't make everything they say a lie.
My take:

They're over-hyping the legitimate arrest of some people who were planning to blow up some planes.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:15 PM
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55. Lying comes naturally to them and is what they do 24/7.
This is NO different.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:17 PM
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56. Agreed, but that doesn't make everything they say a complete fabrication.
They lie and they hype real events to scare people. I think this is an example of them hyping a real event.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:44 PM
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76. Sorry, but I just don't see it.
We could go on about this all day, back and forth about what's real and what's not. I haven't heard any truth from them in 5 + years, but to me this is more of the same. They fooled me for awhile with 9/11, but I'm on to them now and that's it. Fooled me once, but they can't fool me again.


From the movie Fahrenheit 9/11:
George W. Bush: There's an old saying in Tennessee. I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee, that says: "Fool me once..."
George W. Bush: (pause)
George W. Bush: "... shame on...".
George W. Bush: (pause)
George W. Bush: "Shame on you..."
George W. Bush: (pause)
George W. Bush: "If fooled, you can't get fooled again."
Narrator: For once, we agreed.





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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #76
80. "They" purify the water you drink, school your children,
certify the drugs (and food) you ingest, prevent the planes you fly on from crashing into each other, and any number of other things that impact your daily life and you're going to say that EVERYTHING they say is a lie?

I'm not saying that they don't lie, I'm cautioning against taking disbelief to an extreme.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:53 PM
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90. "THEY" HAVE poisoned the water, poisoned infants with mercury in vaccines,
and have taken the education system and turned it upside down, slashed and burned it with No Child Left Behind and oh yeah "THEY" let planes crash into the World Trade Center on 9/11! And I should trust them now?!

:wtf: Are you serious?!

I don't trust or believe them ONE IOTA, and you know what? I feel very sorry for you that you do! Obviously their evil sins haven't touched your life...yet. But they have adversely affected my life, and I'm gonna speak out about the evil they have wrought until they are history!

And if you think that's extreme...well I guess you thought the founding fathers were too "extreme" too. :grr:
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. I think you're missing the point...
...but that's O.K.

We don't have to agree...
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #47
71. These guys are master of terror manipulation and we are the
master at pushing the panic button......


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ramapodem Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:37 AM
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4. I am somewhere in the middle....
I am about 60/40 (disbelieve/ believe) the adminstration. I distrust the adminstration believeing they cry wolf way to many times. But theres always that one chance they could be telling the truth for the first time in there life.
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meldroc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:37 AM
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5. Whether it is or not...
Bush & co. are going to milk the paranoia and fear for everything he can get.
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LordLovesAWorkingMan Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:49 AM
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19. OK, work with me here
I am in no way advocating any sort of attack at all, but...

In what way does a claim of thwarting an attack help Bush? The primaries are over. Using that as an explanation rings hollow.

Also, elections are still months away. People forget things...they are certainly not going to remember that an attack was thwarted, and
in any case that isn't going to translate to Repub votes in November. It's too vague, and too distant.

If Bush ALLOWED the attack to happen, that would be MUCH more political hay for him and his buddies. There's way more to milk if he let the attack happen.

I believe this story, simply because Bush benefits more if it actually happened (God forbid) than if it were merely mentioned.

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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #19
33. Possibilities.
1) Terror alert all over the news stopped all the talk about Lamont and the status quo being in trouble.

2) Bush IS all about controlling terrorism. If they control terrorism their existence is justified. Remember that Democrats have been described as liberals who do not nothing about terrorism, just by Cheney in the last few days.
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Jeanette in FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #19
34. Look at all the things that the media is not talking about
Lebanon
Israel
Iraq
Afghanistan
Economy
911 (an inside job)
Joe (lost his momentum)

terror, terror, terror, all day long, every day.
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LordLovesAWorkingMan Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #34
35. But YOU'RE talking about it
which means other people are, as well.

