Do you agree or disagree with Hillary's "Plantation" remark?

[WI_DEM]

Poll question: Do you agree or disagree with Hillary's "Plantation" remark?

[ClassWarrior]

1. What are you asking? Content or choice of words? To my mind...

...the first is the truth and the second was fine.

NGU.

[bpilgrim]

8. gore and hillary's remarks and rebuttals - > mp3

http://GlobalFreePress.com

peace

[thefloyd]

2. Newt did the same thing

Also, Democrats have been called traitors, Giving comfort to our enemies....And what did the press say...Nothing!!

[C_U_L8R]

3. Need proof of "Plantation" ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x174810

[Deep13]

4. What did she say?

[leftstreet]

5. Clip was booed on Daily Show

I hadn't given it much thought until I heard the audience reaction on last night's Daily Show. Instant outburst of 'boos.' It was a little surprising, coming from what I assume to be a relatively younger audience.

[npincus]

6. metaphor is accurate, but was pandering to her audience

I found it a bit patronizing using the term to an African-American audience on MLK day, sort of embarrassing. However, not such a big f*cking deal as the MSM is making it out to be and trying to scandalize her. Really, they said hardly a peep when Gingrich uttered the word in 1994.

[sybylla]

14. Definitely patronizing.

It came across as very patronizing to an African-American audience and I think that is why it was booed on the Daily Show. To be fair to Hilary, it was a clip, a very brief clip, and run entirely out of context.

But I have a problem using the word at all, accurate or not. It's more than a little inapropriate imho regardless of the audience. But I'm a northerner and familiar with southern sayings. Perhaps in the south, this is much more innocuous than it seems.

Still, I don't accept the fake outrage in the media over it. No doubt they clutched onto it to take the eyes off of Gore and his powerful address.

[TheFarseer]

21. no way

on your last sentence. Hanitty and the Goon-Squad was saying how Gore was melting down, flipping his wig, whatever. I guess people can't have emotions anymore. It's better to be a lying robot, mumbling complete fabrication and misinformation in a monotone like Dick Cheney.

[MsUnderstood]

7. what did she say exactly

What is the quote? Where is the source so I can read it in context?

Funny, Randy Rhodes made a comment about Republicans treating democrats like the house slave because before democrats were told we were spineless and now that we step up and talk about reform we are told we've "Gone too far" and I laughed and agreed.

They want us to be spineless.

[Nordmadr]

9. She was speaking to a particular audience and used that

particular dialogue for emphasis on how the majority is running Congress. If hse was speaking to a different demographic she may have used different wording to make the same point. As Clinton is proabably not considered a racist by most people, it does not seem offensive to me, I'm white though. What do DUers of other ethnicity think?

Furthermore, seeing how the other side has used this kind of language on numerous occassions, it seems to be a moot point.

Olafr

[TheFarseer]

10. it was stupid

First of all, no one knew what the hell she was talking about. Second of all, after you had it explained to you, you wondered why she had bent over backwards with weird analogies to bring racial themes into this debate. We are making republicans that say we always play the "race card" right.

[mattclearing]

11. I think she was right on the money, but it is strange for a white person

to say it to a black audience on MLK day. It does fit in with Hillary's penchant for pandering to her audience. I think that may be why the Daily Show audience booed.

The more I think about it, it's a really stupid thing to say in that Democratic reps. and senators are some of the wealthiest, most coddled, and spoiled people in this country, second only to corporate executives and celebrities.

Comparing herself and her elected brethren to the modern day equivalent of slaves is really insulting to everyone's intelligence.

But you'd never hear me say that shit on CNN or anywhere else outside of DU, and I've supported her since this speech, because Hillary needs to be bitchslapping the Republicans like this every day.

Long story short: Lose the exploitive self-martyring lingo and keep the substance.

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. It wasn't wealth she was talking about, but powerlessness.

And the way the repubs run congress, even the most powerful dems are reduced to powerlessness. Go up against the Bossman and you will get slapped down - like Murtha. The paradigm in DC is power, and the repugs wield it ruthlessly.

Did you think she was saying anything else?

[mattclearing]

19. I know what she was saying.

But you can see how it was tasteless.

I've affirmed that it was factually accurate. It was likely meant to get a reaction, and it did.

[AlGore-08.com]

12. The real problem with comments like the "plantation" comment

Is we all end up wasting our time arguing over etiquette, rather than having serious political discussions.

My six cents:

1.) "The GOP smeared us worse first" defense: Republicans should be ashamed and embarrassed to use the "You did it too!!" defense, and we'll never reform political debate in this country if we adopt it ourselves. The GOP acting like great big whiny babies doing the potty dance gave them a party full of corrupt, empty suits who only give lip service to conservative values. Why do we want to emulate them?

2.) Any Democrat who has been awake during the last fourteen years could have seen that the GOP would jump on that remark with both feet. So the fact that HRC used it means she either is totally clueless about American politics, or she did it just to become the victim of a pointless GOP smear attack, winning points with the grassroots (and small donations when she sends out fund raising letters reminding us all that she's the target of GOP attacks). Neither one is a great quality in a leader.

3.) Saying it didn't help her get her point across - - it blotted it out. Because we're all talking about whether she should have used the metaphor, not whether the GOP Congress has abused its power. Or the Ailto vote. Or the possible war in Iran. Or the Bush admin's warrantless wiretapping. Or the Abramoff scandal. Or the war in Iraq. Or global warming.

4.) Anybody see the Daily Show last night? The audience - - which is a very supportive house for us - - saw the clip of her saying it. They did not clap. They did not cheer "Yes! Finally a Democrat speaks the truth and speaks for me!" The gasped and groaned in disgust. Watch the video at ComedyCentral.com.

So to sum up, it was a stupid thing to say.

I refuse to be thrilled when somebody on our team does something stupid which could have easily been avoided.

[DinahMoeHum]

13. If John Conyers said the remark was OK by him. . .

it is OK by me:

Link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=167925

:kick::kick::kick:

[NoPasaran]

15. Anyone upset with Hillary's use of "plantation"

Would be well advised to check this link

[JohnnyRingo]

16. She compared the lily-white Republican party to a plantation

Every time I see an African American commentator on cable news he or she is refered to as "former" something or other.

When a black person makes it to GOP office the party stacks the deck against him finacially and the voters ensure his swift exit.

Black appointees are required to oppose the basic principles of working class African Americans or find another line of work in the private sector.

Hillary could have thrown in a reference to the "GOP using a whip" too and not been out of line.

[ShaneGR]

18. The content, yes, the wording, no....

The comparison to a plantation on MLK day to an all black church, struck me more as pandering. BUT, the basis of what she was trying to say is correct.

[Neil Lisst]

20. How DARE you call me a racist?! - the new KKK line.

The pukes have succeeded in making charging them with racism a bigger crime than BEING racist.

They have to be called the racists they are.