Islam against the world

[Phx_Dem]

We shall not win this war because it is an isolated battle; just another promotional campaign leading to the real war whose signs are already on the horizon: The third world war – Islam's war against the free world

This war will end sometime. It will take another day or two, perhaps a week or two, but it will end. We shall persevere, then lick our wounds, gird our loins and go back to the TV commercials, holidays and song festivals. Hizbullah will indeed suffer a severe military blow, and perhaps we'll earn some artificial calm under the patronage of some international scarecrow army wearing shorts and holding a pair of binoculars. Perhaps we'll even manage to get our abducted soldiers back under some dubious prisoner exchange agreement that would enable the two sides to swallow their pride. Whatever the consequences, we shall not emerge triumphant from the war in Lebanon which happened to be forced upon us.

We shall not win this war because the Hizbullah cannot be uprooted from Lebanon just as it is impossible to uproot the Moslem fundamentalism prevalent throughout Arab countries. We shall not win, because on the other side there is a group of anti-democratic people (not marginal in the Moslem world) who have legitimized lying and falsehood. It is a group that creates a reality by mere words and imagination and not by empirical methodology, free speech and self criticism. Even if Israeli tanks stand at Beirut's door, Nasrallah will present himself as Sallah al-Din, and even if all his fighters fall in battle – he will declare victory over the Zionists. And most of his admirers (and they are many) will accept his lies. But above all, we shall not win this war because it is a single battle, just one more promotional campaign leading to the real war whose signs are already on the horizon. The third world war – Islam's war against the free world.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284057,00.html

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Islam is not Hezbollah

any more than Sein Fein is Catholicism.

Muslims I know dance and eat and pray with Jews, Christians, Hindus, Wiccans, etc, etc. When you do that, it is very very difficult to hate.

[demosincebirth]

2. Where do you live?

Where I live it seems that muslims isolate themselves from others.

[Master Mahon]

4. re:muslims isolate themselves

is that in order to protect themselves?
We've succeed in demonizing them in the press over the last 6 years.

[demosincebirth]

66. Nope, its just an observation

I live in a area where many from the middle east(muslims) and from India (hindu), live.
Indians are very more sociable than muslims.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

6. In Arkansas

And I know of Sufi shaykhs in North Carolina (Sharif Baba) and on the west coast (I think Seattle-Jelalidun Laurus)-both those gentlemen are from abroad. The US headquarters for one of my orders is in New Lebanon, NY, in part of the first Shaker community buildings; the main mosque for another order is in New York City. When I lived in DFW, I knew several members of the Muslim community there who were from abroad and weren't Sufis. They automatically accepted me and my husband, and appeared to simply want to get on in their new country. That they hung out with their fellow Muslims was, from my impression, simply so they could converse with one another in Arabic. Wasn't all that different than when my great grandparents entertained the travelling Lutheran ministers in their home so that they could speak German again (they stopped out of fear of retribution during WWI).

[demosincebirth]

70. To me, like I said in the other post, its just an observation

from one who resides in the Liberal Bay Area.

[Hatalles]

74. I'm a Muslim who also lives in the "Liberal Bay Area"

... and I have no idea what you're talking about. Perhaps you should be a little more proactive? My father spends an incredible amount of his free time doing outreach for his local mosque, organizing events about Islam open to everyone in the community, and is very involved in his diversity and tolerance committee at work. He goes out of his way to try and dispel the kinds of myths and generalizations.... but yeah, whatever. :shrug:

[EFerrari]

75. I'm sorry, Hatalles. And I guess that makes us neighbors.

Hi from Ocean Beach.

:hi:

[Hatalles]

76. Hello, from Fremont, CA. (actually in Hayward right now) =)

:pals:

[demosincebirth]

78. Sorry, I don't visit religious houses of worship .

Sounds like proselytizing.

[EFerrari]

81. Sounds like community service to me. Proselytizing?

lol

[Hatalles]

83. Do you visit libraries?

Because that's where the next event is taking place. A lot of other lectures, dinners, and events open to all take place at the MCA in Santa Clara... but I suppose that can be considered a "house of worship."