This story will blow over in another couple of days, and the real issues will reemerge.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #35
46. That's just proof that it doesn't work anymore
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 11:57 AM by EstimatedProphet
That isn't proof that it wasn't planned. The thing to remember is that crying wolf is all this administration knows how to do, and really needs to do anymore. There will be a bump in the polls from the sixtoed supporting him again, and it will go down, and they'll do it again with yet another plot that was being followed for several months, and they will keep doing similar things until the election. Just wait.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #19
48. Make no mistake, this was done to benefit * & Co. nt
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LordLovesAWorkingMan Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. Well I guess that settles it! Why didn't you say so sooner? nt
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #50
57. Someone needed to set you straight. nt
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #19
68. Oh, Don't Underestimate Them....
They'll be more, just wait a little while. I've become sooooooooooo cynical I believe these TRUTHS!!!

I no longer have any TRUST, nor will I put ANYTHING past them!!!!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:38 AM
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6. Hell yes
It's two days after Joe got trounced. At least they gave us a day to celebrate.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #6
24. Ditto
Timing is everything.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:40 AM
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9. We live with a certain amount of risk . . .
I'd rather risk being killed or hurt by a terrorist attack than risk losing our Democracy.

I think the latter is far more likely.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:40 AM
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10. It's BS because the real threat is this administration and ....
the lies and hatred they spew forward. You can't trust anything they say and knew when the shit hits the fan they are going to run for the hills.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #10
53. Word! THE REAL THREAT IS THE * ADMINISTRATION!
That should be shouted far and wide! Instead, we get people buying into the b.s.! Unreal!!!

When will it ever end....?

When we've lost our democracy and have to bow to King George?! :grr:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:40 AM
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11. The last two were BS.
I'm assuming this one is too until I hear strong evidence to the contrary.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:40 AM
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12. We're "stopping" terror plots over there, so we don't have to stop them
here.

I don't trust any of these bastards - PERIOD.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:42 AM
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13. They are ALL BS!
Why? Because it is MUCH more dangerous living in America with so much crime, police brutality and draconian laws, etc. than the threat of the occasional shoe bomber.


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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:43 AM
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14. Ned Lamont and the Winds of Change....
Can't have this Democratic good news against the incredible shrinking GOP mandates. Winds of Change. The mood of the country has awakened. End this fake war, end this larceny, lock up the perps (BFEE,ET AL.) still I am predicting a greater tragedy than 911 will occur before Nov allowing for scumbag bush to "suspend the elections until the world is once again safe"
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #14
42. Yes, there was real electricity in the air yesterday. You could feel
it on every network. They felt it too and they needed to do something to dampen the excitement. Our press is being led by the nose again. God these people are such rubes!!
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:43 AM
Response to Reply #14
104. Glad to see I am not the only one who thought this
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 03:44 AM by 48percenter
I was in Vienna when I happened to see CNN very early morning yesterday. My first thought was, oh what perfect timing...Lamont wins, Blair's in trouble at home, so the perfect solution?

TERRA, TERRA, TERRA!!!

I don't believe any of this fucking bullshit anymore; I start to become very cynical and think that if attacks do come, perhaps it is being perpetrated upon us by the desperate ship of fools. I never imagined a government would capable of such actions, (guess that's what I get for studying philosophy & logic in college) but it's time to end this fallacy that the American 'corprotocracy' has any of our best interests at heart.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:43 AM
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15. If it follows the usual arc, we'll find out in the next few days...
that the "terrorists" were actually a bunch of losers who spouted nonsense to an agent who was actually the source of most of the terror ideas.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:44 AM
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16. It's more than just is it real or not
It's about how great a threat was it really?

How much is it being sensationalized?

Was this the most eminent threat at the moment?

While they were working on solving this how many other new terrorist were created due to our tactics?

Are we really any better off today than we were yesterday?

