Dean says Lieberman is being disrespectful of the party.

[madfloridian]

Several of these comments are quite powerful. If true that many are not pressuring him to step down, then I am disappointed. I know they are supporting Lamont, and I hope that at least privately they are talking to Joe to step down. They say he is angered, but this is not a time for hurt feelings. You don't make your own party because you are angry or hurt.

Democrats Rally Behind Lamont,Isolating Lieberman

"Howard Dean, the Democratic national chairman, called on Mr. Lieberman to quit the race, and in an interview said he would be disappointed in any Democratic Party leader who continued to support Mr. Lieberman, declaring they “have an obligation” to support their nominee.

But most Democrats were united in saying they would not pressure Mr. Lieberman to step aside for now, saying he was too angered by his loss to accept such counseling and noting Republicans as of now do not have a strong candidate who could take advantage of a fractured Democratic field."

And these paragraphs are stunning about Bush and Mehlman.

Republican polling has also said that national security was the most effective issue Republicans have to motivate their base voters.

“It’s right-wing propaganda,” Mr. Dean said. “They are beginning to look ridiculous: A majority of Americans now believe that going to Iraq was the wrong thing to do. I think this shows how far out of touch the Republicans are: What you are seeing is the beginning of the end of the Republicans because a lot of this was a referendum on George Bush’s policies. George Bush is going to take a big hit and a lot of people are going down with him, including Ken Mehlman.”

And he again says to pull behind the winner.

Mr. Dean, whose brother James was a prominent supporter of Mr. Lamont, said Mr. Lieberman was being “disrespectful of Democrats and disrespectful of the Democratic Party” by saying he would stay in the race as an independent.

“It was decided in Joe’s favor three times and this time he didn’t get the nod,” Mr. Dean said. Recalling his unsuccessful campaign for the presidential nomination in 2004, he added, “We all do what I did: When you lose, you pull behind the winner.”

There is no real satisfaction in seeing someone lose like that, and very few of us feel that. Joe is making a mistake.

[whistle]

1. I've got news for Dean, Joe Lieberman has been disrespectful

... of the Democratic Party for the last five years

[CrushTheDLC]

4. Dean already knows that

Considering how many times Lieberbush attacked him during the 2003-04 primary season, especially. But it wouldn't serve any purpose for him to mention that now, other than his comment that "you do what I did and get behind the winner".

[Hans Delbrook]

5. Clap, Clap, Clap, Clap (NIM)

[txaslftist]

27. Yep. Exactly.

Smooching the presnit and sucking face with Hannity?

Bye, loser.

[Skidmore]

35. I understood that wasn't face he was

sucking, at least that guy with the sign seemed to know more about it.

[msongs]

2. go Howard. you'd think the media would GET IT right?

not terribly knowledgeable about Lieberman's history, but he is obviously putting his own ego above anything else.

a megalomaniac never knows when to quit, does this apply to Joe L?

Msongs
www.msongs.com/2007politicalcalendars.htm

[Nikki Stone 1]

3. Dean is absolutely right

You lick your wounds and pull behind the winner.

[liberalhistorian]

6. I will have to remember to thank him for

that when I meet him in Rapid City, SD, next Wednesday evening at a private party and at a reception afterwards. He's visiting the Pennington County Democrats, and I cannot wait! And I'll be sure to tell him to stand firm on his position, also.

[tnlefty]

7. Aren't you the lucky one?

Would you please remind him that there are Dems in the Chattanooga area who still support him? And it's damned hard to be a Dean supportin' Dem in this neck of the woods!!! For some of us it's tricky to just be a left leaning Dem in this neck of the woods.

[madfloridian]

10. It's hard to even be a Democrat in our area.

And especially one who wants to change things. One of our state party leaders even implied that DFA is too involved. Hey,fellow, we are Democrats as well.

It's tough here. My sympathies those in TN.

[tnlefty]

16. Hey Mad! Just send positive vibes our way 'cause we're a rather tough

bunch and change isn't always easy. I just flat refuse to give up no matter how much some would like for me to!! Unfortunately the gentleman that I PM'd you about who ran against Curtis Adams (remember him) lost his race although he had lots of support and he had a fairly good showing in the final vote count. There are always candidates to recruit, groom and get ready for the next election!

Just gotta keep pluggin' along!

[madfloridian]

22. Consider them sent.

And hang in there.

[Cha]

12. So ironic too because you

the ones who are sane.

[liberalhistorian]

14. I will certainly

do that! That is, if I'm not so starstruck and nervous that I just stand there stammering like a complete idiot when I meet him, lol!

