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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:38 AM
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Are these the only 'facts' in this UK terror arrest?
A) The UK Gov't says they arrested 21 people in their homes last night in the UK.
B) They say that there was a plot, but so far there is no indication of how developed this plot was.
C) There have been no reports of actual explosives being found yet, just apparently plans to use explosives.
D) Nobody was actually on a plane, or in an airport, when these arrests occurred. All of them were at home, asleep.
E) Police say they have found 'interesting items' during the raid, but no reports of actual weapons, bombs, etc...

Is that it? Are these the only facts as we know them so far?

(if you know more, I'd appreciate a link. This is all I've been able to find this morning).
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:42 AM
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1. There are no facts
just remember to be very afraid
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:43 AM
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2. Maybe they were part of that florida group?
Ya Think?
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:52 AM
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6. I am shocked
yes, Shocked that we don't know all the details yet....

Sorry, ranting a bit this morning....

this crap is really starting to piss me off and thinking about all the jerkoffs sitting around the u.n. figuring out how to make a buck from all the death and destruction just makes me want to vomit.

everybody wrings their hands and then picks a political side while women and children are being murdered

i hate this administration, i hate all the terrorists, i hate the islamofascists that can't live peacefully beside the jews but most of all i hate the people that feel their political position is enhanced when the opposition accidentally or incidentally kills innocent people
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:44 AM
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3. That's about it so far
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:47 AM
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4. I wouldn't downplay this
I was in London for the subway bombing the other year and I lived in the UK for four years while doing my PhD in Glasgow (from Shankhill to Canary Wharf). I can tell you that the British have had long experience dealing with terrorism, and, aside from shooting the occasional innocent man, they do a fairly professional job. They've had the experience that this country simply hasn't had. I'd hold off on saying stupid things until they put more of the story out.

They don't have the same rules as the US. The press doesn't behave in the same way, so don't expect it. Just wait and see what happens.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:52 AM
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5. Is it stupid to ask what the facts are?
Here in the US, they are playing this like they caught the guys as they were getting onto the planes with bombs.

And it's not as if all the 'experience' the UK police have with terrorists doesn't mean they don't make mistakes. Sometimes horrible mistakes. Ask Jean Charles de Menezes.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:54 AM
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7. Aside from "shooting the occasional innocent man"?....
I would say shooting and killing the occasional innocent man is pretty serious and inept. I'm sure you wouldn't want it to be you.
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:20 AM
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12. Me neither
that whole thing was pretty fucking shocking.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:04 AM
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19. Absolutely shocking
they basically executed the poor guy.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:56 AM
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8. Very true
The timing sniffs a little, but I'm taking this one seriously (though not freaking out seriously) until proved otherwise.
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:58 AM
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10. good advice!!
I'm not saying that I believe this threat is real but I certainly give the Brits much more credibility than if this had come from the US!
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:57 AM
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9. Reminds me of Miami
and the alledged PLOT down there..
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:17 AM
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11. Don't expect too many more 'facts', for legal reasons
English law is far stricter than American law about prejudicing trials. If the police start talking about potential evidence to the media, then jurors can get rejected because they've been biased by hearing the police case outside the controlled system of the court. If many of those arrested are released without charge, this also helps not to make the police so foolish, handily.

But there are some rumoured details - that the targets were American airlines (American, United, Continental, I think). The arrests were mainly in London, but also High Wycombe (just outside London), and Birmingham. Those arrested are mostly, if not all, British.

BBC link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778575.stm
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:23 AM
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13. Faux News is saying that all the ingredients for Liquid Terror(tm)...
may be purchased at any airport, so, of course, they wouldn't expect to find explosives!

You just can't make this shit up.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:26 AM
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15. Like what? A can of Pepsi and a bag of 'Pop Rocks'?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:27 AM
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16. Shhhh....the terrorists are watching....
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 08:29 AM by Junkdrawer
Loose lips, man.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:24 AM
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14. Threat Level Red! Duct tape your butthole shut, and wrap yourself

in plastic sheeting! Seriously, I saw it on Fox this morning!

But seriously: Facts? That implies rationality. The fear level will only increase until about the second week of November.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:31 AM
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18. OMG Spew!
:spray: :coffee: Best thing I've read all morning! :rofl:
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:31 AM
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17. May I remind you.....
That the British Police found 'interesting items' during the raid on the house in Forest Gate a few months back.......which later turned out to be nothing.
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