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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:33 PM
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Liebermann THUGS begin fights with Lamont supporters tonite
((I have a hard time copying and pasting from mydd.com for some weird reason, so only put up a portion of the big post. Can't believe Liebermann is resorting to these rovian tactics. Go read all of the crazy going-on's.))

great big snip

A large man, about 50 years old or so then started screaming at Ned, "Are you an Al Sharpton Democrat, or a Bill Clinton Democrat?" Ned was trying to answer, and the gentleman kept yelling. The Lamont press secretary tried to intervene, and meanwhile, the people behind the counter who owned the restaurant were horrified and embarrassed. Then Ned Lamont went up to the few people in regular clothes and introduced himself, even as the Lieberman supporters kept screaming. He also tried to introduce himself to the Lieberman staffers, but to no avail. The screaming continued, and it was so abrasive that he left, and the whole crowd followed him outside.

please go and read the whole thing, you will not believe this shit:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/8/3/205416/1615
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:34 PM
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1. What a desperate rotten tactic
Thanks for posting it
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:35 PM
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2. LIEberman really IS a Republican, isn't he?
I remember attending a Clinton rally in 1992, there were some Bush I supporters there (they were the frat boy types) and they were itching for a fight but no one at the rally gave it to them.

I hope this gets reported in Connecticut.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:37 PM
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3. Sounds like Lieberman is borrowing a page from the Republican play book
This thread in the Minnesota Forum relates how the Republican candidate's (6th District) thugs did their best to keep the DFL candidate's people from working the crowd at a parade. Per the article, when the Repuke candidate heard of the complaints her response was "So sue me."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:40 PM
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6. Sounds like Lieberman is hiring
Rethuglicans to do his campaigning - Didn't I hear that the College Rethugs were going to "help out" short ride Joe?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:39 PM
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4. NOM! I just tried to copy the first couple of para's, and the same
thing happened.

Tried again, here's the first two for you:

So I just tracked this down with several sources, and something really strange is going on. Lieberman's campaign seems to arming his supporters with aggressive talking points in order to pick fights at Lamont events. There were two separate events today where this happened. At a Machinists union endorsement event for Ned, some Lieberman supporters (probably paid) started arguing with union members, and a sign got torn.

Later in the day, Ned was ambushed at a diner stop. At 5pm, Ned was scheduled to stop at a cheeseburger joint in Meridan (Ted's Cheeseburgers). The burgers were really good, apparently, and the place is famous for delicious cheeseburgers. Mmm. As I write this it's dinner time.

more...
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:07 PM
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21. How to deal with the copying thing.
Some sites just have this problem, line MyDD, Yahoo News, and New Standard News. Here's a fix. Start your mouse drag copy at the bottom of the article and work up. Paste into Notepad or equivalent text-only window. Copy selected portions from Notepad to here or elsewhere plus URL.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:13 PM
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26. Thank you for the tip! The para's I got, I did so by starting at the
bottom.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:40 PM
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5. Straight out of the Bush supporters' handbook...
Lieberman really is emulating his mentor.
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rusty charly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:40 PM
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7. SLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZY
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:41 PM
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8. Wow, that's almost half as bad as...
...starting a rumor on the Internet that Lieberman is considering running as a Republican.
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:25 PM
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37. It's not Lamont's fault that Lieberman's staff refused to rule that out.
Edited on Fri Aug-04-06 12:20 AM by KaptBunnyPants
And I haven't seen it brought up since Lieberman finally did rule it out. But ignoring all of that, how can you possibly think that rumor mongering is worse than a planned physical assault on a campaign event? Has it really gotten to the point where you view Democrats who support Lamont as unworthy of the right to assemble?

edit: I wanted to make it more clear that Lieberman has ruled out a bid on the Republican ticket.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:44 PM
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43. They did refuse to rule that out.
He took advantage of the fact that the staffer wasn't trained to answer that question. And this is not the way to gain sympathy for what happened today.

Rumor mongering has a much more vast effect on the electorate, as you continue to demonstrate with your post.
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 12:00 AM
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44. I said Lieberman ruled it out, so I don't know why you tried to correct me
Edited on Fri Aug-04-06 12:18 AM by KaptBunnyPants
And I am not talking about the effect it has on the campaign, I'm talking about what I thought were universal principles of a non-violent political process. I haven't seen Liebermans rallies busted up, so I don't know why you feel the need to defend these thugs. I wouldn't even physically assault actual Republicans, much less other Democrats.

