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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:29 PM
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Why does society hate loners so much?
We've seen it again: the latest shooting in Seattle was perpetrated by another "loner" with few friends. Really? For every shooting or instance of crazy behavior, sooner or later, there is always the revelation (usually by some neighbor) that the perpetrator was a "loner".

Is that supposed to make everybody else feel better for some bizarre reason (let's see, today I went to church and played poker, watched baseball and got drunk with my buddies; not a loner, so I'm OK, pfewww!!)?

What do DUers think?

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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:35 PM
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1. It's population control memetics.
Fear is a big part of both this administration's favored method of rule and a growing number of ad campaigns (how often do you hear "west nile virus" with bug repellent?), which is really no coincidence, as this administration is primarily corporate-minded and employ the same people to disseminate their propaganda. It is a natural human condition to fear the unknown, and things that are different and/or isolated from the "norm" are used to generate free-floating anxiety when unnecessarily and off-handedly mentioned in conjunction with something dangerous, such as a killer.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:41 PM
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5. I agree with you...
Yet, virtually all that is truly original is produced by people who are outside the norm, almost by definition.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:57 PM
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9. True, but that doesn't mean they are appreciated or accepted during...
...their lifetime.

Conformity is ultimately the path to stagnation and death, but it's much easier to manipulate a population that reacts predictably to stimuli. Our innate social/pack behaviors (we are animals, despite the denial of some) are exploited in a carrot-and-stick way, making us feel irrationally "secure" when surrounded by "normal" people, and irrationally fearful of those who refuse to conform, despite their contributions, often to the point of persecution and even violence.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 04:19 PM
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15. Again, I agree with you.
Edited on Sun Jul-30-06 04:19 PM by survivor999
Those who introduce novelty in our society are usually not those who get credit or benefit for it.
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The Deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:37 PM
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2. Isolation From Society
Is frequently a prelude to (but not cause of) violent anti-social behavior. One would expect that it might have something to do with lacking support mechanisms to help defuse destructive behavior or turn them to constructive paths.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:58 PM
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11. Bingo
The first thing a shrink will ask you is if you have friends, family, people you can turn to

To quote Euripides' Medea: "We must not think too much. People go mad if they think too much"
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 04:21 PM
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18. They also lose hair
I think. My dad used to say that. He was bald. :)
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 04:25 PM
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21. Grass don't grow
on a busy street
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 04:09 PM
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14. Yet groups can be far more destructive
It's all a crap shoot.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:39 PM
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3. Uh, which way did those bullets fly again?
"For every shooting or instance of crazy behavior, sooner or later, there is always the revelation (usually by some neighbor) that the perpetrator was a "loner"."
Go figure.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 04:01 PM
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12. and tempered with
"he semmed like a nice guy."
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The Deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 04:26 PM
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22. and quiet
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:39 PM
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4. We are a society of bubble wrapped loners.
Who else would we fear?
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:48 PM
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6. Well, first we must debate your suppostion that society hates loners.
Then maybe we can get onto why.
Loners by definition don't bother me at all. How could I hate them? How could society hate them?

gristy
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:54 PM
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7. To make it mutual?
Edited on Sun Jul-30-06 03:54 PM by WinkyDink
I speak for myself.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:57 PM
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10. Lol
:rofl:
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 04:02 PM
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13. Society hates loners because loners hate society,
you meant? Makes sense to me.
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 04:20 PM
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16. Loners just want to be left alone
They don't necessarily hate society. I think. And they don't necessarily blame society for everything that sucks.
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:57 PM
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8. Well, man, like dogs, and all other great apes are gregarious animals.
To live in groups is hardwired in us. The fact that a child has to have many many years of nuturing before being able to either live alone by observing what it requires to live without a nuturing breast or someone else bring in safe food to eat makes us gregarious.

Even the Jungle Boy had his wolves, as did Romulus and Remus.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 04:21 PM
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17. You're confusing loners with independant thinkers
There is a difference
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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 04:23 PM
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20. True, not all loners are
independent thinkers. Many loners are simply mentally ill. The same is true for many non-loners.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 04:23 PM
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19. Look, loners get their own club!
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TMA1 Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 04:34 PM
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23. It depends on what "loner" means.
There are many kinds of "loners" who are "loners" for many different reasons. Most of the time a person probably secludes himself because he or she may have feelings of inadiquacy. Others may have real psychological disorders and are afraid of people.

I myself am a sort of loner. I feel that I dont rate with other people, or that I have some sort of inadiquacy as far as my social skills go. THere are other reasons behind it, but generally it is because I fear failure or fear looking foolish in other peoples eyes. This is rediculous obviously, but it is a hard obsticle to get over.

Society is afraid of "loners" are unpredictable. Also the media portrays recluses as being dangerous or untrustworthy. Really the media is to blame for the fear.

Sometimes though recluses can be dangerous, and have a reason for running away from society. TO be honest, this question is really really really open ended. There are hundreds of answers and hundreds of ways to form this same question.

Cheers: Titus
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