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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 09:51 AM
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John Dean in MSNBC "Green Room" during Clinton Impeachment (Revelations)
Edited on Tue Jul-25-06 09:56 AM by KoKo01
"Conservatives Without Conscience" by John Dean - Part 1
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Fri, 07/21/2006 - 1:31pm. Guest Contribution

A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
by John Dean

During the time the independent counsel, Kenneth Starr, was building his case against Clinton for impeachment, I agreed to work exclusively for MSNBC in Washington as an on-camera consultant, or "anchor buddy," beginning my assignment soon after Starr made a formal referral to the House Judiciary Committee on September 9, 1998, and sent the thirty-six boxes of damning evidence to the House of Representatives. Over the next several months, during Clinton's impeachment and trial, I spent more time in Washington than I had, cumulatively, in the preceding twenty-five years, and it could not have been a more eventful time to be there. One did not need to be a knowledgeable Washington veteran, though, to perceive that conservatives in Congress were hell-bent on overturning the 1996 election and removing Clinton from office.

MSNBC's studios in Washington are on Capitol Hill, not far from the Senate side of the Capitol building. A core group of on-air consultants were placed on various shows throughout the day, but during the impeachment hearings and the trial, a few of us were requested to stay on the set with the anchors as long as official proceedings continued. During the many hours I was in the studio or the green room, I probably spent more time talking with legal analyst Barbara Olson than anyone else. Barbara, who was tragically killed on the 9/11 flight that crashed into the Pentagon, was smart, savvy, engaging, and never shy, least of all in her opinion of the president and his wife. "I really hate the Clintons, and I want to run them out of town," she told me. Barbara, who frequently made calls on her cell phone during breaks, made it impossible not to overhear her conversations, and she explained to me that she was receiving talking points from her network of conservative Republicans, who were observing all of the media's coverage of the impeachment proceeding. "Do you really believe you can remove a popular president?" I asked her during the hearings. "Absolutely. It's a done deal," she said. "How about the Senate?" I asked. "We're working on it," she replied with a conspiratorial smile and a wink. I had little doubt, from the time I spent with Barbara, that votes had already been counted in the House of Representatives, and nothing was going to stop them from voting for impeachment. There were simply too many Democrats in the Senate, however, for the Republicans to muster the requisite two thirds for a guilty verdict and removal. The entire undertaking was designed to tarnish Clinton, and the Democrats.

During this period I was able to visit with members of the House and Senate, both Republicans and Democrats, who streamed through the MSNBC green room or the studios, often with key members of their staff. I had many fascinating, and informative, conversations that were invaluable to the education I received during this period. I learned, for instance, that Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich (R-GA) and majority leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) were both exerting enormous control over the GOP. Some Republicans told me that Gingrich was betting his Speaker's seat on the impeachment drive's adding additional Republican members to the House. DeLay, it was clear, had influence because the rank-and-file House Republicans feared his wrath, and he was determined to impeach Clinton. Several Republicans told me that this was payback to the Democrats for what had been done to Nixon, and when I pointed out that Republicans had been part of that undertaking, a typical response was, "Yeah, but they weren't conservative." In fact, there were conservatives involved in the effort, but I was not looking for debates about Watergate.

Notwithstanding Clinton's soaring popularity, conservatives had become myopic; they were fixated on getting rid of him. Five days after the House Judiciary Committee voted along party lines to begin an impeachment inquiry (with all Republicans, who controlled the committee, voting for it, and all Democrats voting against), a Washington Post public opinion poll showed that 62 percent of Republicans dis-approved of impeaching the president. Knowledgeable Republicans passing through the MSNBC green room privately explained that House Republicans would pursue the impeachment anyway, on behalf of the 31 percent who wanted Clinton removed. (Seven percent of the Post poll of the GOP had no opinion.) The motive of the GOP leaders was simply to please the party's "base"; the wishes of the base were their command. That base was composed primarily of Christian conservatives, in particular evangelicals. Republicans with whom I spoke before the November 1998 midterm elections were convinced the party would be vindicated at the polls for its treatment of Clinton. As it turned out, however, they had misread the mood of the country, and they lost the great "impeachment election" when Americans refused to make the election a referendum on Bill Clinton's behavior. Republicans, who controlled the House and the Senate, not only gained no seats in either body, but lost five seats in the House; Speaker Newt Gingrich resigned after his plan was defeated. What was even more stunning was that the election results did not stop these hard-core conservative Republicans from continuing to push for Clinton's impeachment and, at the same time, issue increasingly stern demands for party loyalty. As someone who had previously spent over twenty years in Washington observing Congress up close, I found this new level of party discipline remarkable. I understood that DeLay scared them, but so badly that they would vote against their consciences? I was relieved that a few of the conservatives with whom I spoke believed the GOP leadership was going too far.