[tnlefty]

17. Thanks, I appreciate it! I'm sure you'll do fine and won't stammer like

an idiot. Deep breath and 3X5 index card in your pocket, lol.

[Cha]

8. And then sometimes you go on to

do great things as in Dean's case.

"We all do what I did: When you lose, you pull behind the winner."

You don't throw daggers at the party who brought you to the dance and then go off and form your own party to sabotage it.

[tyedyeto]

9. If this is true of the party leaders...

But most Democrats were united in saying they would not pressure Mr. Lieberman to step aside for now. they are not being true leaders of the Democratic Party. Every one of them should be calling him and talking about how he is being devisive to the party which endorsed him for so many years. Keep the pressure on him so he will withdraw from the general election.

[madfloridian]

11. Well, it is Nagourney, and his version of truth is not always on target.

So it is hard to tell.

[Mass_Liberal]

13. He's not just being disrespectful of the party

He's being disrespectful of democracy. He says that he lost the election because of negative partisan rhetoric. Wrong. He lost the election because he sided against the Democrats of Conneticut so many times that they no longer feel he adequately represents them. And yet he is too egotistical to even consider this.

[madfloridian]

26. Exactly right.

Disrespectful of Democracy and the Democratic process.

[Kurovski]

15. K&R.(nt)

[madfloridian]

18. Dean hits two morning shows tomorrow.

- ABC "Good Morning America" at 7:05 AM
- CNN "American Morning" at 7:30 AM

[madfloridian]

30. Guess he was pre-empted by terror.

We are a world of terror now, thanks to this administration.

[Canuckistanian]

19. Nice touch with the Ken Mehlman line

Hahaha, talk about a shot across the bow, "bring it on" style....

[madfloridian]

21. Mehlman will ask for an apology. He always does.

But he won't get it.

[fooj]

20. Right on!

Howard speaks for me!

[upi402]

23. yes, Joe is a Republican. DINO's are Republicans

Wake me up in November and tell me Americans caught on to this novell concept.

[Vidar]

24. Thank you, Howard.

[Atman]

25. That Dean is one crazy-assed mofo, huh?

Man...you can tell just by reading his words. He WAAAAYYY out there. What a LOONY! AAAARRRGGGH!!

[whistle]

29. Not really, just willing to speak the truth with courage...

...I hope that democrats can find about 143 more like Howard Dean all the way to George Galloway (British PM who appeared before the senate hearings)

<snip>
Video: Galloway v The US Senate
George Galloway, Respect MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, delivered this statement to US Senators today (05/17/05) who have accused him of corruption

British MP George Galloway has told US senators who accused him of profiting from Iraq oil dealings their claims were the "mother of all smokescreens".

Full testimony 47 Minutes

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8869.ht...

[opihimoimoi]

28. Joe is a Jerk. Throw him out of the Party. PERIOD. With Dems like him

we don't need enemies.

He got himself in a jam and he blames others??? Fuck off Dude....

[madfloridian]

31. Al From to support Lieberman's Indy bid.

How did I miss this? From a diary by Bob Johnson at Daily Kos, an email from Al From.

"And what does Al From....have to say? (From kos' front page post of an e-mail from Al From.)

"Joe Lieberman is a man of high integrity and high purpose. He has been my friend for two decades, and to me, he represents the best in American politics.

The Democratic Leadership Council as an organization cannot and will not endorse candidates in federal elections. Leaders of the DLC exercising their rights as individuals will be on both sides of the Connecticut Senate race this fall. DLC Chairman Tom Vilsack, for example, has pledged to support the Democratic nominee. DLC Vice Chair Tom Carper has said he will support Senator Lieberman in November.

In my personal capacity, I will support Joe Lieberman, running as an independent Democrat. I believe our country needs more Senators like Joe Lieberman, not less."

Oh, Al, this is disappointing.

The diary:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/10/05411/7783

[madfloridian]

32. Found the original post from Kos where the email was quoted.

After all their chiding of Dean and his supporters in 04, warnings not to hurt the party....there is just so much irony in this. Kind of sad.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/9/20051/20575

[Xenotime]

33. Dean is right...

Joe turned his back on the party. Time for Joe just to hang it up and work on his putts.

[Recursion]

34. Republicans do have a strong candidate

...and noting Republicans as of now do not have a strong candidate who could take advantage of a fractured Democratic field.

They do. His name is Joe Lieberman.

[madfloridian]

36. You may be right.

I hate to think that. But may be true.