Sorry, most Muslim Americans like me aren't interested in proselytizing. I just want to do away with generalizations and stereotypes. All I really want is to be regarded with indifference.

[EFerrari]

85. If I put you both on our guest list for an entertainment Friday

can we get over it? It's comedy in Mill Valley. PM me with whatever name you might want to use. I'll put you down +1. No one will bug you.

So much for isolating in the liberal Bay Area.

:)

:grouphug:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

96. excuse me while I laugh

we Sufis don't proselytize-in fact, it is forbidden! If you live in the Bay Area, I bet you've never heard of Sami Mahal, yet it is there-a main Sufi center where Haz. Murshid S.A.M, first American Sufi, lived and taught. But why don't you know about it? Because it is not your path. Peace be with you.

[WinkyDink]

59. Perhaps. But do you live in Indonesia, Algeria, France, the Phillippines,

India, IRAQ?
Among other places.

[Ms. Clio]

63. And that's the whole point

Do you not understand that this article is the equivalent of claiming a "worldwide conspiracy of Jewish bankers." It's utterly absurd.

[Hatalles]

68. What are you poking at?

I'm a Muslim born and raised in California who has been to Pakistan, Dubai, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, among other places. My mother (she's now in her fifties), who was born and raised in Pakistan, went to Catholic school growing up and, eight years ago, reunited with her favorite teacher in Hyderabad (a black Catholic women who has lived much of her life in Pakistan) who still remembered her with fondess. My mother also just recently returned from another trip to Pakistan in which she befriended a Christian Pakistani who works for my uncle. He plans on visiting us in the States eventually.

Isn't this a whole lot better than broadbrushing?

[blue collar welder]

95. Did not catch the name but

I heard on NPR, some high level Muslim cleric say that over a BILLION muslims are in full support of Hezbolla,so after hearing this,I'd have to say that a least the leadership of Islam is backing them and there-by saying that if you are a Muslim you must also support them.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

97. Let me explain about Islam

There is no leader of the Muslims, as there is the leader of the Catholics, namely the Pope. NO cleric in Islam is considered infallible, and each Muslim is responsible for their connection to God (no need for a cleric to intervene). Besides, there are many different sects of Islam, and they operate in different ways. Unless this unnamed "cleric" is Pir Zia Inayat Khan, head of my Order, I don't plan to believe or follow what he says.

Let's use an analogy; if you are Lutheran, are you going to go along with everything the Pope says and tells you to do? After all, you're both Christians.

BTW, welcome to DU.

[Master Mahon]

3. Islam's war against the free world?

Their supersized firecrackers will bring about the end of the world as we know it!! Yeah, the one where we can speak freely, know everything our Gov't does in our name, vote freely and have it counted, organize freely,
etc....

[katty]

60. how about the West and Christians against Islam?another POV

[BohemianJordy]

5. I really don't like

that article...this whole Islam is the enemy of freedom everywhere is such crap.

I mean, okay, fringe leaders and extremists are in control of some of the country's in the middle east, but you could say the same about the United States. These leaders don't represent the general sentiment of their populations...

The sad thing is, so many right-wingers seem to be drumming up for this. Think of how easily a war like this could be avoided? Our futures are being controlled by warmongers on all sides...I really wish something could be done so we in the United States, Israel, and the Arab world could get some more sane people in control and maybe help the peace process a bit...

A war of the west vs. the middle east isn't inevitable. I can't believe people are already marching towards it like it's already here.

[Ms. Clio]

7. where did this crap come from?

There are 2 billion Muslims in dozens of countries around the globe. Is this idiot suggesting that every single one of them is engaged in "a war against the world?"

Thanks for posting more ugly propaganda, that's just what we need around here.

[bdamomma]

9. bushie is promoting the crusade between Christianity and Islamic

/Muslim ideologies, the stupid man believes in good/evil, black/white, plus he is alcoholic who has never got help, among other psychological problems he has.

