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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:24 AM
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Another Theory On Timing: Terrorists Want Repug Control Of The Government.
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 09:34 AM by DistressedAmerican
Dipping my toe back into the pool...

Anyone that has been paying attention to the timing of terror alerts has noticed how they seem to be heavily correlated to U.S. election cycles. Many have assumed based on this correlation that the majority of these alerts are simply propaganda from the right winger administration meant to scare the population into voting for repugs based on their self proclaimed "strong stance on security".

Another possibility occurs to me this morning: Terrorists WANT repugs in control of the country. The timing of terror plots could well be coordinated to serve as an election year boom for the very reactionary and belligerent repug power structure that has been so ineffective in fighting the threat.

Al Qaeda benefits from that crowd controlling things. They have done more to make the U.S. hated in the past five years than Bin Laden ever dreamed of. The neocon driven invasion of Iraq has become a quagmire that we are now tied to and which prevents us from dealing with a myriad of other pressing issues. The efforts to catch those responsible for the 9/11 attacks have floundered as we took our eye off of that ball for Saddam. Our bellicose rhetoric and saber rattling are making us new enemies and adding to terror recruitment everyday.

The worst possible scenario for Al Qaeda and other groups would be level headed and reasonable leadership in Washington. They would move rapidly to undo the Iraq entanglement, would refocus the search for Al Qaeda's leadership and generally present the world a more measured, thoughtful and honest face. We also favor measures for fighting the group that would actually be effective. Rather than blowing up Iraq to "prevent them from attacking us at home", we'd focus on disrupting attacks before they occur with sound police work and intelligence gathering. We'd put our people back on the trail of the organization full-time (the feds recently shut down their Bin Laden unit). Maybe even actually deal with port security, a total failure under Bushco leadership.

All bad for terrorists.

Anyone that doubts that Bin Laden loves repug control of the government need only look back as far as the tape he released just before the last election. Many believe that "october surprise" was enough to swing such a close election for Bushco. No doubt Bin Laden was fucking thrilled with the "results" of the election in question.

So there you have it, my new theory on the timing of these terror alerts and alleged plots to attack. As suspected, not an accident. But, possibly timing decided by the terrorists and not (don't beat me for saying it) Karl Rove.


Don't forget: Bin Laden Loves George Bush!

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:25 AM
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1. I thought these people were Brits.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:26 AM
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2. Brits can't be linked to Al Qaeda?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:40 AM
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5. True but why make the link now?
By the way, I do think the bush administration is doing exactly what the terrorist organizations want. It validates them and their cause which helps in recruitment.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:46 AM
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9. I do think the plot sounds like Al Qaeda's MO.
Multiple simultaneous targets, a plot amazingly similar to the plot hatched by Ramsi Youseff in the mid-1990's.

The reporting does not sound like 20 or 21 random home grown British terrorists. Frankly, that many people being involved argues against the home grown notion. A handful maybe. 20 or more. Far less likely.

If real, and I suspect it is, it does have many indicators of Al Qaeda type planning and execution.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:32 AM
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3. You're not the only one. This whole thing stinks to high heaven.
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 09:49 AM by TankLV
Just another one of "amazing cooincidences", no?!

Just when WE finally get to say NO! loudly to bush and his appeasers.

Just when "holy" joe and his White House War Criminals COOINCIDENTALLY chime in on the same page with the same "Democrats are weak on security", and in conjunction with the Whore Media "how awful for the "Democrat" (sic) Party - the far left loonies have taken over", etc, etc. "now they'll be appeasing the terra-ists" crap.

First thing that came to my mind.

The poodle is working overtime...

Sorry if others don't like it - that's the opnions I bet of a LOT of us.

As we've said, and been proven correct on countless times before, this seems WAY to convenient, WAY too convenient...

And besides, last nite, the BRITISH journalists were wondering why NOW - ALOUD - many times...

hmmm...

Amazing how the trains and busses are STILL so unprotected...
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:33 AM
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4. makes sense to me
The goal of Al Queda and Bush is to create destruction and disharmony, so they have the same goals. The team to find Bin Laden was dismantled.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:41 AM
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6. Sometimes things are exactly as they appear.
For the sake of argument, assume that this is a legit occurrence. It seems awfully elaborate not to be.

HOWEVER, if Demos are smart, this can be spun in our favor.

1. Bush has still increased the chances of plots like this

2. Iraq has increased the hatred toward the US/UK and therefore we will have to live with this kind of terror plot for a long time.

3. The lack of diplomatic vigor in the Middle East has made plots like this more likely.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:52 AM
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11. 4. They should have spent 1/1000th or less of the money they have spent
in Iraq to put in more sophisticated equipment and safeguards at airports to detect liquids, which is a no brainer. Democrats should be making this point too.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:57 AM
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13. add that, also
as many Democrats said... less in Iraq, more on Homeland Security.