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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:44 AM
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17. "it's a Lamont conspiracy!!! AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!"
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:47 AM
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18. It's like they take a damn M&Ms or Skittles bag
and just randomly pick out a M&M/Skittle and it just so happens that all these M&Ms/Skittles are either red or orange. And sometimes they're yellow, but not alot.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:49 AM
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20. Yes
And I am the farthest thing from a tinfoiler on DU. But this smells. The DAY AFTER the Lamont victory gets ripped apart in the media, in which all the propagandists talked up the importance of supporting the Chimp "on terra".

Daryl Kagan is frosting her rancid cookies right now over the prospect of her Chimp God speaking... She almost seems to regret there wasn't an attack of some kind. Ratings! Drama! Praising her beloved 34%-Approved Chimp!

:puke: This is the fakest "foiled terror attack" yet. Always look at the timing of these things!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:49 AM
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21. this board is disconnected from reality
See everyone next week.

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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:53 AM
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23. Discuss?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:00 AM
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25. el pretzeldente is disconnected from reality
Have a nice break.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:29 PM
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #89
94. There is this feature called "ignore"
Perhaps you should explore using it?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #21
31. Not all of us are...
Stick around. Lend some perspective.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #21
98. Hello
Disconnected much?

:-)
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:50 AM
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22. Not BS, but the news release was "timed" to be convenient. (NT)
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:01 AM
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27. because the right wing just shit in their pants over Lamont
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 11:01 AM by LSK
And the only thing they know how to do is run on fear.

TERRA TERRA TERRA!!!
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:05 AM
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29. Yup, that's the only explosive event I can think of
:)
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:03 AM
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28. I've learned there is no such thing as terrorism or terrorists.
Each "terrorism plot" that was foiled was a made up story in order to distract us from something else (in this case the Democratic primary election in CT) and every actual "terrorism act" that takes place (such as the World Trade Centers, the USS Cole, the British subway bombings, the tunnel bombings in Spain, the Pan-Am flight over Lockerby, etc, etc) are actually Rovian plots.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:07 AM
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32. I believe that it's an August surprise
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:29 AM
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37. They have abused our fear, and played into the hands of Al-Qaeda...
yes this was real, even if some of the previous plots were fake.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:43 AM
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39. We've reached the point where "homebrew" terrorism is rampant
Was this real? Oh, it doubtless had real components to it
(rather than being made up whole-cloth by a government
propaganda agency).

But we've reached the point where we've made sufficient people
worldwide hate us that Al Qaeda's work is completed. They've
created the franchise opportunity and now hundreds of groups
world-wide are off cobbling together ways to attack the West.
Some of these groups may succeed, but they're amateurs so most
will be bagged by the various police agencies pounding the
pavement looking for terraists.

And each time one of these bozo groups is bagged, we'll
hear from the Ministry of Propagandistic Bullshit that
another "Al Qaeda plot was foiled thanks to the vigilence
of Big Brother", err George W. Bush or his poodle Tony.
So (most of us) will stay appropriately terraized and
unquestioning of Big Brother or his raping of our rights
and wealth.

Like I said: Al Qaeda has achieved its main goal: to disrupt
the West through terrorism. OBL might as well retire to the
Caymans or something.

Tesha
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:46 AM
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40. I think this one was the real deal
Most other times it is posturing...but they arrested twenty and found stuff.


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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:51 AM
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43. I believe this. Also, I believe Eurasia and Oceania are actual nations.
:sarcasm:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:52 AM
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44. the ENTIRE "war" on "terror" is BS!
It's a neocon LIE!

They would have declared a war on jaywalking, but it sounds so much less scary.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:56 AM
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45. Katrina anniversary coming up in a couple of weeks. So, I vote "yea."
Anderson Cooper is gonna take off his handsome flak jacket, come home from the Middle East and point out how effed up New Orleans is a full year later.

Katrina anniv plus civil war in Iraq plus Condi is incompetent plus home foreclosures and bad job forecasts plus record heat/supertyphoon in China (ignored global warming warnings) equals TERRA ALERT!

So, yeah. I'd say this terra stuff is B.S.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:39 PM
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73. I tend to agree with you. The LAST thing they want is focus on real
issues regarding their incompetence.