[Ms. Clio]

20. not just him, unfortunately

The folks who used to be called "the crazies" during Poppy Bush's admin are now running the show.

[Phx_Dem]

10. your welcome

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. Yeah, you and Stormfront.

Seriously, do you believe this garbage or did you just post it as an example of what right wing loonies are talking abotu?

[Phx_Dem]

50. I don't think we are heading towards WWIII

but the author make a lot of salient points about islamic culture.

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[Ms. Clio]

54. There is no such thing as "islamic culture"

What an unbelievably ignorant statement.

[Phx_Dem]

61. wrong again as usual

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_culture

So your OK with the way women and gays are treated in predominately Islamic countries?

"As a result, religious Muslims sometimes claim that there is no Muslim culture, only a Muslim religion. However, secular academia does not acknowledge this distinction, since it views religion as one aspect of cultural anthropology and history."

I take it this applies to you?

[Ms. Clio]

62. Yeah, because I'm an academic, and so I know better than to quote Wiki

especially for questions such as this.

Do you honestly think you sound like you know what you are talking about?

[Phx_Dem]

64. I like wikipedia

and I also like the way I sound, thanks. Maybe you could answer my question about civil rights--or don't you want to go there?

[Ms. Clio]

65. Okee dokee

whatever floats your boat. But don't expect serious consideration from people who know better than to quote Wiki as the final authority on anything.

[Phx_Dem]

77. I never said it was a final authority

but it is a good place to start.

[Ms. Clio]

79. no, it's not -- the library is a good place to start, or Juan Cole

is a good place to start.

[Phx_Dem]

82. So I guess you don't want to talk about human rights in the ME

OK, later maybe.

[Ms. Clio]

87. "human rights" -- that's not what that piece of crap you posted is about

when you're ready to talk about that, we'll see.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

100. I don't mind talking human rights in the ME

in fact, many many Sufis both here and there talk about it all the time. We just realize it is more a sectarian factor than anything else. Sufis are persecuted in places like SA because they speak out for tolerance and equality. The Wahhabists and other fundamentalists don't want that, and destroy Sufi shrines and meeting places. And yet both groups are Muslim, just with different interpretations of things. Let's make the analogy with Christianity again-someone from Unity isn't going to agree or abide with what Pat Robertson says, but will say that he, like they, are Christian. Personally, I think the Robertsons of the world would LOVE to be in charge of governments like the Wahhabists are in SA-so they could have religious police, etc, etc. Sadly, this could happen, and then I fear you'd find the US looking a lot more like SA.

[rman]

94. Is there such a thing as Christian culture, given that

there are "reli-fundies" but also "religious progressives"? Given that some believe in a wrathful god and other believe in a loving god?

Do you really think all muslims are religious fundamentalists?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

99. Have you checked the histories of these places

before they were Muslim? The pagan Arabs routinely placed girl babies out in the desert to die so they wouldn't have to raise them-and robbed women of their doweries and them throwing them out of the house. The Qur'an talks about, and condemns, these practices.

And India, a nation where just recently there was anti-gay violence and where women are notorious as often being considered second class citizens, is predominently Hindu, and was Hindu and indiginous in its relgions long before the Mogols came with Islam.

The Hope Project in New Delhi is aimed at teaching women so they can be indedpendent businesspeople. It is funded by my Sufi Order, the founder of which came from India. His son said that homosexuals were not only welcome in our Order, but could become teachers-that sexual orientation is not a bar to spiritual advancement.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

98. How do you define "Islamic culture"?

Not a flame, just curious. Do you assume, for example, that all women in Islam are subservient? That minute laws of dress and behavior are to always be obeyed or else?

There are countries where this is followed (I'm thinking SA here), but places where it is not--India being a good example. And different sects of Islam do things differently. I'm most familiar with Sufis, and know Sufis from around the world. Might surprise you to know that in Somalia, women in Sufi orders are spiritual leaders and are respected by all. They have as much clout as the men. And Muslims around the world discuss what exactly is meant by "modest dress", which has wide variation.