Much more...fascinating read at........


http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/contributors/315

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 10:01 AM
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1. Smart, savvy, and twisted with an irrational hatred?
Sorry, John, but that does not compute. I suggest you spend less time looking at the package and more time to the toads hopping out of its mouth.

John, at no time did Barbara Olson tell you what inspired such a visceral loathing of all things Clinton. It would have been much more enlightening if you had asked her.

But that would have implied rational thought, no? And that would mean you'd be paying attention to what she said instead of staring at face, hair, breasts.

(The right is very savvy in their use of females like Olson. They know most men become selectively deaf and switch off their critical thinking processes when in the presence of blonde hair and a fine rack)
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:33 PM
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11. "what inspired such a visceral loathing"?
That's pretty simple. Clinton kicked the repubs @zz and plans out of power (8 year setback on their grand goals).

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 05:03 PM
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17. That's the real irony
because Clinton was farther to the right than even Reagan on some economic issues. The wackos could have gotten nearly everything they wanted if they'd chosen to work with him instead of go on a witch hunt.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 01:19 PM
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2. I read through the entire clip on Buzzflash, including part 3.
I respect Dean, and I really want to read his new book. I think he's correct when he says therre are 3 types of Conservatives...the good, the bad, and the evil!

This new book he says is about the band and the ugly ones. I have always believed that "You must know your enemy!"
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:34 PM
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7. What blew my mind in the article was that Dems stopped Reagan Impeachment
That little tidbit...I hadn't heard before. Maybe if the Dems had gotten Reagan out we wouldn't be sitting in the horrible mess we are today with a shredded Constitution and the Emperor and his sychophants left over from both Reagan and Nixon.

But then, I thought that Gerry Ford shouldn't have pardoned Nixon "for the sake of healing the country." We should have nipped that sucker in the bud and the whole damned branch would have been the better for it.

Also it was shocking that Gordon Liddy went after the Deans by giving lies to those stooges who got St. Martins Press to put out "Silent Coup." Now Liddy is still popular with the Crazies on the Right...and he's another one that should have gone to prison for life for what he's done.

Lots in that long article but most here only have time to read the snips. I wonder how many here know about the Dems deciding not to impeach Reagan.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:37 PM
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12. I knew it, but I don't know how many others did.
Liddy has always been an AH. I find it really hard to believe he still has that damn radio show. I can't imagine anyone listening to his drivel!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:49 PM
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14. I couldn't either until Dean pointed out the "Authoritarians" and Liddy
surely is one of those. Evil Reigns throughout our land. I'm glad to be part of the small "RESISTANCE!"

Sheesh when one looks back one feels guilty for living through all this...and yet we had our "lives to live" and tried to do what we could. We just didn't know it would end up with this EVIL in Control..........

We thought the American Constitution would HOLD against all this. Or, that's what we were "taught." We here on DU must have had a few good teachers that we are SO OUTRAGED? huh? Or maybe we just "listened more closely," to what "some" were trying to tell us. Democracy Experiment would NOT COME EASY. At some point we would be challenged to our core about "IF" this New American Experiment would HOLD...when History shows that NOTHING holds forever...and Great Attempts in the past ended up in the History Books and "dust of time." :-(
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 01:40 AM
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25. I heard something to the liking that Bill Clinton put a stop to the
Iran-Contra proceedings just so the government could focus on other issues. I have also wondered out loud if the BCCI and the Iran-Contra had been fully revealed to the public in a no-nonsense presentation of the facts how much people would trust their government.

In civil terms, could anybody see the day when putting hostilities aside, six years later, a wave of take no prisoners ideological hacks would be in a position to take over the country. Talk about, "I am a better bully than you are" mentality.