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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:11 PM
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52. Its sad that this had occurred to most of us at some point.
I haven't made my mind up yet,the fact that we even consider this because of the past lies and the tendency to raise the terror threat regularly in the summer and fall of election years makes you wonder.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:13 PM
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54. not this one
I think.

Chill and see. It'll flesh out, one way or the other. The nation is in a proxy war with the Muslim world to a large extent, whether that's just a perception or not. I'm certainly alert to the possibility of some sort of reprisal directed against us or our interests and allies. To suppose otherwise would be like driving with eyes closed.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:17 PM
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58. How does anyone know it's not BS.? lot of reporting with no proof
a lot of talk, no actual substance except the reporting?!!

The Bojanka attack that was caught and elimated in the Clinton administration was reported on until 2 years after it happened.

All I think we'll be hearing is no further comments due to the ongoing investigation as this story fades into oblivion,

Before it was all talk and no action...
Now it's, all action and no talk -- where's the proof? show me the money!!
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:21 PM
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60. I have a feeling the truth is going to shock some of us when it comes out
And it will come out, soon.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:19 PM
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59. As much as I respect healthy skepticism and even cynicism when appropriate
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 12:22 PM by slackmaster
I have to say I think this one is for real.

ETA if 10 planes had been blown up over the Atlantic, surely some of the loudest voices crying "BS!" here would surely be blaming both the British and US national governments for not doing enough to prevent it.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:23 PM
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61. anyone who takes govt pronouncements at face value...
...is as much a danger to the planet as the govt itself.

the govt lies
until proven otherwise
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mystique Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:27 PM
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65. I don't know for sure...
But the "10" is kindda fishy to me.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:29 PM
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67.  "10" ? nt
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mystique Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:32 PM
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69. I meant 10 planes.
BTW, what does nt means ? Sorry to sound too ignorant.
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:59 PM
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84. "nt" means "no text". There's just a subject line.
People use it (as well as "eom" = "End of Message") to indicate that you don't need to click on the message. Saves a smidgen of time.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:26 PM
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63. This is a distraction
Cindy Sheehan is destroying Rethuglikkans in Texas. She must be overshadowed. I would not be surprised to find out that the people arrested are all robots.
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novalib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:27 PM
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64. UTTERLY and COMPLETELY BULLSHIT!!!!!!!
It's just the latest ploy of the Bush/Blair Cabal Regime in their War Against the People!

DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING THE BUSH/BLAIR CABAL SAYS!!!!!

THEY WANT TO MAKE US -- ALL OF US!! -- POWERLESS, BOOT-LICKING SLAVES!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:29 PM
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66. I Vote Yes... Thanks For The Poll!!!
The "timing" is so coincidental, and "the corrupt ones" will simply say..."Why would we do something like this so close to an election?" To them, it's a WIN, WIN! Can't prove anything right NOW, it WILL come out later, but it here we go again..... Get that FEAR "thingie" pushed, and push it HARD!!!!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:33 PM
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70. So 31% of DU believes the alert is not BS
That's about the same percentage of people in the country that still support George Bush. Interesting coincidence.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:47 PM
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77. you must be a SUPER DEMOCRAT
I recognize you by your ability to see through the internet and uncover the true identities of our posters through some numerical device.

Hail to you, noble DISCRIMINATOR!
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:41 PM
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75. Catapulting the fear
The cabal knows that the only way to control this country - or attempt to control this country - is through the use of fear. We're all aware of how they've used phony terror alerts in the past whenever they were in trouble. Lamont's win sent a message to the cabal: Voters have had it! The neocon reaction has been evident in the media since Tuesday night.

US media is hyping the fear non-stop today. Look at the comparison between US and Canadian reporting: www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=vi...
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:48 PM
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79. All we're getting is reports with no proof, nothing substantial
and tomorrow if they wanted? they could do the same thing from another location?
\
He said, she said that;'s all that's being reported, the same 14 second video loop from Britain with nothing changed, if they're not going to show who they caught? why report it to begin with? why state the exact number caught?