Instead of reading one piece and one person's opinion on Islam, may I suggest you go to www.muslimwakeup.com ? It is a website for progressive muslims, and has many different articles and discussions going. You may be surprised at what you find there.

[Ms. Clio]

33. Enjoy it while it lasts n/t

[Phx_Dem]

39. Thanks for making my point for me.....

[QuestionAll...]

18. not our need, but someone's need ..... nt

[Scurrilous]

21. It came from the opinion page of Yedioth Ahronoth (ynetnews).

Here's a snippet from an editorial by the editor in chief:

"I have no problem considering myself less moral if it will save the life of one Golani soldier. For him I am ready to wash the Hizbullah terrorists with fire. I am ready to do the same to their helpers, their collaborators, the ones who turn a blind eye, and all those in contact with Hizbullah. May their innocents die instead of ours."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3283206,00.html


Gideon Levy explains the phenomenon:

Days of darkness

<snip>

"In war as in war: Israel is sinking into a strident, nationalistic atmosphere and darkness is beginning to cover everything. The brakes we still had are eroding, the insensitivity and blindness that characterized Israeli society in recent years is intensifying. The home front is cut in half: the north suffers and the center is serene. But both have been taken over by tones of jingoism, ruthlessness and vengeance, and the voices of extremism that previously characterized the camp's margins are now expressing its heart. The left has once again lost its way, wrapped in silence or "admitting mistakes." Israel is exposing a unified, nationalistic face."

<snip>

"Chauvinism and an appetite for vengeance are raising their heads. If two weeks ago only lunatics such as Safed Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu spoke about "wiping out every village where a Katyusha is fired," now a senior officer in the IDF speaks that way in Yedioth Aharonoth's main headlines. Lebanese villages may not have been wiped out yet, but we have long since wiped out our own red lines.

A bereaved father, Haim Avraham, whose son was kidnapped and killed by Hezbollah in October 2000, fires an artillery shell into Lebanon for the reporters. It's vengeance for his son. His image, embracing the decorated artillery shell is one of the most disgraceful images of this war. And it's only the first. A group of young girls also have their picture taken decorating IDF shells with slogans.

Maariv, which has turned into the Fox News of Israel, fills its pages with chauvinist slogans reminiscent of particularly inferior propaganda machines, such as "Israel is strong" - which is indicative of weakness, actually - while a TV commentator calls for the bombing of a TV station.

Lebanon, which has never fought Israel and has 40 daily newspapers, 42 colleges and universities and hundreds of different banks, is being destroyed by our planes and cannon and nobody is taking into account the amount of hatred we are sowing. In international public opinion, Israel has been turned into a monster, and that still hasn't been calculated into the debit column of this war. Israel is badly stained, a moral stain that can't be easily and quickly removed. And only we don't want to see it."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/744061.html

[Ms. Clio]

30. thanks for the additional info

more from Levy's piece:

Since we've grown accustomed to thinking collective punishment a legitimate weapon, it is no wonder no debate has sparked here over the cruel punishment of Lebanon for Hezbollah's actions. If it was okay in Nablus, why not Beirut? The only criticism being heard about this war is over tactics. Everyone is a general now and they are mostly pushing the IDF to deepen its activities. Commentators, ex-generals and politicians compete at raising the stakes with extreme proposals.

Haim Ramon "doesn't understand" why there is still electricity in Baalbek; Eli Yishai proposes turning south Lebanon into a "sandbox"; Yoav Limor, a Channel 1 military correspondent, proposes an exhibition of Hezbollah corpses and the next day to conduct a parade of prisoners in their underwear, "to strengthen the home front's morale."


Just shining with "moral authority." My god.

[EFerrari]

67. "May their innocents die instead of ours."

