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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:23 AM
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Poll question: I call Bullshit on this foiled terror plot, who is with me?
I ain't buying this chicken little bullshit about foiled terror plots. Look at the timing, look at the press conferences, look at the bushmedia, this is all bullshit designed to keep us focused on the fear.

But, maybe I'm wrong, I have been before.

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:25 AM
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1. "That's a hypothetical, and i refuse to deal with hypotheticals"
how do you like them apples, huh?

Where is condi during this latest exercise, anyway? On her knees in Texas?
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:25 AM
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2. well, I couldn't vote with the options given
I think SOMETHING was disrupted...but...the official story? Nah, I never really believe that...

sP
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:25 AM
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3. First Nomentum goes down in flames
then bush* has worst quarter of any pres since his poppy.

It'll be all terror all the time until Nov. Geez they're so predictable it's pathetic.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:56 AM
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53. You seriously think this has to do with Lamont wining a primary
Really? You say that with a serious face?!

(shaking head)
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:26 AM
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4. I'm not so sure.
After watching the entire British press conference, I wonder what the motivation of those specific people would be to lie for bush and blair. I just don't know.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:27 AM
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7. Their motivation: protect their phoney baloney jobs.
Harumph, harumph.

The entire world is starting to look like a scene from a Mel Brooks movie.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:30 AM
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11. I'm not ready to call bullshit on the entire thing yet.
I'm a skeptic, but I haven't heard enough to believe it's all part of an elaborate bush/condi/blair/cheney scheme. Even though it seems otherwise at times, their influence only extends so far.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:51 AM
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29. That's Obvious
They have overstepped in every way on every front, and they need to look like they're accomplishing something.

This smells like the "shoe bomber" story. An idiot lights a match on a sealed plane, doesn't expect anyone to smell that, to ignite a fuse on a device that was never tested, that later even experts with detonators could not make explode.

So, just because some dumbass talks about making a bomb and putting it on a plane, doesn't mean there was really any threat. Could be just some idiots making noise about how tough they are. That doesn't make them right, mind you. Talking about blowing up innocent people is stupid and wrong. But, talking about it and having the ability to actually do it are two VERY different things.

So, they trumpet this thing to the heavens about how "efficient" and "successful" they are, but there is no real evidence to the public that these buffoons had any hope of carrying out this hairbrained plan.
The Professor
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:08 AM
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35. I'm with you
Just because someone is foolish enough to concoct a scheme like this doesn't mean there was even a remote possibility it could have worked.

I do think Bush/Blair and the neo-cons are ratcheting this incident up to make it seem much more of a threat than it actually was.
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:26 AM
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5. I call possible bullshit
I'm sitting on the fence. We'll find out soon enough, don't worry. If the media don't tell you, I will.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:36 AM
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61. My position too. First thing I did was check the polls; no major
movement there.

I think there was a plot of some kind, but the magnitude of it I find questionable.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:27 AM
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6. Hmmm. LOOKS like Bullshit.
SMELLS like Bullshit. FEELS like Bullshit. *Smack* TASTES like Bullshit. OMG! It IS Bullshit! Good thing we didn't step in it!

:argh:
dbt
Remember New Orleans

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:28 AM
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8. Isn't it a shame we live in a country where
you never know what is real or isn't?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:28 AM
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9. How many believe no one was killed on 9-11 by terrorism?
I know there are quite a few at DU who don't believe that was an act of terrorism. In that case I wouldn't expect them to believe in any of the subsequent threats at terrorism acts either.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:34 AM
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19. Believing terror plots exist isn't really the question.
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 07:34 AM by mmonk
A dishonest government that uses psyops is the question. Of course there will be real ones. It's not knowing which are real and which are manipulation is the question.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:28 AM
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10. I believe there was a plot to blow up passenger jets, yes.
I fully expected this. Terrorists WERE foiled years ago, planning to blow up 12 jumbo jets simultaneously; a bombed Phillippines plane was "practice". The French foiled a plot to dive-bomb the Eiffel Tower with a 747. There WAS Pan Am 103.

Summer is just the season for it (well, when it isn't Christmas), even if we do it to ourselves (TWA 800).
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:39 AM
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25. But Wasn't It Condi That Said We Couldn't Have Anticipated Anyone....
to use a plane as a bomb? or something like that?
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:30 AM
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12. my theory-something bad must have gone down in Iraq.
either lots of casualties,or resurgence in violence in areas we have pulled out.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:31 AM
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13. i don't buy it
but they could always have some accompanying firworks to finish scaring the bejeesus out of us.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:31 AM
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14. I dunno...withholding judgment seeing as how I just woke up. nt
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Lowell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:31 AM
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15. I think its total bullshit
they are banning all liquids except baby formula. That means anything, shampoo, aftershave and bottled water are now considered dangerous liquids. Give me a break.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:36 AM
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20. I suspect...
...that they don't trust low-paid airport security goons to know the difference between shampoo and whatever "liquid explosive" was supposedly involved.