The rumor was started when Republicans in Connecticut considered endorsing Lieberman. And that inexperienced staffer was Liebermans campaign deputy press secretary; if he doesn't know the answer to that question it shouldn't have taken him that long to find out.

edit: On edit, I can see where the confusion came from, I was a little unclear in my original reply. I will correct that.
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cmkramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 02:57 AM
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54. It's not that he wasn't trained to answer the question
it's that he was not authorized to answer the question. As soon as the authorized person was available, he shot the speculation down.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 01:46 AM
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48. Not half as bad as putting yourself in a position where it might be true.
If it was such a far-fetched rumor, why did it gain so much traction?

Oh, because I would say it's not a rumor but a possible unsubstantiated fact. When you are the "Republican's favorite Democrat" odds are that you aren't favored by true progressives.

The reality is that Joe Lieberman running as a Republican is not a far fetched idea. In fact, it makes a decent amount of sense, him running as a "Northeastern Republican ". Who would believe that Kerry would run as a Republican?? No one. But with Lieberman, it's a distinct possibility.

It says a lot about his character, IMO, and why it appears that the Connecticut voters will be removing him from office very soon.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 03:26 AM
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 08:22 AM
Response to Reply #55
62. Good points, thank you. n/t
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:19 AM
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75. "Good Points"??
"Lamont will win very very handily due to the Nazi tactics of his supporters"??
"He's nothing but a liar and a fraud."?
"accepted the help of lying pigs like Jane Hamsher"?
"Ned's people are the ones using Rovian tactics."?

:wow:

These are good points?
This is valid discourse in support of Joe Lieberman?
The mind boggles.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #75
76. The tactics used in spreading the Republican rumor are extremely Rovian.
And possibly Nazi as well.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:31 AM
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78. Why is it a rumor?
Don't actions speak louder than words? In Lieberman's case, his votes speak the loudest to me, not any internet chatter... Lieberman has consistently voted with the republicans on very important issues...

I also think it strange you could equate a rumor started on the internet to a personal affront done to the candidate himself... I find one to be much more intolerable than the other... If Lieberman's camp wants to start their own rumor, then fine, start one.. To deliberately attack a candidate in person is defined as how low can you go?
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #78
89. Exactly.
Supporting Lieberman is supporting the Bush agenda,
no ifs, ands, or butts, about it.


Never forget >> http://movies.crooksandliars.com/SOTU1.wmv
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 12:15 PM
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84. I agree
Because, you know, those hours I'm putting in doing data entry for the campaign, and calling people to talk about Lamont's positions, how very Nazi of me. :eyes:
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 09:08 AM
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67. This is starting to annoy me more and more every day
From Wikipedia (not the best source of information, but in this case, good enough).


Godwin's Law (also Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is a mainstay of Internet culture, an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. It is particulary concerned with logical fallacies such as reductio ad Hitlerum, wherein an idea is unduly dismissed or rejected on ground of it being associated with persons generally considered "evil".

The law states:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

Godwin observed that people had increasingly begun to compare anyone and anything they mildly disliked with Hitler and/or Fascism.
Godwin's Law does not dispute whether, in a particular instance, a reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis might be apt. It is precisely because such a reference or comparison may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin argues in his book, Cyber Rights: Defending Free Speech in the Digital Age, that hyperbolic overuse of the Hitler/Nazi comparison should be avoided, as it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

Although in one of its early forms Godwin's Law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions, the law is now applied to any threaded online discussion: electronic mailing lists, message boards, chat rooms, and so on.

There is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress.


In my opinion, calling anyone a Nazi except an actual honest to god Nazi clouds debate and makes it impossible to continue a reasonable discussion. It should be considered, in my opinion, flaming. Calling people other than Nazis Nazis, or saying that someone uses Nazi tactics is extremely disrespectful to all who lost their lives during that period.

Nazi tactics included gassing the handicapped in specially designed busses. Are you saying that Lamont's people were doing that?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #55
68. Bitter loosers.
Another Joemomento deadender.