Now, there's a progressive value we can ALL get behind. :puke:

[The Straight Story]

73. It's not much worse than what I hear about christians on here

Christians want to end the world, muslims want to rule it, all of em suck cause they believe in fairy tales, etc and so on.

There are some fucked up christians, jews, muslims, atheists, et al in this world.

It absolutely AMAZES me that if we say the same things about other groups as we do christians around here people go bonkers. I posted a thread about an atheist who removed some crosses on a roadside memorial at his house and you think I would have bombed an orphange.

Post something negative about most groups and it seems you are promoting hate and ignorance. Post it about christians and you get applauded and recommended (as a thread I posted today did about the motto 'in god we trust' being disrupted).

Most people in our country are some form of christian - so we find it ok to attack them ad hoc and expect their votes. Post ONE thread about some muslim nutbag and it is hateful?

[Ms. Clio]

89. "Muslim nutbag?" What? Did you even read the article?

I understand your POV, but that's not what this thread is about.

[The Straight Story]

90. I can grep that

But the thread and it's replies does encapsulate the things I mentioned.

there are people on a lot of sides that say crazy shit - but they don't represent the majority (I think) of folk who hold similar core beliefs.

If I were to post something nutty from a muslim it would seem to some I was fostering hate or propoganda. Do the same with Pat robertson and crew and people cheer it as truth.

Why?

[Ms. Clio]

91. I'm sorry, you lost me

Who would cheer something "nutty" from Pat Robertson? Or do you mean that calling Pat Robertson "nutty" is wrong?

The article is by an Israeli scholar who is saying that all of Islam is conspiring against the free world. If someone said that about Jews or Catholics, it would be just as wacked out and wrong.

[The Straight Story]

92. Well I am glad you see that

Sadly, I don't think some here do.

I have seen many posts stating that christians are nutty and want the end to come, want war, etc and so on. I am a christian and I don't feel that way.

I post something about some nutty christians, like I did tonight, and people are all on board with that. Post something about muslims being nutty and we are promoting hate.

bash a christian, that is cool and ok. Bash another faith and their vocal few and you are a bushy propogandist. Not sure how that works...

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

101. perhaps I can explain

Most people in the US, and, I daresay, who frequent this board are familiar with Christianity and know, for example, that not all Christians believe the same thing, etc, etc. When something is posted about the fundamentalist Christians, it is often assumed that most will realize it is about them and them only, and not a reflection on the entire religion.

What I often find on threads like these is a lot of misinformation about Islam. I don't get mad at the people for posting what they do; this is the information that they have, this is how they perceive the faith.

Here are few things that some people don't understand about Islam:

1. There is no one great head of Islam who is equal to the Pope in power and influence (despite what some news reports imply).

2. Each Muslim is responsible for their own salvation, and don't have to go to a priest or cleric to obtain absolution of sins, etc. In fact, the clerics that are so often quoted in the press are merely Islamic scholars; just as we might respect a Biblical scholar, these people are respected.

3. There are many different sects in Islam, and they don't operate the same way. Just as Christianity runs the gamut from Amish to Pentacostal to Unity and beyond, so does Islam. I'm most familiar with Sufism, and know that just within that sect there are many different orders, with different rules and outlooks.

[Mandate My Ass]

8. Rubbish

It's more like the two most belligerent rogue superpowers against the Muslim world. Israel's treatment of its neighbors is abhorrent and yet they always portray themselves as victims trying to live in peace.

The war in Lebanon is war of choice, just like Iraq is a war of choice. Nobody "forced" anybody's hand. Kidnappings by both sides are commonplace but Israel chose to portray this one as beyond the pale even though they kidnapped two Palestinians which stared all this.

Keep drinking the yummy kool-aide. Tastes great, less filling. :eyes:

[Phx_Dem]

11. So israel should just let itself be bombed and

keep her mouth shut. Is that what you are saying?

[Mandate My Ass]

14. Nice try

I never said that or even implied it.

Why didn't you also tell me I'm a terrorist supporter while you're pulling fallacies out of your butt?

