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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:18 AM
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ABC: U.S. Aware Of Plot For Days

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/videos500251.sh...

U.S. Aware Of Plot For Days

Jim Axelrod spoke with Press Secretary Tony Snow about the U.S.'s involvement in the British investigation of the alleged terrorist plot. Snow says President Bush has been aware of the plot for days.



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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:20 AM
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1. Oooops!
So why the red alert today? Waiting for the Brits?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:47 AM
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29. K&R this folks! Important!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:10 AM
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52. Waitin' for the neocon in CT to get flambeed.
That primary that is being discounted was a major event. It was a shift in the policital tectonic plates. A seismic event.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:21 AM
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2. That explains all the smirks at the press conference.
They were very pleased with the success of their staged media event.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:21 AM
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3. Another LIHOP?....n/t
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:29 AM
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10. How can it be LIHOP?
Nothing happened.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:30 AM
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11. Because the Brits didn't LIHOP...n/t
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:35 AM
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15. I'm sorry
I'm still on my first cup of coffee and my brain is still a bit fuzzy but I'm not following what your trying to say, could you please elaborate?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:37 AM
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17. Don't be sorry it all....
if you subcribe to the "let it happen on purpose theory", I'm not saying I necessarily do, just speculating, then you could say the Bush Administration knew about it, didn't do anything to stop it, but the British, in fact, did stop it.
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:39 AM
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22. OK, I see now
heh, I'm easily confused until I'm completely awake :)
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flashsmith Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:01 AM
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33. Sort of like that contaminated flu vaccine
British (secret?) agents stopped that vaccine from being distributed. Could have killed millions. One would hope the vaccine companies are as secure as fort knox these days given the potential to decimate the country. But the Bush administration hasn't shown competence in anything so I haven't felt safe getting a flu shot ever since.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:22 AM
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4. Of course, it took days to talk Blair into it. nt.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:24 AM
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5. I'm confused....
aware a couple od days.......

what if the terrorists carried out their "plot" a few weeks earlier............what if they succeeded?..........the people would have been totally unaware of this situation....like sitting ducks.......the heavy security is NOW in effect.....
why was it NOT in effect when the US found out about it....

and also.......these "terrorists" can come across our borders at any time....and cause mass explosions all over the country if they had a mind too........

just think about it
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:26 AM
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6. Yesterday when Snow
and other repugs were making absurd claims linking terrorism with liberal dems like Lamont, they knew this thing was about to break.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:26 AM
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7. it appears they did.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:28 AM
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8. Then why didn't they announce it before, to try and sway the election? NT
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:44 AM
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27. They didn't want to sway the election!
This is gold for them. Provides everything they need to demonize the left, who'd throw away the toughtest Senator on our side of the aisle. We obviously hate security, you know. This just proves it.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:02 AM
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34. You mean they didn't want to save their pal, Joe? Hard to believe.
(Personally, I don't believe this has anything to do with the CT election.)
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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:07 AM
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50. Maybe not, but Lamont can targeted as more lib than Lieberman...
Sure they knew and of course this will be spun in a way that suggest that Republicans should retain control regardless of everything else that's happened in the last several years. Slight-of-hand...
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:34 AM
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42. Bingo!
Makes sense.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:29 AM
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9. I KNEW IT!!! * was keeping us in the dark. SOB
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:32 AM
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12. This likely means Bush didn't know and is as surprised as the rest
of us.

He's too out of the loop to know in advance. He found out the same day the British Airlines did.
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Tulum_Moon Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:35 AM
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16. Of course he knew!
He was in on it. Is this all over shampoo bottles and hair gel? That is all I keep hearing on my TV.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:42 AM
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25. From reading the thread on the homepage it seems the
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 09:43 AM by izzybeans
airlines were also aware for days. I find it hard to believe that even the British press would sit on this opportunistically for Bush. I prefer the thesis he is out of the loop. The american press can run with anything they want. They'll be talking about explosive silly putty balls or something next. Right after the MattLaurBrigade finishes up their next infomercial segment. Handbags, get your handbags. Right here! They are in season! But wait a few weeks to take them on a British plane. k?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:34 AM
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13. Then the timing of the bust was a tactical decision. How many more are
they cooking up, and waiting to hatch at just the right moment?

I would be very surprised if the Bushite DHS-NSA-Special Ops people didn't have a central role in organizing this.

Does anyone else remember the "liquid explosive" trial-balloon that went up a few months ago in the media? My reaction at the time was, why in the hell is DHS telling everyone how to disguise explosives as shampoo?
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:35 AM
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14. He would have known about 9/11, too, for WEEKS not days, if he had read...
...that August 6th Presidential Daily Briefing.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:37 AM
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18. Amen!
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:39 AM
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19. The CIA knew who the principal 9/11 hijackers would be since 01/00.
See, Scoop: UQ Wire: THE CRIMES OF 9/11 (Part 4)In early summer 2001 , US officials received numerous warnings from domestic and foreign intelligence agencies that al-Qaeda terrorists planned ...
www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00257.htm
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:39 AM
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20. Just as they were probably aware of 9/11 for days?
But LIHOP?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:45 AM
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28. They knew about the 9/11 plot for 18 months
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 09:49 AM by leveymg
It was planned at an al-Qaeda summit in Kuala Lumpur that was attended by Atta's roommate and the Flt. 77 hijackers. The CIA videotaped the whole thing and then followed the Flt 77 hijackers as they entered the US on 01/15/00 - the FBI liason at the CIA Counter-Terrorism Center was ordered not to send a cable about their entry to the FBI National Security Office in NY.

