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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:02 AM
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*V for Vendetta*
It's out on dvd now. Rent it. Buy it.
But please don't swallow this load of bullshit day in and day out.

I woke up to 5 CNN "Breaking news" alerts in my inbox. Fuck! I'm tired of living this way. I'm sick and tired of TerrA. We work all our lives in pursuit of happiness and we're made to be pawns of motherfuckers who'll never honestly give a shit about our lives. We're all just collateral damage.

Fuck this!

We seriously need to get our shit together and stop waiting for these so called "leaders" to save us. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO.
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Dissenting_Prole Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:04 AM
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1. Why the distraction?
What's happening today that they don't want us to notice?
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:05 AM
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3. Good question, although I suspect it's their fear over
what Lieberman's loss on Tuesday really means -- that they are losing their grip on our throats.
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:06 AM
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5. Why does it have to be about today? Or yesterday
for that matter. They've been working on us for years. Perhaps all this terra-terra today is about what we're supposed to remember tomorrow or a week from now.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:08 AM
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6. I Have Heard Many Say the Opposite
Guess I'll have to see it for myself, and I would hope others would do the same.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:09 AM
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:15 AM
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14. You stink.
n/t
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:17 AM
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16. you are the very first I have heard say that
oh well it came in 18th highest box office this year. Apparently you are in the minority.

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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:06 AM
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4. Alternativey if you are adults and not of childlike intelligence
you might purchase the graphic novel and read that. It's far more unsettling and intersting.

V for Vendetta is like Red Dawn for liberals - confirms a child like mythologized view of our belief system, and so is enjoyable for us.

It is well made, and has some great scenes, though.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:10 AM
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9. 1984...
:shrug:
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:16 AM
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15. 1984 is ok but not #1 on my list of books to recommand
Brave New World is better and closer to what we are actually experiencing here in the United States.
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:24 AM
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18. Personally I think the US is becoming more closer
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 09:26 AM by MikeNearMcChord
to the world of Terry Gilliam's Brazil, than Orwell, but then again maybe a mix of both.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:59 PM
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29. Throw`in Aldous Huxleytoo. n/t
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meldroc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:55 PM
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24. ++ to the graphic novel...
I especially enjoyed what V did to Prothero (the Limbaugh-like propaganda guy, the Voice of Fate) in the graphic novel.

It does explain a few things that the movie does not.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:28 PM
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27. Hey, I liked "Red Dawn"
Sure, it's looks like an infomercial for Soldier Of Fortune/NRA, but it's still a pretty decent flick.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:09 AM
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8. I want to know how it got an R rating
I have watched it 4 times now and I see no justification for the R rating at all. No sex and the violence doesn't even equal the gruesome level of some scream flicks I have seen rated PG-13.

I can only guess it was done so the young impressionable crowd is not targeted. Too bad, I let my 12 year old boy see it with me.
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negativenihil Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:14 AM
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13. The torture and acts of terrorism are probably why...
I mean really, Evey gets tortured, and V blows up a bunch of shit - not to mention the graphic knife fighting scenes.

*shrug*

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:19 AM
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17. lets see, abu ghraib photos, us secret prisons, shock and awe
Israel bombing the crap out of Lebanon, Dead babies, all of that seen on my TV. :eyes:
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:41 AM
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35. They said the F word n/t
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CrazyForKucinich Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:11 AM
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10. Top 5 movie of mine...a must see.
5. V for Vendetta
4. Gattaca
3. Bulworth
2. Before Sunset(watch Before Sunrise first though)
1. The Beach

1-4 In case you're looking for a good movie to watch sometime soon. :)
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:12 PM
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25. these are some of mine. Coen Bros. rock.
ones I can see over and over again and still be amused.

O Brother Where Art Thou
The Big Lebowsky
Fargo

un coen:

Titanic (yeh, call me names, but I thought for what it was, it was well done spectacularly)
The Reflecting Skin
Shallow Grave

and tons more I forgot, but it's a start.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:12 PM
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32. "The Beach" or "On the Beach"? n/t
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CrazyForKucinich Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:38 AM
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34. The Beach
Too damn deep.

