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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:40 AM
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Rumsfeld: ‘I Have Never Painted A Rosy Picture’ About Iraq
Rumsfeld: ‘I Have Never Painted A Rosy Picture’ About Iraq

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CLINTON: Well, Mr. Secretary, I know you would and I know you feel strongly about it, but there’s a track record here. This is not 2002, 2003, 2004-5, when you appeared before this committee and made many comments and presented, you know, many assurances that have frankly proven to be unfulfilled, and –

RUMSFELD: Senator, I don’t think that’s true. I have never painted a rosy picture. I have been very measured in my words, and you’d have a dickens of a time trying to find instances where I have been excessively optimistic. I understand this is tough stuff.



Here’s just a few of the “overly optimistic” comments made by Rumsfeld:

Dec. 18, 2002: KING: What’s the current situation in Afghanistan? RUMSFELD: It is encouraging. They have elected a government through the Loya Jirga process. The Taliban are gone. The al Qaeda are gone.

Feb. 7, 2003: “It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”

Feb. 20 2003: “‘Do you expect the invasion, if it comes, to be welcomed by the majority of the civilian population of Iraq?’ Jim Lehrer asked the defense secretary on PBS’ The News Hour. ‘There is no question but that they would be welcomed,’ Rumsfeld replied, referring to American forces.”


VIDEO AT:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/03/rumsfeld-iraq-rosy/
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:41 AM
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1. What bothers me most is not that they lie, but
how arrogant they are while lying, as though anyone who calls them on their BS is launching a personal attack.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:43 AM
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2. He's a dick-ens of a liar.
:eyes:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:43 AM
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3. "You can't hide your lyin' eyes..."
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:45 AM
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4. Wish I could laugh
at the chasm between Rummy's predictions and the truth. Those lies cost thousands of deaths. He should be in chains on his way to The Hague
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:51 AM
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5. He was for Rosy pics before he was against them.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:54 AM
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6. With out a soul and with no morals he can lie 24 / 7
"..... you’d have a dickens of a time trying to find instances where I have been excessively optimistic."
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:00 PM
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7. we need a thread of all rummy's statements..and then send
them to Hillary and the other senators!

i am going through my files now..can everyone else do so as well??

we need to stick that bastards words up his ass!

fly
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:02 PM
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8. Cue up the song
"You're a lying sack of crap!"
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:04 PM
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9. no and he doesn't think our "laws" apply to him either! what a sac of crap
Rumsfeld: "I find it strange the laws apply to me"
Tanker Inquiry Finds Rumsfeld's Attention Was Elsewhere

By R. Jeffrey Smith
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 20, 2006; Page A15

The topic was the largest defense procurement scandal in recent decades, and the two investigators for the Pentagon's inspector general in Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's office on April 1, 2005, asked the secretary to raise his hand and swear to tell the truth.

Rumsfeld agreed but complained. "I find it strange," he said to the investigators, on the grounds that as a government official "the laws apply to me" anyway.

It was a bumpy start to an odd interview, as Rumsfeld cited poor memory, loose office procedures, and a general distraction with "the wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan to explain why he was unsure how his department came to nearly squander $30 billion leasing several hundred new tanker aircraft that its own experts had decided were not needed.

Then-Inspector General Joseph E. Schmitz, who resigned last year to take a job with a defense contractor, told senators at a June 2005 hearing that the transcript of Rumsfeld's interview was deleted from his 256-page report on the tanker lease scandal because Rumsfeld had not said anything relevant.

But a copy of the transcript, obtained recently by The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act...............

more at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20 ...


fly
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:12 PM
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15. Rumsfeld Lies Documented
Rumsfeld Lies Documented

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/bodyguard

Rumsfeld Lies Documented
Submitted by davidswanson on Fri, 2006-05-05 21:56. Evidence
OIL, POWER AND EMPIRE
Iraq and the U.S. Global Agenda
Larry Everest

Common Courage Press
Monroe, Maine
Copyright © 2004 by Larry Everest.
All rights reserved.