On the other hand, I got a good chuckle out of it... Strangelovian "precious bodily fluids" and all... :)
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:32 AM
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16. they are trying to take the spotlight off of Lieberman
loss. What a major sham.

They are never in a hurry to share with the public. They had Jill Carroll's captors for 1 month and didn't announce it until yesterday.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:38 AM
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23. Really?
Lieberman was running for parliament in the UK? I had no idea!
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:33 AM
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38. Yes really
Maybe this did happen in London. However our fearless leaders didn't need to make a big hoopla about it. Why didn't they get on the ball like that with Katrina? We have cartoon characters running the country.
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:33 AM
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17. Wait a week or two, as usual, and the details will come out
Always the same with the last string of "foiled terror plots": huge media hoopla, lots of fearmongering.... then a week or two later they reveal it wasn't exactly as announced. I'm skeptical until I hear more from other sources as well.
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:33 AM
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18. Wait a week or two, as usual, and the details will come out
Always the same with the last string of "foiled terror plots": huge media hoopla, lots of fearmongering.... then a week or two later they reveal it wasn't exactly as announced. I'm skeptical until I hear more from other sources as well.
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Truthy Nessy Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:38 AM
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24. Agreed
Look at the Toronto "raid"...it turned out to be a sting on some young big mouths from the Caribbean. And the same for the Miami one. I don't believe anything the USA and UK say. They want to rule by fear.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:36 AM
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21. too early for me to tell, but either way, they'll use it to attack Iran
I think its being taken advantage of, the announcement, for political gain, but I also think we have made some substantial headway in creating new enemies. I would not be surprised if there are more terra plots. Its not like we're winning hearts and minds in the world.
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:50 AM
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28. One thing is for sure..........
this "plot" we'll be used to the fullest by the administration. Political expediency is a specialty of theirs.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:38 AM
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22. Horse shit, big time! nt
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:44 AM
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26. Whereas I can believe a bunch of shmucks can get together and put
together some wishful plan to bomb airplanes which they could probably NEVER pull of in the first place, I question the TIMING of this announcement and the resulting panic and all the news conferences. This is a bunch of BUSHIT! Clear as day! One day AFTER LIEberman war monger lost the primary and the day before bush is to launch his campaing for future losers!
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:45 AM
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27. Distraction...
distraction...distraction...

So many balls flying in the air at one time:

Iraq
Israel/Lebanon
Election Fraud
Republican support of Lieberman

etcetera...etcetera...etcetera....

It is all bullshit!

***************
This is a wonderful, informative site. Check it out...

http://home.ourfuture.org/straighttalklive/20060809.htm ...
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:52 AM
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30. I suspect it was probably a real plot. We need to wait and hear the facts
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 08:06 AM by Douglas Carpenter
To have faked a plot of this scale would have required the cooperation of a very large section of the British civil service which is more sheltered from politics than the American system. I find that unlikely.

The fact that the news of this plot will be used by the demagogues of the "war on terror" is another matter.

But I think we need to wait and see what facts come out later.
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:56 AM
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31. Do I think some buffoons had some plans
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 07:57 AM by Puglover
to blow up planes? Sure. Do I think that Poodle and the Idiot and their lapdog media will hype it unendingly. Hell yes.

On a serious note, can you ever imagine an 8 hour flight IN COACH without your Ipod?

:scared:
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:59 AM
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32. Why not wait until we know more before...
making rash judgments?

It may be bullshit, but it's a breaking story and we just don't know enough.

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salitine Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:02 AM
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33. BBC didn't say they were set to ATTACK today. You're falling for it.
Only reason we felt the twin towers was cause it happened to alot of rich, white, republicans. Preemptive? The day after Leiberman loses? Pah, they knew of them for weeks. they didn't say their plot was set to go today, did they? They were set to make arrests today, AFTER the Leiberman loss, like we vote for a democrat, and terrorism WILL GETCHA!
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:04 AM
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34. yeah i'm a real dumbass alright
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salitine Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:08 AM
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36. Leiberman's loss. EEEK! TERRORISTS!
Convinent. Wasn't ready to go. Yeah, republicians used this AFTER Bushes lil' lap-puppy took a loss. OH ZOWEZ!!! Voters don't like one of Bush's bitches! Quick! Arrest some terrorists!
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:28 AM
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37. kik
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:36 AM
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39. The Neocons are running scared........GO TO CODE RED!
Ned Lamont's win is making all the pro-war Neocons and Lieberman Vichy Democrats scared. Although we do not know all of the facts with today's events, the timing of it all is so suspect. Does anybody agree the timing of this is somehow odd?