So if and when Joe decides to run against the Democratic candidate, will you be supporting him?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 02:43 PM
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 03:29 PM
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93. "Loyal...Democrat" no way, not Smokin' Joe Lieberman...
Smokin' his wheels as he distances Democrats in trouble.

1) He goes on the Sensate floor to blast Clinton's private life at a really critical moment.

Mr. Morality has no problems with *'s violence toward Iraq, New Orleans, and the world in general
through neglect of our looming eco catastrophe. Sex ... oh, so bad; violence, well, damn, old Joe's
into that in a big way.

2) He caves in during the Florida recount, the one moment when we needed fighting Democrats on the
line knocking heads. He could have been a powerful voice countering Baker's bully boy tactics. But
no it was moderate Joe, hitting the road and saying 'cya around fellas, I'm outta here.'

LOYAL and LIEBERMAN are not words to use in the same sentence unless it questions his loyalty to the
Democratic Party. I say that as a precinct level worker for the party. I want people with guts and
staying power, not a perfumed prince who preaches but procrastinates when it's time to fight.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 03:56 PM
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94. cmkramer-- "Lieberman has never been anything but a completley loyal
moderate to liberal Democrat."

Are you frickin' KIDDING me?!

That's why this guy is going down like the Titanic. He's screwed us over time and time again, told us to shut up and not criticize bush, has been more enthusiastic for Bushco's malevolent policies than he has been for the moderate/liberal ideals, has badmouthed us repeatedly on Fox News, and on and on. Here is one perfect little example of the way Joe has treated us. Please note the quote in bold:

In August of 2000, accompanied by three-card Bennett, Holy Joe attended a confab to an audience consisting of members of (who else?) The Heritage Foundation and Progressive Foundation (we'll discuss them in second) glitterati. You can really feel the love for Democratic party here:

...Lieberman criticized his own party as much as Republicans...
He got his biggest applause -- and laughter -- when he called himself a Democrat "who is not ashamed to embrace a purportedly Republican idea like cutting the capital gains tax to spur economic growth -- and I'm not hesitant to say we shouldn't spend the peace dividend on new social programs."...

After the cheers, Lieberman paused. "That doesn't happen when I use that line on a Democratic audience," he said. (Hartford Courant, August 9, 2000)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cliff-schecter/two-degree ...

*

Does that sound like loyalty to you?

:grr:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #55
98. completely loyal?
Have you ever seen him on TV or read one of his speeches or articles?

If he's been loyal to anyone, it's been to the BFEE.
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KelleyKramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #55
106. Funniest post of the year!

Thats got to be the funniest thing I have read all year long.

Wow!

You should be on the Colbert show.. no really, you are that funny!

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 07:30 AM
Response to Reply #8
58. I admire your loyalty. nt.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #8
86. He is? I hadn't heard, but I'm not surprised n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:41 PM
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9. Last paragraph here, whap!
It's like third grade version of Karl Rove, and it really upset all the people at the various events, who are now going to tell everyone in their town about it. Connecticut is still a small town state, and this does not go over well. Picking a fight and then blaming it on the people you picked a fight with is an interesting tactic, and an extremely high risk move to get the reporters to do a feeding frenzy on the movement behind Lamont. The Lieberman campaign is hoping that the press will pick up their narrative, and begin to express the same outrage that Lieberman feels at his challenger, and the people of Connecticut who are unhappy with their Senator. How dare they?!?! was always the unstateed campaign message, and now, apparently it's also the new field strategy
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:41 PM
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10. how pitiful!! A LA FLA 2000!!..WHAT AN IGORANT TACTIC..
and i believe this will soooo back fire on Joementum

this is really childish and out of line...

fly
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:41 PM
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11. Tom Delay tactics and you saw where it got him
in prison... Joe must be quite Bitter...
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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:43 PM
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12. Lieberman and his supporters need to be in Iraq fighting their war crime!
By their selfish arrogant selfs. And send our badly abused troops home.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:43 PM
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13. DESPERATE and The End of the Lieberman ERROR.....
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:46 PM
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14. Okay, that's bizaare. And inept.
It's like the blog says, like a third grade version of Rove.