**************

Appendix
“A Bodyguard of Lies”
Dissecting U.S. Pretexts for War

Of course, this conjures up Winston Churchill’s famous phrase when he said—don’t quote me on this, okay? I don’t want to be quoted on this, so don’t quote me. He said ‘sometimes the truth is so precious it must be accompanied by a bodyguard of lies.’
—Donald Rumsfeld, US Department of Defense Briefing, September 25, 2001 1
“To build its case for war with Iraq, the Bush administration argued that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, but some officials now privately acknowledge the White House had another reason for war—a global show of American power and democracy.
Officials inside government and advisers outside told ABC News the administration emphasized the danger of Saddam’s weapons to gain the legal justification for war from the United Nations and to stress the danger at home to Americans.
“We were not lying,” said one official. “but it was just a matter of emphasis.”
—ABC News, April 25, 2003 2
In fact, they were lying. Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, the U.S. government relentlessly created pretexts to wage war against Iraq. Charges were featured daily on the front pages of newspapers and as lead stories on TV. As the truth leaked out before the war, it was buried, downplayed, or barely reported. No wonder a USA Today poll reported that over 50 percent of Americans believed there was a direct link between the Sept. 11 attacks and Saddam Hussein,3 even though there was no evidence of such a connection.
The main pretexts that the U.S. used to argue for war on Iraq were that:
1. Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction in violation of UN resolutions;
2. with such weapons, Iraq posed a significant threat to the U.S. and neighboring countries; and
3. Iraq was linked to alleged terrorist organizations, such as al Qaeda.
Yet, as of this writing, no “weapons of mass destruction” have been found in Iraq, more than half a year after the U.S. invasion, and it seems very unlikely that the U.S. will ever find anything resembling the quantities alleged to justify the invasion. In addition, no credible link had been established between the Iraqi government and al Qaeda, the Ansar al-Islam group, September 11th, or any attack against the U.S. in at least ten years. What emerges is a portrait of a big power willing to use any fig leaf, no matter how flimsy, to cover its naked imperialist motives for waging war on Iraq.
In fact, by the end of the summer 2003, in the face of the failure to find any weapons of mass destruction and some exposure of the “intelligence” relied upon by the White House, the Bush administration began to revise its reasons for invading Iraq, downplaying the WMD pretext. Rather than charge that Iraq actually had weapons of mass destruction, the administration began to claim only that Iraq had a WMD “program,” that the invasion was intended to “liberate” the people of Iraq, and that it was part of an overall effort to transform the Middle East. The Washington Post noted, “As the search for weapons in Iraq continues without success, the Bush administration has moved to emphasize a different rationale for the war against Saddam Hussein: using Iraq as the ‘linchpin’ to transform the Middle East and thereby reduce the terrorist threat to the United States. President Bush, who has stopped talking about Iraq’s weapons, said…that ‘the rise of a free and peaceful Iraq is critical to the stability of the Middle East, and a stable Middle East is critical to the security of the American people.’”4# Deputy Defense Secretary Wolfowitz, after a trip to Iraq, said flat out, “I’m not concerned about weapons of mass destruction…. I’m concerned about getting Iraq on its feet. I didn’t come on a search for weapons of mass destruction.”#5
The following discussion examines some of the charges that were raised to justify the attack on Iraq. It also examines government statements during and after the war related to weapons of mass destruction and Iraq’s alleged links to terrorism.

more at link!!!!!!!!!!

fly


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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:06 PM
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10. Rumsfield is a liar
I remember hearing how they would greet us as Liberators in the streets with flowers and candy... How this war would pay for itself... How this would be a quick action....

I know this man is a liar....
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:06 PM
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11. IIRC, in 2005 we "turned the corner" enough times
to officially say we were going in circles. :sarcasm:
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:07 PM
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12. well, he may not have painted a rosy picture
but he took a cake for a walk...
:evilgrin:
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:07 PM
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13. God, I hope he lives long enough to go to prison.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:10 PM
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14. Fucking Liar. "5 days, 5 weeks, 5 months. Not longer than that."
Edited on Thu Aug-03-06 12:10 PM by DistressedAmerican
How rosey were you when you were saying that to congress, the media and to the TROOPS themselves Rummy?

Fucking lying war criminal scum.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 06:23 PM
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16. What was it, 5 weeks into 3.5 years of war, when RUMFELD'S MILITARY put
up that "Mission Accomplished" sign? Now they're talking 10 years? And maybe never, if PNAC Plan B works out. (We're a "Gulf of Tonkin" incident away from jumping into "Israel's war.")

Some young Israelis on CSpan radio a few days ago were talking about "a hundred years war." (Neither they nor their children nor their children's children would see peace. And they sounded so...I don't know...depressed.)

5 weeks in. Mission Accomplished. That wasn't a "rosey colored" BALD-FACED LIE?

--------------

Somebody's really got to Photoshop a picture of Rumsfeld's rose-colored glasses. (Maybe used heart-shaped lenses, a la Lolita.) The Rose-Colored War, in which we send Valentines to the tortured prisoners of Abu Ghraib. "Flowers and chocolates"--love, Donald.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 06:30 PM
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17. "Rumsfeld Shouldn't be Fired, He Should be Indicted!"
Rumsfeld Shouldn't be Fired, He Should be Indicted
by Matthew Rothschild

“Secretary Rumsfeld has publicly admitted that . . . he ordered an Iraqi national held in Camp Cropper, a high security detention center in Iraq, to be kept off the prison’s rolls and not presented to the International Committee of the Red Cross,” the report noted. The Geneva Conventions require countries to grant the Red Cross access to all detainees. “

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0418-24.htm

Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfeld has not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfeld.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 08:25 PM
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18. What about when he said
freedom is untidy or something like that.

And where he said, "On my goodness gracious sakes" (liberally paraphrased) "people are saying the sky is falling" etc.

Disgusting POS!
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:53 PM
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19. find a way to link
any Senator or Representative to this and you've got a fine campaign commercial.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:55 PM
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20. Oh, SNAP! K&R
There's got to be more, too. Who thought up that stupid 'greeting troops with flowers' crap?
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:56 PM
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21. Oh, and...
why didn't Senator Clinton have those statements right at her fingertips so she could quote them back at the old war criminal? It would have been a perfect set-up.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:13 PM
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22. Henny Penny the sky is falling!
deranged old fucker should be in a home for the inept yet criminally insane.
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