Also, I see why it was so important for George Bush Jr. to win (or take) the 2000 election. Ronald Reagan's presidential papers were going to be released in the year of 2001. Can you imagine how much material is there for the history books? Now all of that has been cleaned-up as proved by the missing papers in the nomination of John Roberts to the Supreme Court. Too bad!
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SensibleAmerican Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 01:24 PM
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3. Impeachment had nothing to do with removing Clinton
Republicans are vindictive, but they're not stupid. They knew they would never be able to convict in the Senate and they knew that they really did not want Al Gore as President.

Impeachment, rather, was a mechanism to discredit Al Gore. Buy the time impeachment was over, George W. Bush appeared to be some sort of reconciler who had the moderate virtues of a Democrat and the moral virtues of a Republican. Al Gore's decision to run away from Clinton did not help the matter at all.

Impeachment was the conduit that put George W. Bush in the White House.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 01:28 PM
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4. with a little help from Florida and the Supreme Court nt
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:01 PM
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10. "the moral virtues of a Republican..." ????
Now there's an oxymoron if I ever saw one. :puke:
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SensibleAmerican Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 05:46 PM
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18. In 1999, that is how most of America viewed the Republican Party
Bill Clinton was this adulterer who otherwise was excellent in guiding us towards prosperity. However, America thought George Bush could do just as good of a job on the economy as Al Gore and thus the American voters split virtually evenly on their decision for who would become our next President.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 09:16 PM
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24. Exactly, with the added benefit of innoculating Americans against another
impeachment - they knew damn well they'd be committing impeachable offenses nonstop from inaugeration on.
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:04 PM
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5. I'd be curious to ask Dean....
what he thought would have happened in 1998 if there were electronic voting machines.
I have a feeling that the "country" would have responded differently to the impeachment if Diebold were counting the votes.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:52 PM
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16. I think that when the Repugs went into high gear after 1998
to make sure they never lost another major election again, no matter what, even if it meant stealing it.

They never throught Clinton would have a chance in hell after their onslaught. They certainly weren't going to take chances ever again.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:23 PM
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6. Babs Olson...a person who left nothing behind in her wake but hatred.
The world is a better place without her. I mean that sincerely.

I have no time for hate mongering pigs and she was at the top of the list.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:59 PM
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9. The only difference between Barbara O. and Ann C.
is Babs was reasonably lucid, if just as vile. Annthrax was mostly a stand in to prevent overexposure for BO. With her out of the way, Ann was able to become the RW heartthrob (harpy) we know today.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:42 PM
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13. I know I'm still ashamed of myself for feeling NO sorrow when
it was reported that BO died in that plane crash on 9/11.

Even the worst people, I can usually muster a little sadness, but not with her. I can still hear er hatered and I just can't feel bad I don't have to hear it any more.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 03:42 PM
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8. I am so looking forward to printing this out and reading on the ride home
tonight!

:toast:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:51 PM
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15. It's a long read but worth it. So...glad to hear you plan to do this....
:-)'s. Some revelations in this piece that give alot of perspective in the ongoing catalog of Repug Evil.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 06:02 PM
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19. didn't read the article, but from the snip, I think Dean completely
misread the final effects of the Clinton impeachment game:

the pugs and media handmaidens honed their character assassination skills to the point that made taking out both Gore and Kerry possible, and just by a whit (that whit being election fraud). if it hadn't been the meme of evil, loathsome, lying dems planted over the entire eight years of his presidency, there'd have been no way on earth that craven halfwit could have come close enough to Gore to steal the election

how many books documenting this has one to read in order for it to become crystal clear?

I can't believe Dean doesn't follow up nthis path....did he?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 06:10 PM
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20. Clinton was impeached for three reasons
1. They hated him and wanted revenge for Watergate;

2. They wanted to tarnish Gore by proxy and make the populace weary of all things Clinton in time for the 2000 election;

3. Clinton won the argument.

The argument?

The argument started in 1932 with the election of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. This election ushered in the New Deal - the rise of Social Security, the eventual rise of Medicare, the development of dozens of other social programs, and the enshrinement of the basic idea that the Federal government in America can be a force for good within the populace. Such an idea was anathema to unrestricted free-market profiteers and powerful business interests, for the rise of a powerful Federal government also heralded the rise of regulation and more taxation.