If I were Rove, I'd sue. They're giving him a bad name.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:46 PM
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15. The Nutbag State......n/t
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 02:16 AM
Response to Reply #15
52. Excuse me, but I resent that!
If you mean the "Nutmeg State" then I'll forgive you. Don't blame the whole state for Liebermans "goons" actions. A smilie or something would have made it a little more acceptable!
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #52
103. Sorry...I have been in plenty of threads where I have identified myself
as an old Connecticut Yankee myself...born and raised there ....moved out at the age of 36(my wife and I both - in protest of the state tax)....should have known there were plenty of Connecticut people here whom I may not have "met" on DU yet....
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #103
104. OK , I'll give you a repreive!!
From one Ct. Yankee to another! Now, if you still lived here, what would you do? Stick with Lieberman, or vote Lamont. It's hard to tell from your post! I'm guessing you weren't too fond of Wieker? :hi:
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 04:30 PM
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105. I never blamed Wieker...he had little choice...just couldn't see that
little extra coming out of my check...things were tough enough cost of living wise in Conn.(born in Danbury...moved to Stamford as a kid and also spent a few years living in Southbury)....I'd go with Lamont if I was still up there ... there's a bigger picture here .. a National one .. an anti-war stance as well.....it's time .....
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #105
107. AMEN !
Lived in Southbury myself for a while. Many, many years ago!! When the Southbury Playhouse was still in business. My oldest kids (51 and 49 ) attended the Southbury Elementary School.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:52 PM
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16. That's fucking stupid
I'll bet Republicans are kicking themselves right now for not fielding a real candidate and doing a full court press in Conn. Every single day for the past few months Joe has shown over and over what a stupendously inept, boneheaded campaigner he is.
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:54 PM
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17. MSM finally coming around?? Jeff Greenfield:
Greenfield: It's more than just Iraq
Lieberman has long been on the outs with his party's base

Jeff Greenfield
CNN Senior Analyst


NEW YORK (CNN) -- If the latest Quinnipiac University Poll is right, three-term Sen. Joseph Lieberman is headed for defeat Tuesday in Connecticut's Democratic primary, and Iraq -- more specifically, his steadfast support for that war -- is the big reason.

But it's not the only reason, which is something those looking for broader lessons from this primary campaign might keep in mind.


much, much more at: http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/03/greenfield.liebe...
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:09 PM
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23. Finally, somebody gets it right. n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:55 PM
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18. Joe is a neoconservative.
This is how they play the game.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #18
39. You shall know them by their deeds
Thanks H20 Man. :hi:
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #18
74. You need to make up your mind: neoliberal or neocon?
I prefer the neoliberal label for joemomento myself. He does, after all, vote on the progressive/liberal side of some issues, he just happens to be a liberal-hawk fully aligned with the likud wing of the PNAC war party.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #74
96. A neoliberal
is a neoconservative who is registered as a democrat.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #74
100. Think the proper term is D'LiCker (DLiC'er?) n/t
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:56 PM
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19. Kinda reminds me of them Beltway gangsters down in Florida in late 2000
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 03:13 PM
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91. You mean these?

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:05 PM
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20. Freakin' Losers!
On the other side ..The Nation had an excellent article by John Nichols on Lamont and lieman today..

Snips~

"So why is the challenger seemingly so at ease with just a few weeks to go before the primary? Why is Ned Lamont smiling? "I love being in this race," the candidate declares, without a hint of irony, to the crowd at an Indian restaurant in downtown Stamford after a long evening of answering questions he has answered a few hundred times before. That's the secret of Ned Lamont. He is not merely the "cable TV millionaire" reporters mention when seeking a shorthand description for the 52-year-old former newspaper editor, public radio host, local elected official, telecommunications entrepreneur and Democratic donor who was drawn into the race against Lieberman only after more prominent war foes begged off. Rather, he is a self-admitted political junkie who, like a rock critic who finally forms a band, has been waiting a very long time for this chance in the spotlight. Maybe a lifetime. After all, it's in his blood.



