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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:36 AM
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How stupid are we? Needless "crisis" and likely war. Falling for it again.
Edited on Thu Aug-03-06 12:17 PM by Armstead
Didn't our country learn anything from the build-up to the Iraq War?

Create a boogeyman, escalate an ongoing problem into a "crisis" and set it up so that war is the only solution.

Yee Haw! It's on to Tehran boys and girls! We'll show them damn Iranians who's boss. And the Iranian people will embrace us as liberators. Democracy and peace will flourish in the Middle East as a result.

As Yogi Berra said: "It's like deja vu all over again."
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:39 AM
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1. Again, there is not near the "cannon fodder" to pull it off ...
Edited on Thu Aug-03-06 11:40 AM by ShortnFiery
The best Chimpy can do is do a few air strikes. That's bad enough but those of us who have ZERO ties to anything connected with the Middle East are not going to trip over each other racing to to go kill and die for people we have NOTHING in common with (either side).

There won't be enough troops to even consider an invasion of Syria. Ain't gonna happen because it's logistically impossible. ;)
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:41 AM
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2. Logistically impossible? When did that ever stop them?
Iraq was logistically impossible. Didn't stop us from trying that one.

And the invasion will not be Syria (unless it's an intermediate step). It's Iran that we've made into the boogeyman who must be stopped by an invasion.

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SutaUvaca Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:04 PM
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3. Logistically impossible?
Of course. No sane military commander would attempt to fight on yet another front now, even if there were legitimate reasons for a fight. I believe a far more sinister invasion is the eventual goal of BushCo and the Cheney-Cartel.

Invade Iran, or Syria, or whoever, and when the whole world begins to unravel into both military and economic chaos, Cowboy will be directed from above to declare martial law. No more elections, since Himself will declare the need to safeguard us even more, and of course congress will be required to pass the Patriotic Participation Act (conscription into the Army of Freedom)and all the cannon fodder the neocons want can be simply hauled out of the houses of America in the middle of the night.

It is the complete "invasion" of our own country, aside from the oil and power driven greed, that seems likely to be the ultimate goal.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:08 PM
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4. I wouldn't go that far....But that could well be the result
I doubt they deliberatly want to impose such a defacto coup. But that would likely be the result.

You can't have an Empire without breaking a few eggs.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:32 PM
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5. Oh ye of little faith ...
I know in my heart (and from being a child of the 70s) they will NOT pull it off. I have much more faith in The American People. When we're backed into a corner, we'll fight.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:38 PM
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6. I usually agree -- But current evidence is the opposite
We're already backed into a corner. But we're once again letting the Neo-cons weave their spell and repeating the same pattern of the Iraq War buildup.

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:45 PM
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7. OK, a nasty bombing campaign, sure
However, there are NOT adequate ground troops to pull off any type of invasion. An invasion is NOT a possibility without a DRAFT.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 02:26 PM
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9. Bingo!...A draft
I would not be surprised if at some point these jokers get us backed into such a dangerous corner that they will impose a draft on the grounds of national security.

And I fear the piblic and politicians will respond in the same way as in the past six years. Some people will be upset and try to stop it, but the elites and the sheeple demographic will just go along with it.

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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 02:31 PM
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10. that what seems to be percolating in my thoughts lately...
the intended invasion is really of the US and western democracy - whatever's left of it. The signs are all there, bright and eye burning.

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:49 PM
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8. It's the PNAC plan...on schedule no doubt.
:grr:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 02:32 PM
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11. Gotta give them credit for tenacity., at least
Edited on Thu Aug-03-06 02:32 PM by Armstead
They take a licking but keep on ticking.

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michael_1166 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 03:06 PM
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12. Baby George says:



And whatever George says he wants so dearly, he gets. Men in uniform obeying an imbecile's every word, in times when their job should be to putsch him out of the White House for restoring sanity.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 03:21 PM
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15. How did you do that? LOL
One of the best animated graphics I've seen
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michael_1166 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 04:38 PM
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17. Thanks but the animation is from
http://b3ta.hnldesign.nl /

If you're there, check out his "Record store cats" collection ;-)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 03:09 PM
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13. We never learn.
We will never learn, it appears. We can hope for an Age of Enlightenment, I guess?
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michael_1166 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 03:21 PM
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14. To be honest I hope for an age
where the the dominating species on Earth are plants. I'd like to get reincarnated as a tree, standing in the sunshine, moderate temperatures, a lake at my feet.
Consciousness? Forget it. Nature tried it once, and it almost destroyed the planet. So from an evolutionary point of view, consciousness has turned out to be a bad idea not to be repeated.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 03:23 PM
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16. I think a lot of people already are plants....,Poison Ivy
Consciousness is already passe
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