[Phx_Dem]

24. OK, so WTF does this mean:

Israel's treatment of its neighbors is abhorrent and yet they always portray themselves as victims trying to live in peace.

[Mandate My Ass]

You figure it out

Israel, with its extreme military superiority couldn't get rid of Hezbollah after years and years of occupying Lebanon. Now, less than a year after Democratic elections, Israel is bombing a recent ally into the Stone Age because they couldn't do in less than a year what Israel wasn't able do in over a decade. Nice neighbor. Look up occupation in West Bank and Gaza while you're at it. They bulldoze houses, farmland and orchards outside of their own borders because people don't have Israeli permits. Well why should they?

[Phx_Dem]

45. Then I'll just assume that you think it's OK when Israel's

neighbors launch rockets at Israel.

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[Ms. Clio]

22. what does that have to do with the anti-Islam crap you posted?

[oberliner]

13. Israel didn't kidnap two Palestinians and that isn't what started all this

Everybody likes their own flavor of kool-aid, I guess. :eyes:

[EFerrari]

16. So, tell us, how many Palestinians is the criminal Israeli government

holding?

Surely, it's not two.

[oberliner]

105 are being held unfairly in administrative detention

http://www.btselem.org/english/Administrative_Detention/Statistics.asp

They have also arrested numerous Palestinians for planning to carry out suicide attacks in Israel.

Unfortunately Abdel-Basset Odeh was not one them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netanya_suicide_attack

Peace

[EFerrari]

35. Too bad Israel and our criminal government can't get these

"detention" centers together. It would be so much more efficient.

No justice, no peace.

[Mandate My Ass]

19. Ah the drive by flamebait dropper

is here. Yippee. :dunce:

[EFerrari]

23. I think I have to alert on my own post in this thread.

It's been good to read yours, during all of this cR@P! A relief.

/grammar as if anyone is really reading

[Swamp Rat]

37. I am!

I see everything! :D

[EFerrari]

41. LOL!

Okay, back to the mines.

:loveya:

[Swamp Rat]

56. Info on the author:

Oz Almog
Department of Sociology
Emek Jeezrael College
[email protected]

About The Author: Dr. Oz Almog is a lecturer in Sociology at the Emek Jeezrael College in Israel. He specializes in Israeli Popular Culture, the Cultural History of Israeli Society and Semiological analysis. His book Sabra: The Creation of the New Jew will be published in 1999 by The University of California Press, Berkeley.

_____________________

""They are right to be afraid because what has developed among close to one billion Moslems is a system of propaganda generating unbelievable anti-Jewish hatred," Almog told the Forward. "I don't call this antisemitic, because it comes from Semites. It is real brainwashing, daily, and in some ways worse that that of the Nazis. In Arab culture, it is easy to disseminate lies. People don't view what they are seeing with critical eyes. It is anti-Jewish incitement, pure and simple, and it is connected to their theology. So the Jews of America are right to be afraid. Terror will continue, and eventually Americans will begin to ask themselves 'why should I accept this because of the Jews?' Jews will become the scapegoat.""

http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.06.07/news3.html

[EFerrari]

57. Oh, really?

"In Arab culture, it is easy to disseminate lies. People don't view what they are seeing with critical eyes."

Another racist with a PhD.

Makes me so proud.

[Hatalles]

69. There's quite a lot of people these days ...

... who make a living satiating the appetites of their racist audiences.

"You can't make somebody understand something if their salary depends upon them not understanding it."

[EFerrari]

71. Yes, it's quite the trend. In fact, the fanning of bigotry is probably

the biggest threat to our so called republic that we will deal with in our life time.

[oberliner]

34. Right back at ya.

I'm really appreciating the civility you've brought to our disagreements.

:toast:

[Laotra]

36. Ya Nasrallah ya habib, udrub udrub Tel Aviv!

eom

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[Phx_Dem]

28. your welcome

don't agree that it's racist though....

[EFerrari]

38. Naturally. n/t

[Ms. Clio]

40. It's "you're"

you're welcome.