Lamont's great-grandfather Thomas Lamont, whose partnership with J.P. Morgan created the family fortune that has provided a firm financial base for Ned's business and political endeavors, was one of Woodrow Wilson's negotiators on the Treaty of Versailles. Ned's great-uncle Corliss was a leading figure in the American Civil Liberties Union and a founder of the National Emergency Civil Liberties Committee who successfully sued the Central Intelligence Agency in a groundbreaking challenge to domestic spying--and who would no doubt be proud of the Senate candidate's support of Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold's proposal to censure Bush for authorizing warrantless wiretaps. Lamont's father, Ted, an economist, helped administer the Marshall Plan after World War II and served with George Romney--Massachusetts Governor Mitt's liberal dad--in Richard Nixon's Department of Housing and Urban Development."


When Lamont offers his critique of "George Bush and Joe Lieberman's" foreign policies to the business owners who have gathered at the Indian restaurant in Stamford, several of whom make favorable references to "the House of Morgan," every head in the room nods. And when he quotes former Connecticut Senator Abe Ribicoff's Vietnam-era suggestion that America is strongest not when it brandishes arms but when it earns the respect of the world, the nodding heads are smiling. "This makes sense to me," says Pravin Banker, director of the Global Financial Network, who had introduced Lamont earlier in the evening. "It's refreshing to hear someone who knows about diplomacy, who recognizes that the US can do a better job of working with the world."




http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060814/nichols

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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:09 PM
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22. A stunt like that can only backfire on Holy Joe.
Makes him and his supporters look stupid.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:11 PM
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25. Yeah, I don't get that at all.
Ganging up like bullies on Lamont and his supporters? Do they think they will get people to vote for Lieberman doing this? Aside from being sleazy, its an insane tactic.
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:41 PM
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41. It makes them look like thugs.
Even given his desperate political situation, I can't believe he would resort to this.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:10 PM
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24. Could it possibly be that these are, indeed, actual reprobate
repukes? My pohllyannaish streak makes me want to believe that these were the real thing, fascist republican child molester types, leftovers from the great vote recount invasion of Florida 2000, that Lieberman would not stoop so low.
Nevertheless, it does point out just who is most interested (besides NoMoJo, himself) in keeping him in office.

Could it be a triple cross? Wherein the real object is to undermine Lieberman by such repulsive actions: I mean, nobody but a republican would actually think such an action would hurt Lamont or endear anyone to NoMoJo.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:14 PM
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28. could be College Republicans
From Kos: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/2/14247/70377

o: collegerepublicans@PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Unconventional Primary Campaign Opportunity (LIEBERMAN)

Republicans,

I hope everyone is enjoying their summer. In June, I informed you all of a campaign opportunity for State Senator Tom Kean race for U.S. Senate in NJ. Continuing the tradition of letting you about summer campaign opportunities here is a much more unconventional option:

Incumbent Senator Joe Lieberman (Democratic Primary)
Lieberman is facing a tough primary fight versus far-left anti war activist Ned Lamont.
----------------------------------------------------------------
August 4-9th Primary Campaigning:

Elissa Harwood '09 (NOT A CLUB MEMBER) has organized a series of buses departing on Friday August 4 from Washington DC (6:30 Foggy Bottom Metro) and NYC, destination: Hartford, CT

People interested in campaigning for Lieberman in the Democratic Primary will have lodging accommodations paid for (by his campaign), as well as food and transportation.

Buses would bring you back on August 9th.

If Interested, E-mail: XXX@Princeton.EDU or call her
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:02 PM
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34. Thanks--good info.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:14 PM
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29. Could be. I can't imagine
Lieberman stooping this low. Just as Lamont can't control all of his supporters neither can Lieberman.

I agree that certain Republicans like these thugs appear to be really think that bully tactics will gain more support.
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:15 PM
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30. Some of the blogs are discussing this and
quite a few believe that some of the main Lieberman staffers will show up with "black eyes" tomorrow and blame the whole ugly mess on Lamont staffers, saying they were attacked first. They say this scenario is right out of the rove playbook, right on schedule. My my, you take a fine, Progressive person like Lamont and really baptize him into politics don't you? At least you do in the political times of karl rove.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:04 PM
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35. Sometimes I wish I'd never gotten interested in politics.
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 08:25 AM
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63. Just had to reply to you because
I know exactly what you mean. Keeps us off the streets, I guess.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 04:10 PM
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97. I always assumed political hacks were lower than spammers
but I never realized just how sickeningly stale they really are. Takes a special kind of person to swim in that sewer, I suppose.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:58 AM
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83. Me too.
Drives me crazy sometimes. Especially during thisconstitutional crises... (yes, off topic, I know)

Anyway: Go Lamont!