And yes, I read the book, which is also damn deep.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:13 AM
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11. Got and watched it for the first time last night
Totally empowering.

"Vi veri veniversum vivus vichi"

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
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Dissenting_Prole Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:25 PM
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20. Did you see yourself in the dominoes?
I recognized several people I know.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:13 AM
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12. Just watched over last weekend. GREAT MOVIE.
Repukes are going to much like it though.

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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:49 AM
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19. V for Vendetta is one of the best movies I have seen in years.
Inspiring. It represents not where we are at now, but where we can end up. This movie was emotionally overpowering and I found myself moved to tears by Natalie Portman's last line. A great, moving ending. I was also very moved by the backstory of the lesbian couple. I have been a supporter of gay/lesbian rights, but maybe in an abstract way. The love this couple had for one another really went to my heart.

If you have not seen this movie, please see it and watch it again and again. There is a lot of great dialog that may take more than one viewing to catch. Use the subtitles, but watch it again anyways.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:34 PM
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21. That does it - I'm renting it this weekend nt
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:43 AM
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36. I loved it too
I did have a grumbly about the torture scene that I wanted to ask, I but don't want to be a spoiler for anyone left who hasn't seen it.
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:38 PM
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22. I tried to rent it last week but they were out of them!
Thanks for reminding me that I need to try again.
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Constitution Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:38 PM
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23. Best movie about Bush & Cheney ever made.
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maalak Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:13 PM
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33. the original is actually more a reaction to Thatcher's England...
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:24 PM
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26. More reasons to see this great film
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_%28film%29

Several conservative Christian groups were critical of the film's negative portrayal of a theocracy and sympathetic portrayal of homosexuality and Islam. Ted Baehr, chairman of the Christian Film and Television Commission, called V for Vendetta "a vile, pro-terrorist piece of neo-Marxist, left-wing propaganda filled with radical sexual politics and nasty attacks on religion and Christianity".link Don Feder, a conservative columnist from Frontpage Magazine has called V for Vendetta "the most explicitly anti-Christian movie to date."link Meanwhile, LGBT commentators have praised the film for its positive depiction of gays, with writer Michael Jensen calling the film "one of the most pro-gay ever".link

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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:45 AM
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37. Thanks for the interesting links!
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 03:55 PM
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28. you're giving V for Vendetta more props than it deserves
a simplistic, feel good morality tale - V was a preposterous cartoon figure with endless financing, endless technical knowledge, endless access to subway train parts, endless strength, etc.

how exactly does a train packed with explosived destroy a 4 block long building so that it looks like a controlled demolition, complete with FIREWORKS?

it was entertaining, but not particularly insightful or edifying. just like the matrix. it won't stick with you like true art.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:52 AM
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39. I disagree...
It worked on many levels and when viewed with a critical eye, one might appreciate that the major antagonists and protagonists were all a mixture of conflicting complex emotions that left it up to the viewer to decide.

Add to that the wonderful dialogue in V's alliterations, I felt it was a kick-ass (sorry for the technical term there) movie.
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:06 PM
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30. Over 500 positive reviews at IMDb
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/externalreviews


"V FOR VENDETTA" will revive your faith in Hollywoods ability to create a topically relevant, philosophically expansive and emotionally powerful film. With gay characters playing central and illuminating roles as social commentators and mythic inspiration, "V" becomes one of the more honest and frightening films that includes the gay experience in a vision of social distopia.

...

In every scene, Andy and Larry Wachowski (the brothers behind "The Matrix" trilogy) deliver a scathing indictment of the current U.S. government. References to Abu Ghraib, color-coded terrorist warnings and religious fanaticism pockmark every frame of the film, creating an Orwellian atmosphere that sheds an unforgiving light on American culture.

Houston Voice


Damn good summation.

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maalak Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:12 PM
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31. if you guys really want to get serious about your dystopian literature...

check out We, by Yevgeny Zamyatin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_%28novel%29

:)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 08:46 AM
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38. So are YOU going to get a Guy Fawkes mask and some throwing daggers?
"stop waiting for these so called "leaders" to save us"
Son, there's a reason why it was in the funny papers....
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