John
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:37 AM
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40. Whateva it is it's bullshit if they said it.
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dmosh42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:42 AM
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41. When Bin Laden calls it, then maybe I'll believe them!
It's so bad now in our credibility dept, we need the confirmation from the 'head murderer'.
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eachsmallcandle Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:44 AM
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42. definitely BS
i mean, nobody hates the US now, duh. if anything, they were going to stuff the planes with flowers and candy. geez, terrorism is just a fairy tale.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:45 AM
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43. I call bullshit because * didn't take precautions sooner...
That the brits found out about it and took action. How long was * going to keep the people of the United States in the dark? Pisses me off.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:48 AM
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62. The BRITS didn't take precautions sooner, either!
They say they've known about this for months, and that they've had an undercover agent in the group for a year. So why didn't they thwart the plot in time to make shutting down the airports unecessary?

I believed the story simply because the Bush monarchy hadn't come up with it. But England has their Dubya in Tony Blair, and now the story is unraveling faster than a stripper costume.

:headbang:
rocknation
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:47 AM
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44. I am not surprised there is another terrorist plot against our country...
The President has fucked up big time, and our country will only realize it in hindsight.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:14 AM
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45. I think the police think it's genuine
because the restrictions on hand luggage have completely screwed up Britain's airports, in the middle of the vacation season. Literally hundreds of flights have been cancelled. There's a lot of seriously pissed off people, and if they find out the police didn't have good reasons for it, the police will look complete idiots - and they've looked imcompetent since killing de Menezes, and then even more so at Forest Gate.

If it was just a ruse to turn up the fear and uncertainty a bit, they've had announced the arrests, and told people to be careful. The police may be wrong, but they wouldn't do this just for PR reasons. They can't afford to make things up at the moment.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:30 AM
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46. terror within
who let the neocons out?
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:40 AM
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47. Major BS...
Just enough detail to let you know that it just almost like some 12 year old plot. Route it through the Brits (remember the yellow cake documents) to reduce skepticism and trot them out first. Give Skeletor a microphone and let him put the meter to red. Bring two nations to a standstill.

My husband called me from work and asked me if I had heard about this. He said, "This is BS, everyone says it's BS. Lieberman losing scared them alot. They had to do something and I bet they've had this one in the back of the drawer for a while in case of an emergency. Lieberman made the emergency."

They don't even wait til October for surprises any more.
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Bjornsdotter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:51 AM
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51. Route it through the Brits...

I agree, total BS.

Cheers
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:32 AM
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60. Quite a lot of detail, and a lot of arrests

I am sceptical that they were able to put this together so quickly in the wake of the Lieberman loss.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:41 AM
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48. B-b-bb-bull sh-sh-shh-shhit
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:43 AM
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49. Max Deadroom
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:46 AM
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50. I call bullshit on the conspiracy theorists, implying this is all madeup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bojinka

In 1994, Yousef and Khalid Sheik Mohammed started testing airport security. Yousef booked a flight between Kai Tak International Airport in Hong Kong and Chiang Kai Shek International Airport near Taipei. Mohammed booked a flight between Ninoy Aquino International Airport near Manila and Kimpo International Airport near Seoul.

The two had already converted fourteen bottles of contact lens solution into bottles containing nitroglycerin, which was readily available in the Philippines. Yousef taped a metal rod to the arch of his of foot in place of the detonators. Yousef and Mohammed wore jewelry and clothing with metal to confuse airport security.

On December 11, 1994, Yousef built another bomb, which had one tenth of the power that his final bombs were planned to have, in the lavatory of the aircraft and left it inside the life jacket under his seat, 26K, after he got off the plane from a flight that arrived in Cebu. Yousef had boarded the flight under the assumed name of Armaldo Forlani, using a false Italian passport. The aircraft was Philippine Airlines Flight 434 using that aircraft on a Manila to Narita route. Yousef had set the timer for four hours after he got off the aircraft. The bomb exploded while the aircraft was over Minami Daito Island, near Okinawa, Japan. A Japanese businessman named Haruki Ikegami was killed after the bomb detonated. The Boeing 747-200 safely made an emergency landing in Naha, Okinawa. None of the aircraft's other 272 passengers or any members of the crew were killed, although 10 passengers in front of Ikegami were injured. Yousef then planned which flights to attack for Phase I.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:56 AM
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52. Claiming that this is *anything* to do with Lieberman losing

is ridiculous.

If they were going to go to all of this trouble, why not do it a week earlier to *help* Lieberman? Or better yet, wait until October in an attempt to salvage repuke control of Congress?
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:59 AM
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54. I certainly never claimed that, others did though
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:05 AM
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57. Yes, I know you didn't

but this theory is all over DU.

:shrug:
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:12 AM
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58. it's beyond ridiculous
Posters who posit the 'Save Joe Lieberman' via terrorism theory have zero credibility on anything.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:01 AM
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55. They definitely need to ramp up the failed terror wars. 60% dissapproval
is VERY BAD fer bidness!!
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:04 AM
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56. Regardless of if it is true or not it's being used to induce paranoia
and the response is a grotesque misuse of power in order to further strip people of basic dignity. YOU CAN NEVER BE 100% SAFE...but you can be 100% exploited and controlled by fear.

I think our founding fathers were quite expressive on these issues.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:34 PM
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59. kik
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