My Brother in Law who is in the CT State Leg. wasthe first to support Lamont. Very proud of it. Here's part his last email to me:

Looks like history in the making here. I think Lieberman will
poll in the 30's in my district on Tuesday. Can't wait to see the outcome.


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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 04:06 PM
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95. Thank you for sharing!
You have made my day. I am proud for you and smilin' too.
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:14 PM
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27. NeoCon brown shirts... nt
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:17 PM
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31. Any Different From The "Lieberman Lover" Float
that follows Holy Joe wherever he goes?

seems that there will always be tactics that serve only to disrupt in politics

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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:45 PM
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33. The float didn't give anyone a bloody nose.
Not like the brownshirt Lieberkidz. How do you equate papier-mache and political theatre with violence?

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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 07:20 PM
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101. The Photographer Got The Bloody Nose
but I agree, anyone who is trying to create violence in this situation is much worse than the political theater, touche'
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:16 PM
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36. Tactics which serve to disrupt?
You aren't actually equating a comical float with shouting down the candidate and physically assaulting his supporters, are you? The most I've seen from Lamont supporters is asking a few pointed questions, why would you defend this kind of planned, violent attack?
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 07:23 PM
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102. I Don't Know If The Violence Was Planned
but it was over the top without a doubt

and don't get me wrong, I'm no Lieberman supporter, I know little about Lamont except that he is anti war, but as for other issues, I haven't a clue
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SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:22 PM
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32. Not Shocked..The GOP need Lieberman to win badly.
Im really not suprised that the GOP would send the brownshirts to stir up and intimidate. They need Lieberman to win to have a " Democrat " in Bush's and the GOP Pocket to vote with them and say " Look here is a Democrat who supports us " Like they did with Zell. Lieberman is as much a Democrat as Zell Miller is make no mistake.. That is in name only. The GOP needs Lieberman and not Lamont who will deffanlty not vote or support Bush and the GOP..
Id be looking for voter fruad too..
GO LAMONT!!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:26 PM
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38. I just cannot see ANYONE getting that excited about Hound-Dog-Joe
He's just such a pathetic little droopy guy... :)
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cmkramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:38 PM
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40. GASP!
You mean Ned The Poodle got a taste of his own medicine?

Quel horror!

What fucking hypocrites! If Lieberman had been doing an event and Lamonts stormtroopers had shown up and flustered either the candidate or his staff, there would been video all over chortling about how "Holy Joe" had lost his cool.

Lieberman should've been doing that from the very beginning. Instead, he chose the Dukakis route with the same disastrous consequences.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:43 PM
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42. Actually, Lieberman didn't take his opponent the least bit seriously.
He thought that he'd win re-election out of some sort of entitlement.

Bad mistake. Joe forgot how to campaign in the 18 years he's been unopposed.

In short, he's completely out of touch with the people he's supposed to be representing. And thoose people are ready to show him the door.

Serves him right.

- as

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 01:10 AM
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45. First they laugh at you!
"First they laugh at you,
Then they fight you,
And then you Win..."
-- Ghandi

I have some threads bookmarked where some of our more offensive conservative DUers were laughing at Lamont's early campaign. Not laughing any more.
I'm going to LOVE serving them their words.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 01:15 AM
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46. The right always likes to show it's butt.
I think this will backfire.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 01:40 AM
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47. Those fuckers should've been arrested for disturbing the peace.
There is room for disagreement, but there is no room for people screaming in your face.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 02:03 AM
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49. Just like Kerry's people in NH primary
The ugly little secret that politicians won't talk about. The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that eager Republican aholes usually volunteer to do it.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 02:09 AM
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50. pictures here
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 02:12 AM
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51. that's that then- he *IS* a Republican
Even using their thugery!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 02:31 AM
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53. Lamont needs to make sure that he and his staffers do NOT take this bait.
They're trying to provoke him into doing something stupid. Just let them yell and make a scene.
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dharmabum65 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 03:41 AM
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56. Disgusting and shameful
This is just more proof that philosophicaly Liebermann has always been a Republican,and now it is finaly time for him to go,so that a real Democrat can stand up and defend the values and ideology of his constituents!I always knew that Joe Liebermann was a disloyal and duplicitious little weasel,but I am still astonished that he would resort to this type of disgraceful tactics.Go Lamont,lets show people what the Democratic party realy stands for!
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wagthedogwar Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 05:59 AM
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57. ...and throw George Will off the tube too, while your at it...
Frankly, this goes way past Leiberman...the whole entrenched 'leadership' (including the media) seem to feel ENTITLED to keep their positions; something that should be revolting to any person who would honor the dignity of the American Revolution and the memory of the Founding Fathers, party be damned.