Oh, and 9 out of 10 rational posters agree: it's racist crap.

[Hatalles]

17. What a bunch of Islamophobic garbage.

eom

[JackNewtown]

26. Was that written by PNAC? nt

[jerry611]

27. What the hell??

Hezbollah does not preach Islam.

Hezbollah preaches revenge, genocide, hate, and violence...nothing else. And I seriously doubt any god would approve of what that organization is doing.

[McCamy Taylor]

31. The message behind the hate is FEAR. Compassion is needed

to understand the fear and help Israel overcome it's fear of another Holocaust, a fear that will probably haunt it as long as the survivors and their children live.*

See the words of the Dalai Lama to Israel in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1780833



*This is the passage from the article cited that is most important for it reveals the author's true feelings, the fear behind all the bold talk:

"They are directly or indirectly assisting to update the image of Satan from the ghetto-like Jew to the "new Jew", namely the Israeli. They are not doing much to prevent the fundamentalist finger from pushing the button that will, God forbid, send 6 million "new Jews" up to heaven in the smoldering smoke of the global era's nuclear furnace. And we the Jews? Then as now, we are burying our heads in the sand, repressing the new Nazism – the Islamic fundamentalism."

[EFerrari]

44. This post deserves its own thread.

:)

[Ms. Clio]

48. I'm more worried about the fearful Lebanese, many of them Christians

in the first place, than I am about the paranoid fears of this racist author.

[Taxloss]

49. Why do you point out that many of them are Christians?

How does that make the slightest difference?

[EFerrari]

51. Maybe because it speaks to the suction this insanity exerts

on *everyone*?

[Ms. Clio]

52. Because the article is an anti-Islam screed

not sure PhxDem understands that it's not just those evil world-dominatin Muslims that are fighting Israel.

[sweetheart]

32. how many crusades?

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crusades

[Taxloss]

42. Let's see ...

The thread advocating the destruction of Israel got five recs before it was locked. Let's see how many this gets before it's locked.

[bdamomma]

43. we all can give our opinions about this conflict

but there was a total breakdown of talks between the Palestinians and the Israelis, the total avoidance of this subject by the Bush regime, they were concerned about starting illegal war in Iraq, they totally took their eye off the whole "Road Map to Peace", plus they have an ignorant attitude of not talking to Iran, Syria, and North Korea. This regime rather bomb a place to hell, than sit down and talk diplomatically.

[EFerrari]

47. Bombing is the New Diplomacy. n/t

[BuyingThyme]

46. The article sounds better if you sing it.

Interesting how he uses the word military in discussing Hizbullah. But not as interesting as the fact that he has no idea how much he has in common with Nazis.

[Jeroen]

58. Who has troops all over the world? Who are the occupying forces?

The U.S., Israel and NATO. Can’t you seen what is going on here?

[AnOhioan]

72. Crap article

Nothing more need be said

[scarletwoman]

80. This was better in the original German. (nt)

[Scurrilous]

86. LOL

:thumbsup:

[ComerPerro]

84. Where are all the Christians to defend this religion from attack?

[Phx_Dem]

88. Qatar accuses some Arab states of backing Israel

Qatar's foreign minister on Monday accused some Arab states of supporting the Israeli offensive on Lebanon to dismantle Hizbullah.

Speaking to Al Jazeera television, Qatar's Foreign Minister Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jabr al-Thani, whose country is a major US ally and has low-level ties with Israel, declined to name any country.

"I am surprised at the Arab agreement ... for Israel to end this issue and end the presence of Hizbullah in this region. There was more or less agreement from some Arab states that Israel completes its mission before a ceasefire," he said.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284490,00.html

It's statements like this that weakens Almog's primary argument, clear thinking on the part of a few unnamed countries leaders.

[aaronbees]

93. What a load of unmitigated, racist drivel...

"Perhaps this war will awaken those in slumber. However this time, the western world will awaken in time." :eyes:

[Moderator]

102. locking....

This is inflammatory.