I remember a couple of years ago when Bush had New York on full alert because of intel/info that was 5 years old!

Bush has serious probs, Iraq Civil war about to break bigtime, Lieberman loses via the "Bush Kiss" -- November elections could very well elimante the GOIP controll in Washington... so! show me the freegin money I can't believe you anymore George...
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:53 PM
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81. I'm bored of terror alerts.
Terrorist threats are a big snooze. There have been too many false alarms, I've stopped caring whether this threat is real. Wake me up when it's over.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:57 PM
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83. Of course it's BS - they planned on blowing up Powerade???
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:14 PM
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87. Whoever started the Powerade rumor should be slapped.
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 02:15 PM by AZBlue
That was an irresponsible thing to do.

It wasn't Powerade. It was nitroglycerin or gasoline - some sort of explosive liquid - in a Powerade bottle. Big difference.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:00 PM
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85. I know some can sleep easier at night pretending these things aren't real
but they are deluding themselves. Yes, this administration is an abysmal failure when it comes to protecting us and they then turn around and use these situations to their own advantage, making their crimes two-fold. But, that doesn't mean these plans and plots aren't real. It's time to face the scary reality.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:02 PM
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86. Of course not
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 02:03 PM by Generator
It's not our feeble, inept, corrupt govermnent. It's Britain. They aren't total wankers like our government. Oh and YES there is a real threat from terrorists. How can DU'ers argue every day that Iraq and Bush's policies and Israel are making more terrorists and then deny the idea that some want to do Americans (or anyone they can, really) harm?

I guess all those terrorists we are making is just a nice line when you want to argue your point. The real terrorists will never show up.

Oh and the point of propaganda isn't that it's total lies-it always has some truth in it-that's why it works. 9/11 happened. Fear is real. There are radical muslims. There are crazy people. And of course the Bushfucks will use it every wrong, impossible way possible. Maybe now is the time for the Dem leaders to aks-how does being Iraq stop terrorists from getting on planes? NO one has ever asked that question. How do our soldiers dying this minute in Iraq trying to stop a civil war that will most defintely happen make me in Oregon safer? Iraq has nothing to do with making any of us safer. And they will use the threat of real terrorists to justify the war in Iraq or justify one in Iran. It's madness.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:18 PM
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92. I did not participate in this poll....
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 04:20 PM by Dorian Gray
and I am sadly disappointed to see so many believe that it's BS. Sure, the media saturation is circumspect, but the threat itself? Of course it's real.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:23 PM
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93. What if you think that
(A) There actually was a plot of some sort or another that was foiled, disrupted, or otherwise thwarted, but

(B) It probably had little or nothing to do with the supposed monolith formerly known as al-Qaeda, which I do think used to exist but has since been destroyed or disrupted into relative harmlessness, and

(C) It's being spun way, way the hell out of proportion either for political reasons or more down-to-earth sensationalism; in other words, it

(D) Should be viewed as the serious crime it could or may have been, but not the collapse of human civilization narrowly averted yet again by the Thin Colorofchoiceasnationallyappropriate Line?
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 06:32 PM
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96. 2 people asked me today: "have you heard about the latest hoax?"
Both moderate Dems. I think there's a lot of people out there who have gotten to the point that they are onto this gang.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 06:37 PM
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97. It's Bull Shit
I don't believe a single thing that I hear about 'terrorism'.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:48 PM
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99. I think it's real enough.
And the idea of exploding liquids is a clever one.

But of course it's being exploited, and our governments are still in denial about the real causes
of Arab anger.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:37 AM
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103. Where is "maybe"?
They can't lie about everything.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:34 PM
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105. Well, I had a long flight yesterday...
Pretty messy. Lotsa delays. Lost bags. But nothing unbearable. On the American Airlines plane, for the first time I noticed they had put little AA seals on all the vents underneath each seat on the plane; I assume to make sure nobody tampered with them. Sounds good to me.
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