Feed the tree of Liberty, throw the bums out, the whole freakin lot of them.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 08:48 AM
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65. How Did George Will Get Thrown Into This?
As a Burkean conservative he was always skeptical of the neocons. Now he's downright contemptuous of them and their plans.
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 07:44 AM
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59. Here's how the Hartford Courant describes one such scene:
http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/hc-sen0804.arta...

snip:

"At a campaign rally for Lamont at the Pratt & Whitney plant in Middletown Thursday, where supporters for Lieberman and Lamont tried to out-shout each other, the Rev. Jesse Jackson made the case.

"If you don't believe in the Democratic primary, don't run in it," Jackson said. "The party cannot afford to disintegrate over Lieberman's hedge politics."

Chanting "Hey, hey, ho, ho, Corporate Joe has got to go!" the union supporters for Lamont waved signs back and forth. About 10 Lieberman supporters across the street shouted, "Go, Joe, go!"

A supporter from each side got into a brief scuffle that involved the grabbing of a Lieberman sign, but no injuries were reported and no arrests were made."


:banghead:
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 07:50 AM
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60. Now where have we seen this sort of thing before? Oh, yeah...
http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/recount.htm
1. Tom Pyle, policy analyst, office of House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.).
2. Garry Malphrus, majority chief counsel and staff director, House Judiciary subcommittee on criminal justice.
3. Rory Cooper, political division staff member at the National Republican Congressional Committee.
4. Kevin Smith, former House Republican conference analyst and more recently of Voter.com.
5. Steven Brophy, former aide to Sen. Fred D. Thompson (R-Tenn.), now working at the consulting firm KPMG.
6. Matt Schlapp, former chief of staff for Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.), now on the Bush campaign staff in Austin.
7. Roger Morse, aide to Rep. Van Hilleary (R-Tenn.).
8. Duane Gibson, aide to Chairman Don Young (R-Alaska) of the House Resources Committee.
9. Chuck Royal, legislative assistant to Rep. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.).
10. Layna McConkey, former legislative assistant to former Rep. Jim Ross Lightfoot (R-Iowa), now at Steelman Health Strategies.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 08:17 AM
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61. Joe has been mad at us since nobody voted for him for prezzzz!
Look at his childish political tantrums since 2004.

Now that it's payback time, he's proving that he can dish it out, but that he can't take it!

Wait a minute...Dish it out and can't take it...HEYYYYYY...that's the GOP Modus Operandi in a nutshell!

Joe isn't acting like a semipub...that's not an act at all...it's the real deal.

One thing about the past 6 sorry years...it has awakened a lot of voters, who were never pissed off before! I think Joementum's downfall, is just a sample of things to come. We don't need to change parties to clean house. The Neodems can have my democratic voters registration card, when they pry it from my cold dead hands! GOPer light is still GOPer!

Read My Lips out there in Free Lunch Land...We the people are mad as Hell...and we're not gonna take this SAME OLD Shit, anymore...this is not a drill...this is goodbye Joe!

Before you flame me, think about who was kissing Bush...it NEVER was me! I never advised Joe to take a walk on the wrong side!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 08:26 AM
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64. He is a neoliberal.
He represents the neoconservative essence in democratic clothing.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:01 AM
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69. Precisely. It is no surprise that his campaign would stoop tp
So it is no surprise that his campaign would stoop to Republican campaign disruption tactics including violence in an attempt to provoke a violent reaction from the Lamont supporters. Republican thuggery is as Republican thugs do.

More info from Kos, with a link to the Lamont campaign website report on this vicious attack by LieberYouth.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/3/234627/9355
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:10 AM
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70. One of the things
I find most telling is that Lieberman -- like his friends in the White House -- doesn't respect the concept of democracy. He doesn't care if the voters reject him. He thinks he has the "right" to hold office, even if the voters prefer another candidate.