[madfloridian]

37. I see Dean and Mehlman will be on MTP Sunday....

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3898804 /

"Then, we turn to Decision 2006 and talk exclusively with the two national party chairmen: DNC Chairman Howard Dean and RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman. How will former Vice Presidential nominee and three-term Senator Joe Lieberman's primary loss affect the Democratic party and incumbents nationwide? Should Lieberman continue his independent bid for re-election? And how will the terror threat and the war in Iraq affect the political landscape in the 2006 elections?

All coming up on this Sunday's edition of "Meet the Press."

Wonder if Ken will be upset about Dean's remarks from the article above?

"Republican polling has also said that national security was the most effective issue Republicans have to motivate their base voters.

“It’s right-wing propaganda,” Mr. Dean said. “They are beginning to look ridiculous: A majority of Americans now believe that going to Iraq was the wrong thing to do. I think this shows how far out of touch the Republicans are: What you are seeing is the beginning of the end of the Republicans because a lot of this was a referendum on George Bush’s policies. George Bush is going to take a big hit and a lot of people are going down with him, including Ken Mehlman.”

More about the statement Dean made about Lieberman being disrepectful to the party.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

[depakid]

38. Howard Dean has integrity

Something Joe Lieberman and about 10 or 12 DINO's in the Senate and about 40 in the House utterly and completely lack.

They're as big- perhaps even a bigger impediment to turning the state of this country around as any Republican.

[elehhhhna]

39. Disrespectful to the VOTERS is more like.

Party this party that sounds like flicking mehlman. WTH are we using the Reeps thesuarus...still.

Like asking for Butch to come back to DC for this big terror fiasco...THAT JUST acknowledges it IS something to give a shit about.

I love you, Dean, but you need new tapes, sir.

[madfloridian]

40. Don't mean to sound stupid.....but what the heck did you just say?

It is not computing in my brain.

[elehhhhna]

41. Okay, on major edit (& sorry I was ranting on the above post)

Lieberman's running as an Indy is Disrespectful to the VOTERS, even more so than to "the Party", imo.

"The Party this...the party that" sounds like Kenneth Mehlman of the RNC. Why the hell are we using the Reeps thesuarus, language, and framing, after all this time?

When Dean recently called for President Butch to return to DC, cut off his vacation, and manage the most recent "big terror" fiasco, yesterday, the request, IMHO, acknowledged that there was indeed an "Imminent threat".

Dear Dr. Dean, I love you, but WE need to more carefully avoid Reep and Reep-sounding talking points.

[madfloridian]

43. No, Dean does NOT sound like Mehlman.

I am not going to comment on the terror threat, because I don't know. Any politician who said there was not a threat would be gone, and should be gone.

I am amazed sometimes....never mind.

[elehhhhna]

49. When he says Party rather than Citizens or Voters,

he sounds like he THINKS like Mehlman. I get what he was trying to achieve when calling the Prez back to DC, but the framing is still poor-to-fair.

[madfloridian]

50. Why? Because he is party chairman...his job is to win.

It is about the party winning right now. Lieberman's move could hurt the party structure. Dean considered 3rd party, said it would not work, would be too bloody....so he took on this job.

He is right to speak first of the party, that is his job.

[elehhhhna]

52. You are correct, of course, and

I wouldn't say what I said anywhere but here. I admire Dean, and I get your point. Do you see mine?

[madfloridian]

53. Yes, because I never wanted him to be chair anyway.

Many of us felt like he should stay with DFA and change things from there. We thought he would be freer to speak out.

But I'm on board now.

[truebrit71]

42. I agree, but he was disrepectful when he chided Democrats for criticising.

...Lt AWOL....

[madfloridian]

44. I sure must be in stupid mode today.

I don't know what you mean either.

[truebrit71]

45. He said "We undermine the president's credibility at our nation's peril"

...THAT was being disrespectful to the Democratic party, and the Democracy as a whole...

[madfloridian]

46. Oh, you were referring to Lieberman.

I thought you were refering to Dean. It gets confusing around DU by midafternoon.

[truebrit71]

48. Yeah, LIEberman, not the good Doctor....

..

[Buns_of_Fire]

47. Hmmmph. How DARE those uppity primary voters

try to suck the Precious Bodily Fluids from Senator-for-Life Joe "Kissy-Face" Lieberman's God-approved sinecure in the Senate! Do they think this is a DEMOCRACY or somethin'?

[survivor999]

51. Dean is right, as usual.

[LWolf]

54. He's right. n/t