The Agency and a couple foreign intel agencies illegally monitored the plot inside the US without obtaining FISA warrants. For some reason we don't understand yet, that surveillance was relaxed enough in the late summer of 2001 so Atta and the gang could carry off the plot that the Agency had told the Bushites about much earlier. See the link below for all the details, citations, sources, links.

See, Scoop: UQ Wire: THE CRIMES OF 9/11 (Part 4)In early summer 2001 , US officials received numerous warnings from domestic and foreign intelligence agencies that al-Qaeda terrorists planned ...
www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00257.htm

Mark
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:39 AM
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21. You know the worst part about this? It means that people who
fly will have to go around with dirty hair or with rough chapped hands.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:40 AM
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23. Ha-ha-hhaa-have s-s-ss-some m-m-mmm-more kkkool-ai-ai-aid!
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:42 AM
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24. So they knew for days but only now change the FAA rules re carry on?
Hmmm. didn't they put us all at risk then?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:47 AM
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30. Exactly.
Why wait unless they suddenly came by some new information. The plot was foiled. Take proper precautions without going overboard when the Brits go public.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:55 AM
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31. What I mean is that it must not be that big of a threat
if they could wait days to impose new rules. If it were that pressing they would have at least raised the threat level.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:57 AM
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32. My thoughts as well.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:23 AM
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40. Good question.
Perhaps a good reporter will ask our spokesperson?
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:43 AM
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26. That is why I don't believe them.
EVERY TIME we have one of these "convenient" alerts which takes all of Bush's problems off the news, we find out about mid-day that this is something they've know about for weeks or months. Every time. It is never, ever as urgent as they make it first appear. And it is always the day or two after bad news hits BushCo.

It is just too coincidental. Fool me once...fool me twice...fool me 5724 times...won't get fooled again.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:17 AM
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35. They Why No Searches @ Airports Until Today????
this is another marketing ploy to get "maximum" TV exposure and play up the fear factor.

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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:19 AM
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36. more info:

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/WBT005759.htm

<snip>

Bush talked on the telephone with British Prime Minister Tony Blair about the plot on Sunday and Wednesday, Snow told reporters traveling with Bush to Wisconsin.

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mystique Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:20 AM
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37. Sorry...
But are you guys hinting that this too is all staged for the sake of rating ??
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:22 AM
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38. I am just relaying the info, it's up to you how to interpret it
welcome to DU, btw
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:23 AM
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39. Remember the plane to Boston from Heathrow turned back on
Tuesday because a passenger was on the no-fly list? But he was released after questioning and was "of no interest to counterterrorist officers."

Probably just a coincidence, though, right?

Banned Kurd on flight sent back by US agents
By Stewart Tendler

A FLIGHT to the United States was ordered to turn back over the Atlantic by American security agents because a Kurdish passenger was named on a no-fly list, US officials said yesterday.

After the American Airlines flight touched down at Heathrow, the man, his mother and his two sisters were questioned by Special Branch officers then released without charge.

Yesterday, as American Airlines completed arrangements for the other 236 passengers to reach the United States, police said that the man was not wanted in Britain and of no interest to counterterrorist officers.

<snip>

Yesterday neither the airline nor the transport authority would discuss the reasons behind the decision.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2304802,0...



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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:33 AM
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41. They just had to bid their time in case Lieberman lost the primary
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 10:33 AM by Julius Civitatus
Red alert, red alert. Joementum down, I repeat, Joementum is down. Bring red alert, pronto!
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mystique Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:41 AM
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45. Thanks, sabra.
I know, but I am just wondering the general idea here. I think so too, way before I read that article. But then again I always wonder if I have a "conspiracy" illusion.
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:39 AM
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43. Video not working for me...
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:41 AM
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46. try this
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:39 AM
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44. Oh, i'm sure it's just an innocent coincidence.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:42 AM
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47. Of course they were - wanted to use it as a scare tactic for Joe L's loss
Seriously, DIck Cheney said that Joe Lieberman losing would enable more terrorists.

Now he can sleep at night knowing this
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:54 AM
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49. There was a lot of momentum yesterday. Progressives definitely
out in full force. They were saving it to dampen the enthusiasm!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:21 PM
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54. Did he really?
:wtf:

Nothing so low these guys won't stoop to... http://derenegade.blogspot.com/2006/08/im-sure-theres-r...
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:43 AM
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48. What's happening between Israel and Lebanon today?
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 10:44 AM by Hubert Flottz
Israel was going to send another 5,000 troops into Lebanon today. They were swearing that the Israelis killed soldiers from Iran today. There is nothing else on TV besides the Terra Lert!
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negativenihil Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:08 AM
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51. So we were just going to let this happen?
Gee...
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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:17 AM
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53. Wow! Really!! Not OUR government!!! Give me a F@%king break!!!
I offer this prayer... please, please, please let the voters of this country see this and all else that has happened since 2000 for what it is rather than what it is represent to be...

Give G W Bush the gift of a Democratic Senate and House and let the hearings begin.
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:33 PM
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55. Kick this one hard!
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:34 PM
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56. Right... Our intelligence knows everything... Except where Osama's at.
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