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Jeroen Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:20 AM
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Israeli soldier wearing US flag
I saw this in a Dutch news broadcast:



You can see the clip here (in Dutch, after commercial)
http://www.zoomin.tv/videoplayer/?fuseaction=videolaunc...


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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:24 AM
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1. Is it a death thing, do you think?
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Jeroen Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:27 AM
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2. No, someone is putting black stuff on his face (before mission)
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 06:18 AM
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15. are we pulling each others leg?
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Jeroen Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:39 PM
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24. Oh sorry, my mistake. I actually thought that you thought he was dead
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:54 AM
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3. It's possible this is a US citizen with dual-citizenship and...
...was called to mandatory duty in the IDF. They have compulsory service in Israel if I recall correctly.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:09 AM
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8. Dual citizens do not have to serve as mandatory.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:03 PM
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26. It could only be US citizen with dual citizenship who volunteers
Wasn't there a twenty year old killed in Lebanon recently from the US with dual citizenship who volunteered? From Washington, maybe?
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:58 AM
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4. Staged.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:21 AM
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10. It is FAKED!
Just like you said! STAGED!
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:00 AM
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5. I want to rip that flag off his fucking head.
I can't justify it, but I just want to rip it from his head and ensure it never goes beyond the Israeli border into Lebanon.
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Kickin_Donkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:03 AM
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6. Probably a dual citizen ...
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:05 AM
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7. Why?
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 01:35 PM
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40. like lieberman, michael medved and other
jewish talkshow hosts who think they know god better than anyone else.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:17 AM
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9. BULLSHIT!
Run the video...pause it before the close up!
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:49 AM
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11. I don't see any red on his head until the close-up
is this a photo shop?
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Jeroen Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:52 AM
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13. No, it is real
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:22 PM
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22. That's one...
...the other...the soldier has facial hair in the long shot, then in the close up, his face is as smooth as a baby's ass. I think the "do rag" may have been an Israeli flag.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 07:13 AM
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31. It isn't bullshit -- it's real
I don't immediately trust stuff like this anymore because of Photoshop, etc., but this is real, no matter how much you want it to be a lie.

I suspect more than a few dual citizenshipers are in the Israeli army... or it may be a "real" Israeli.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:51 AM
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12. On another thread about
so-called Iranian guards in Lebanon, I asked how many Americans are Israeli soldiers. I saw one interviewed on CNN last week.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 06:05 AM
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14. In today's age, its hard to tell what is real.
If it isn't a fake, then I'm pissed off. One cannot serve two countries.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:32 AM
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16. doesn't look
like it's part of his uniform.......we are getting a little carried away here.

i would rather take all the flags away from our politicians than one Israeli soldier, they wrap themselves up in it and then crap all over it while they are crapping on us
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QuettaKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:38 AM
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17. dual citizenship. what's the problem?
You all just saw Michael Chertoff on your TV. He has dual citizenship with US-Israel as well....
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:20 PM
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21. Chertoff is not a dual citizen. n/t
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QuettaKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 06:31 AM
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30. Yes . . . . .he is.
As is the case with former Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, Michael Chertoff holds dual US/Israeli citizenship; a fact which, for Hicks and other 9/11 revisionists, casts a light on the questionable motives of Chertoff and the neo-cons. As head of Operation Green Quest, the multi-agency initiative to target sources of funding for terrorist organizations, Chertoff did little to stop terrorism. Chertoff was also one of the chief architects of Title III of the USA PATRIOT Act, and advised the CIA regarding the legality of torture at Abu Ghraib.

Big Wedding: 9/11, the Whistle Blowers and the Cover-Up will be published by Vox Pop/DKMC on October 30, 2005 and distributed by SCB Book Distributors, of Los Angeles, California. ISBN: 097527631X * Price: $14.50 * PB * 200 PP

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CrushTheDLC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:53 PM
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48. Not to mention a lot of the other PNAC shitbags
Most obviously Perle, Feith, and Wuermser, who wrote the "Clean Break" fascist doctrine for NuttyYahoo before adapting it to the PNAC doctrine we now all know and despise.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 07:15 AM
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33. Yes, he is n/t
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QuettaKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:35 AM
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34. ask the wiki.
Michael Chertoff is a citizen of the United States. Israeli law considers him a citizen of Israel as well, because his mother held that status.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Chertoff
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:46 PM
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35. To my knowledge...
...He has never claimed that citizenship! He has the right to claim citizenship in Israel, as do I, yet has not done it.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 07:13 AM
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32. As does Natalie Portman, Gene Simmons, etc.
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 07:14 AM by LostinVA
I have dual US-Italian citizenship. It's not unusual.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:29 AM
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18. There is an AP Photo Now in the Yahoo Photo Gallery
Sure looks real to me. It credits the photographer from AP....