I realize a lot of DUers don't agree...but there are people out there who want to mess with us
( although I don't think they are as sophisticated and organized as BushCo would have us believe)

Politically, pointing out incompetence and mismanagement is a good move IMO.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:27 AM
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18. Problem is Diplomacy=Appeasement
Anything short of a shotgun to the head and you may as well we kissing the terrorist's gold ring (that was the most PC way I could think of to put it).
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:31 AM
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24. Who said Bi-partisanship was "Date Rape"?
Here's how the dogma enforcer of the neo cons feels about diplomacy.

"If we let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now." Richard Perle
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:44 AM
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7. Well, since they "hate us for our freedoms" and *co is incrementally
destroying/dismantling those same freedoms... I suppose you're correct they want reThug control of everything. How astute!
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:46 AM
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8. Good point.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:51 AM
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10. Way'at brah!
:hi:

Glad to see you back. Let's see how long it takes for some wanker to rip on you for leaving and then coming back....3, 2, 1. :D

Also don't forget: Bushler loves Jeff Gannon!


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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:54 AM
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12. Just wading right now.
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 09:56 AM by DistressedAmerican
Seems the water temp has cooled a great deal since my last post.

Anyone that wants to take issue with my comings and goings around here has my wang to bite. I do as I please and post where I feel. Anyone that does not like that, can bite it.

Ya know?
:hi:
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MamaBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:02 AM
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14. Hi, DA. Welcome back.
At the risk of getting flamed, I'll just say again that as far as I'm concerned OBL is still on the *Co. payroll and has never been off.

Whether or not the guys the Brits have in custody are what they are accused of being is another story.

I'm so tired of trying to figure out who is manipulating me this week. I'm just tired.

Not too tired to get out and vote, however. Thanks for showing up again. That, by the way, is my MO. I just keep showing up. Sometimes it even works.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:05 AM
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15. I'm so tired of trying to figure out who is manipulating me this week.
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 10:11 AM by DistressedAmerican
You can fucking say that again. The manipulation is constant and I have to say a bit fucking irritating.

Can't we just take all of these assholes and put them in a cage with some chainsaws and let them have at it Mad Max style. Why the hell must we be involved? Can't we just spectate as they rip each other apart?

Good to see ya!
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:10 AM
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16. nothing happens my mistake with this bunch.
it has bush qaeda written all over it.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:18 AM
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17. You loony skeptic!
:D


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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:31 AM
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19. I agree. Bin Laden is not stupid, he knew the effect that tape would have
(it's called "reverse psychology" for any lurking Freeper twits) and BushCo and the neo-CON cabal are more then happy to assist and oblige OBL (in a "one hand washes the other" sort of way). They lie, manipulate information and happily try to take advantage of, and even help create, the fear factor since it gives them the power and money they lust for. HOWEVER... every time they cry "wolf" and every time a new "terrorist plot is uncovered or an attack occurs... many feel LESS safe. They sense that there's BS in the air but either can't or are afraid to find the real source. Over time many more will realize that it's BS, a "game" and they're played played as suckers. Once that occurs they get MAD... and then they go to the polls and "get even".

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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:32 AM
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20. Welcome back...
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 10:34 AM by Sammy Pepys
I don't think terrorists care who is in control of the US government.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:22 AM
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22. Thanks.
I believe that they care a great deal. When you have goals that one side will play right into and the other won't, you have a vested interest in who runs the American show.

IMO, Bush is the best tool in Bin Laden's box.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:10 PM
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25. And Bin Laden and Deibold are the best tools in Bushie's box.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:45 AM
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21. You are completely right...look at the Clinton years, versus the Bush ones
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 10:46 AM by originalpckelly
There were a number of terrorist plots during the Clinton administration, but they never crowed when they disrupted them.

The Bush people are using it for political gain, true, but the terrorists are quite well aware of that. They are also aware of the gains their organization has had the past few years Bush and his cronies have been in control. They have managed to make Americans so scared, they are willing to give up the freedoms hundreds of thousands of people have died protecting, without a second thought.

They have been able to "franchise" their organization, and now there are terrorist organizations around the world which use similar tactics, and the al-Qaeda brand, but are usually not directly controlled by al-Qaeda.

The have drawn America into a "quagmire" in Iraq, one which also decreases the general credibility of our nation in the world as well as increases the hatred of our nation in the Arab world.

This administration is pursuing the absolute worst "strategy" possible at this point in our nation's history, and quite frankly we may not win if this BS keeps on happening. Al-Qaeda knows that.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:30 AM
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23. There Is No Doubt That Is True, Mr. American
Indeed, it is not possible for me to improve on your comment here. My hat is off to you, Sir!
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 01:13 AM
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26. that's because "it takes one to know one" . . .
the biggest terrorists on the planet right now are BushCo and their friends . . .

the death and destruction they're raining down on the Middle East dwarfs anything Al Quada or any other terrorist group could ever conceive of, much less pull off . . .

I mean, shit -- they're blowing up whole countries! . . .
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