Republican thuggery defined!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:11 AM
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71. He made his bed...
The people are starting to see the Lite...the GOP Lite that is! Joe thought Bush was doing a fine job even though Bush has totally plundered the country, abolished the rule of law and the Constitution, destroyed ALL congressional oversight, pissed off 90% of the planets people and spit in our faces for 6 years. JOE and his fellow rose garden democrats are as wrong as the neocons they enable.

From NAFTA to Iraq, the neolibs are dead wrong for America! Playin kissy face with criminals and liars ain't gonna' get 'er done Joe! Lead, Follow, or GTF out of the way, DINOS!
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 08:59 AM
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66. What assholes
Lieberman had better fire the people responsible and make some sort of public statement distancing himself from those asshole tactics. It's disgraceful and an embarrassing stain on the primary.
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:16 AM
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72. I just read the story on the front page of the Meriden paper
about the episode there. What struck me was

1. how young most of the LIEberman supporters were

2. the LIEberman supporter they interviewed was from Boston

I had read about LIEberman enlisting COllege Republicans from out of state to help on his campaign and didn't really believe it was true. Now I believe it
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:28 AM
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73. front page one major newspaper in the area.
Edited on Fri Aug-04-06 11:00 AM by cal04
(this is from today's Connecticutblog)
I'll be real brief and then I'm moving on.

Jesse Jackson told us to focus and trust me, I'm trying my best but what happened yesterday was way over the line. I noticed a writer on another blog didn't notice any coverage of the event in the press. I felt that it was important to show him that this story did make it to the front page one major newspaper in the area. Other press were there and I'm sure more stories of what happened will surface as things really did get ugly.



http://connecticutblog.blogspot.com/
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:31 AM
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77. It now turns out that that guy is a WASHINGTON LOBBYIST
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:44 AM
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79. Liberman is a truly despicable individual.
Edited on Fri Aug-04-06 11:45 AM by catbert836
Until this campaign, I was able to respect his position as a conservative Democrat, not that I've agreed with much of what he thinks. But during this campaign, he's showed his true colors as a ruthless political animal, willing to do just about anything to keep his career afloat, from deserting his party of over 30 years to performing vicious character assassination on Lamont, whio has made it clear that he will support Liberman if he loses.

Rolling Stone had something right when they said that Liberman is just one of the many tired, compromising beaureaucrats that the Democratic Party trots out again and again on the premise they are "electable". It turns out the people, not the party, decides who's electable and who's not.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 02:57 PM
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90. he has no dignity . nt
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:45 AM
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80. The Lieber Youth should wear brown shirts EOM
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:49 AM
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81. PHOTO of Lieberman thugs

Well, probably some of these people were involved...
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:50 AM
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82. all Ned should have said is, "I'm a Democrat from the Democratic
wing of the Democratic party."
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 12:24 PM
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85. Are these the ones?


Republican dirty tricks 101
:puke:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 02:53 PM
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88. Lamont workers: Video cameras!
If I was working on the Lamont campaign, or I was at any of these events--I would be
sure to bring a video camera.

You can be sure that more of these shenanigans will happen. It will probably get
worse.

Get it on video. Reveal the truth. Beat them at their own game.

If these jerks want to act like this---let's show the entire world what uncouth, underhanded weasels these people are.
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graduate student Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 04:17 PM
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99. actually this is sort of a good thing...
i mean really, i bet the plain clothed folks at the dinner saw for themselves how disgusting lieberman and his ilk are for.

i mean there is no persuasive factor to such tactics.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 03:20 PM
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92. Oh, "Mr. Morality" is a thug. I'm shocked, just shocked!
:sarcasm:
Sure, the guy was just there having a fit on his own. Happens all the time in Connecticut. They're a passionate bunch up there, prone to public displays of hysteria and rudeness. It's free wheeling in the Yankee gateway, they're so volatile.


Shame shame shame Lieberman and thugs. You have defined yourself not only for the moment, but for all time. This is pathetic but expected. Lieberman betrayed Clinton, Lieberman betrayed Gore, Leiberman betrayed the Democratic party.

Lieberman is an embarrassment to us and our country.
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