An Israeli soldier, wearing an United States bandana, has camouflage make up applied to his face as troops gather along the Lebanon border preparing to enter southern Lebanon in northern Israel Thursday Aug. 10, 2006. Israel has put plans for a new ground offensive in Lebanon on hold to give a chance to cease-fire efforts, senior government officials said Thursday, a day after Israel's Security Cabinet approved a major expansion of the monthlong war. (AP Photo/David Guttenfelder)

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/021405lebanon...
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 01:11 PM
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38. this pic does have a better sense of reality, but...
considering the low contrast of everything else but the flag babooshka,...

the white on the flag would Not stand out like that - too crispy clean compared to general lighting.

imo, definitely faked.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:35 PM
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51. I tend to agree now
I wonder why the freeps aren't screaming about this fake?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:35 AM
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19. that is bizarre
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:03 AM
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20. This ISN'T fake. I trust the Dutch news. It was shown in the latest
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 10:03 AM by helderheid
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:23 PM
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23. Probably An Immigrnt From The U.S., Ma'am
That is fairly common there.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:03 PM
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27. Makes sense, Sir.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:52 PM
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25. Isn't there some Constitutional amendment being proposed...
...that would prohibit wearing the US flag in this disrespectful manner? Or would it only be illegal if he were thinking bad thoughts about the US while wearing it?

Maybe it's not really the US flag...maybe for example its the Liberian flag with more stars than usual:


Or maybe it's a WalMart ad for a July 4th sale?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:04 PM
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28. Jeroen, are you living in the US or the Netherlands? Just curious.
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Jeroen Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:16 PM
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29. In the Netherlands
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:17 PM
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41. I lived in Zeist for a couple years
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:58 PM
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36. Makes perfect sense. Wear the emblem of the biggest badass world thugs
ever, the U.S. imperial military-corporate gang.

Additionally, it works as an homage to the true sponsor of this soldier's deployment.

sw
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:19 PM
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42. this is symbology, nothing else.
the pics are fake, but the sentiment is not.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:38 PM
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46. Why are you so all-fired determined to declare the pics fake?
It would seem that you find the wearing of a U.S. flag bandana by a IDF troop objectionable in some way, and therefore are at great pains to assert that this could not possibly be real.

Why is that? What would it mean to you if it IS real? (and it certainly appears to be real, your continued protestations notwithstanding).

sw
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:47 PM
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47. I work in pshop almost every day.
things twig, and this one twigs big time.

My criticisms of this picture has Nothing to do with how I feel about the unjust slaughter of the Lebonese or my abhorence of what the IDF is doing, or has done for decades.
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 01:05 PM
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37. obvious p shop job.
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 01:15 PM by QuestionAll...
looks like it's painted on his head... no shadows/folds.
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 01:31 PM
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39. kicking for fakery... nt
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:20 PM
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43. it isn't fake. Look at the video (comes on after talking about terror plot
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 02:29 PM by helderheid
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:29 PM
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44. helder, my comp can't view vids too well.
I'm just going by the snapshots here. the snaps tell me different.

is the stark contrast just as the pic here on the video?
from past performance of your posts, I have every reason to believe you as I've always respected your input.
Just going with what I can see right now.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:36 PM
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45. It's really a sharp contrast on the video too but obviously not a fake
when you watch it. I can totally see how anyone looking at the still would think it was fake.

Dutch news comes in 3rd when rated for fair reporting worldwide. I totally trust it.
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QuettaKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:56 PM
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49. One of the biggest under reported stories of the Iraq war.
Israeli soldiers working alongside their US counterparts. They are all over the place. Remember this little gem from Abu Ghraib?

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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:07 PM
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50. yes, have seen this before.
pic doesn't look doctored.
but the mess media certainly has been for this kind of influence Israel has/had in Iraq.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 06:02 PM
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52. Why do people have a problem with this


:shrug:
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