The lines were drawn and the argument began. Many issues were bandied about in the no-man's land between the lines, but at the end of the day, the issue to be tested was that basic premise brought by FDR: What will the place of the Federal government be in the lives of the American people? Can that government be a help? Those who argued against this idea had ample rationales for their resistance. The activism of the Federal government brought about racial desegregation and the rise of minority rights, something a segment of the right finds unacceptable to this day. The activism of the federal government made it difficult for unrestricted free-market loyalists to secure the privatization of available mass markets like health care, insurance and Social Security.

The activism of the Federal government kept mega-businesses from the ability to grow to whatever size they pleased, even though such growth was death to the basic capitalist concept of competition. The activism of the Federal government forced these businesses to spend a portion of their profits on pollution controls. The list of complaints went on and on. In a corner of their hearts, many who stood against FDR's plans did so because the rise of an activist Federal government smelled a little too much like Soviet-style communism for comfort.

The problem, as ever, became clear before too long. Unrestricted free-marketeering, deficit spending, tax cuts for the richest people in the country which would purportedly cause the trickling down of monies to the rest, unrestricted polluting, unrestricted defense spending, and the deregulation of absolutely everything, is poison to any economy that is subjected to it. George Herbert Walker Bush was left holding this particular bag in 1992, and he was not enough of a salesman to convince the American people that it was still working.

Many people believe the statement that "Bill Clinton was the best Republican President we've ever had." There are a great many facts to back this assertion, but it begs the question: If Clinton was the best Republican President we've ever had, why did the Republicans work every night and every day for eight years, why do they continue to work to this day, to destroy him and the economic legacy he left behind?

An analysis of the facts, and the record, reveals Clinton to have been one of the most effective progressive Presidents in American history, despite the various legislation he passed favoring big business. By 1998 he had managed to create an economic system that filled the Federal treasury with unprecedented amounts of available money, and he had also managed to pass a variety of progressive social programs that benefited vast numbers of middle-class Americans.

And here's the point.

When Clinton stood up in 1998, with a massive budget surplus waiting in the wings, and cried, "Save Social Security first!" he was roaring a battle cry across the trenches that had been there since 1932. Such a surplus would fund social programs all across the country. Such a surplus would, at long last, settle the argument: An activist Federal government can be a force for good within the American populace, and once more, can be paid for with extra left over. The New Deal/Great Society wars seemed to be coming to an end.

This was why he had to be destroyed. He won the argument. With those four words in 1998, Clinton cut the legs out of any and all reasons for "business conservatives" to exist anymore.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:21 PM
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21. What you say is sooo true...but although Clinton "won the argument"
Edited on Tue Jul-25-06 07:27 PM by KoKo01
with the first two term Presidency for Dems since FDR...he lost it with what he "gave away" compromised over his "dick."

And this is a person who defended him over his "dicks right to do what it wanted." :-(

But...his Dick and NAFTA and TeleCom Act of 1996/07 will be WORSE in Dems Memory than his dick wandering into Lewinski's mouth. His DICK will go down in INFAMY..but many of us now are reassesing his LEGACY!

(sorry to be "gross about this") but it is what it is. ..Clinton was SO COMPROMISED by the Right ATTACK and torn because the DLC which HE,himself founded, that he got caught in his own MUCK...and we PAY FOR IT...WE ...PAY FOR IT...AMERICA!

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:43 PM
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22. Dean said Dems stopped Reagan Impeachment with Negotiation.
maybe that's our hope with the Chimp/Cheney. Stop IMPEACHMENT through Negotiation by putting "Restrictions" on Chimp's POWER...but what does that say about letting Nixon and Reagan off the hook by trying to be "Negotiators to Impede P-Resident Power when all the time the Power of Presidency TRUMPS Dem's efforts to curtail it? :shrug:

Seems like a "losing Battle..to me?" :-( Nixon, Reagan, Bush I and II????

How far do we go down road to Shredding the Constitution as we FORGIVE, FORGIVE, FORGIVE!!!!! :shrug:
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GoldenOldie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:59 PM
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23. Ann Coulter was a protege of Barbara Olson
She learned her lessons well.
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