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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:35 AM
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Why should we think the "terrorism" plot is not real ?
A million refugees. Bodies still buried under rubble. The stench of loved ones. Fear with each moment. Earth shaking and children crying. Why should we think a plot would not be hatched for some sort of retaliation or revenge? Would you not do the same? How difficult is it to put yourself in the shoes of a greiving mother? Is terrorism an action or a reaction?
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:38 AM
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1. Because making explosives ON the plane...
from the equivalent of hand lotion and drain cleaner is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.

There are 1000's of STINGER hand-held missiles that can be bought in any of the arms bazaars of the world. If I were a terrorist, ONE GUY with ONE HAND HELD MISSILE making a SURE THING SHOT sounds a lot more reasonable than making nitro in the toilet of an airplane in flight.
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Tinfoil Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:39 AM
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5. Pay attention


They aren't MAKING explosives from HAND LOTION OR DRAIN CLEANER (not that you could bring drain cleaner on a plane before). They would bring explosives on disgused as hand lotion, deoderant, contact solution, etc.

It's not that difficult to understand.

And a small bomb going off in a pressurized aircraft has a good chance of bringing it down. Hell, just as much as a stinger, if not more....
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:41 AM
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6. But why?
Would they want to do such a thing?
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:43 AM
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7. That's not what they were saying earlier
They were quite clear that they expected these 'terrorists' to purchase all the materials for their bomb at the airport concession stand.

There has been no mention of any actual bomb-making materials found at any of the 21 suspects homes yet.

Police have already said that there were no firearms found at their homes, either.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:53 AM
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9. Souinds like something out of the Batman movie
where mixing cosmetics together creates poisons.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:42 AM
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2. It's better not to do your logic backwards
Try, "Why should we think the terrorism plot is real?"

It's entirely possible that a lion might escape from the zoo and find itself outside my door. If I lived next to the zoo, it would even be more likely. However, if somebody tells me that there's a lion outside my door, I'm going to want some proof before I simply believe them, especially if the person telling me would profit somehow from my believing what they say.

If they said they had more than heresay evidence in this case, it would go a long way toward alleviating some of the skepticism. However, all they appear to have is 'somebody said that some guys were planning on doing something', and this is getting blown up into a trans-atlantic panic without a single gun or bomb being found. It IS possible these guys were planning something bad. However, that's a long way from actually trying to do it, and longer yet from being able to actually pull it off. In addition, those people telling me about the plot would profit from my believing them. Hence, I find myself skeptical without further evidence....



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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:10 AM
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4. Because there is a law of physics...
For every action, there is a like reaction. Is it really possible to defy the law of physics? Can we bomb a nation into fear and subservience and expect there to be no reaction? Can we invade another country and expect there to be no reaction? Can our troops rape and murder a 14 year old girl and expect there to be no reaction? A terrorist plot would be very plausible but not necessarily this "plot"...
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:42 AM
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3. At least 93,203 cynics in the world today....hard not to be...
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 09:43 AM by NRaleighLiberal
the tone of many, many of the threads on DU today is similar...but what the world must realize is that the poisonous climate of the past 6 years, the constant lies and deceit, is the root cause. We can't say for sure what this is all about - again, the current climate renders it impossible to trust any news source. The hypocrisy of it all ("we are the only ones who can make you safe...whoops, gotta raise a code red) is entirely of "their" doing.

And for those who haven't had their coffee, check the DU active membership number...
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:50 AM
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8. Mmm..let me see...
"Liberty Tower" plot foiled...
"Miami 7" plot foiled...
(UK) Stockwell shooting (Menenzez)
(UK) Forestgate shooting (250 police officers raid an innocent man's house)
(UK) "Red Mercury terror trial"

How the f*ck are we meant to know if they're telling us the truth when they lie, manipulate, exaggerate repeatedly?

If Blair & Bush were serious about protecting us they would stop saying F*ck off to the rest of the world and bombing and torturing people.


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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:37 AM
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10. Kentuck, there's a new anchor on MSNBC who just used Bush Bull Horn
Moment to describe how "out in front and in command this President is." (that's an exact quote from this guy) He then brought up Liberman loss in Ct. and said what will this mean for the future and here's Pat Buchanan to discuss it. Pat Buchanan then went into a political diatribe saying that the American people wanted to be safe, the Repugs are seen as making us safer and that one of the problems we have is not being able to torture these suspects to find out what they know...yadda, yadda, yadda...and I had to turn it off.

This is a little off from what your post was asking...and I didn't want to do another "MSNBC SAYS" post out in GD because I have two out there already....BUT, this new anchor on MSNBC (shaved head and glasses) immediately brought up Lieberman loss in CT, Democrats and then Bush's Bull Horn Moment plus how people see him so in charge of everything and then Pat Buchanan goes into a rant about Democrats.

I'm reminded of folks posting about DU conspiracy theorists and chiding folks who might think things are a little OTT with the timing and hype of this and then connecting it to Lieberman loss as :tinfoilhat: but what I just saw shows that it's being MADE POLITICAL just to give Bush More Power to Torture and Wire Tap and keep people in fear. MSNBC was being complicit with Repugs in that segment I just saw trying to connect Terrorists to Democrats weakness.

It's the same old script we've seen over and over with these people trying to save their butts from the war crimes charges that should be brought down on their head. We are being USED and there's no doubt our CABLE MEDIA is controlled by the Bushies as a Propaganda Machine.

It was really disgraceful what I saw and no matter what REAL threats there are it's hard not see how they are used to create panic and fear and control.

Anyway...I'm sure there will be real reaction (terrorists unleashed on GB & US) to this carnage Bush and Blair refused to stop in Lebanon and what they've made happen in Iraq by illegally invading...but they should be Stopped from USING the MEDIA's reporting any attack or plot against Democrats for political purposes of manipulation.

Horrible times we live in, but at least some of us here and there are connecting the dots and refusing to have our minds messed with by manipulation.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:43 AM
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11. The media seem to fall for the same trick over and over and over...
News is when something "happens" - not when it might have happened. Something smells about this whole story.
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