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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:03 PM
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"95% of taxes in this country are paid by rich ($100k per annum) people"
I heard this from the son of my garage mechanic!

I tried to counter with the percentage of his paycheck versus the percentage of the gross of what the rich pay, but it got too complicated for him.

Need help in countering this argument next time I'm in for an oil change. This guy is 20 if he's a day! Just a kid and he believe this crap!
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:05 PM
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1. I believe that's pretty close to the truth
The precent might be off by one or two percent, but it's close; the amount per annum might actually be over $250K, but I'm not sure. It might be $100K.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:23 PM
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9. But it's only income tax
Sales tax, property tax, social security tax are not as progressive as income tax.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:05 PM
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21. That makes sense, but they also have most of the money.
Money is not infinite. There's only a certain amount of wealth so it stands to reason that if you have most of it, you'll pay more taxes. It's not like this is causing any children of the wealthy to go without food. So, Paris Hilton has 1 less designer bag to carry her dog around in. Is that going to kill her?
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Stargazer99 Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:14 PM
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26. Iris has got it right
I am so sick and tired of feeling sorry for those with food, shelter, etc and money to spare....poor babies. Like Iris said their kids are not going without. In fact I think we ought to outlaw abortion for the well to do and make it free for the poor (oops, if we did that there would not be any cannon fodder). After all how can Bush and Cheney duck service if there are not the common man to take their place in the slaughtering flields.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:23 PM
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30. damn, Stargazer99! Welcome to DU!
You are a kindred spirit! I'm glad you're here!

:hi:

PS - See my post below where I tried to make more sense of this!
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 08:08 AM
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72. I also firnly believe that
they benefit more from the services that taxes provide.

No one ever addresses that. Let Wal-mart try to run a store without an educated workforce. Let the Stock Market run without a Securities and Exchange Commission. Let BP deliver fuel without an interstate highway system.

Those are just a few examples of things that the wealthiest Americans have provided by "taxes" that they benefit from the most.
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FUGW Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:08 PM
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24. Dude even if you make $250K a year that does not make you rick.
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Stargazer99 Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. Making less than $12,000 annually
is a hellofa big difference than $250,000 annually...who are you kidding!
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:31 PM
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36. Maybe this will help you:
Like say a guy makes $200,000 and you make $20,000. You might pay 10% in taxes and he might pay 40%, but what do you end up with?

He has $120,000 left over. You have $18,000. Who is hurting more?
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fordnut Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 07:19 AM
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71. Exactly
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:49 PM
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39. It might not make you rick, but it would put one in the top 5% of income
earners in this country.

To me, that's rich. I'd say anyone in the top 30% or so could be called "rich", which brings the wages down to something like $75K a year and above.

In fact, the cut off line for the top 5% income earners in the US is around $160K.

Of course, "rich" has no objective criteria by which to judge it - it is a purely subjective word.

But I think it's pretty clear that if one is in the top 5%, one should be considered "rich".
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 08:46 PM
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51. You must be kidding. 250k puts you near the top 1% of all earners
:shrug:
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:14 PM
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61. $250k/yr doesn't make you rich?
I guess that's not rich if you don't know how to handle your finances. But when I was a teen in the 90's, my dad was pulling in about $150k/yr and we never wanted for ANYTHING. We were RICH.

Now my wife and I combined make about $75K...and WE never want for anything, although we do have to manage our money. We live quite a comfortable lifestyle.

If you think 250K/yr isn't rich, I think that says loads about your background. Do you have to own multiple houses and employ maids and a waitstaff to be considered rich? I've always considered that to be more FILTHY RICH than just plain rich.
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SquireJons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:55 PM
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40. What BS, I'd like to see some actual numbers
Remember... "only little people pay taxes."

I haven't read any stats on who pays what, but it really depends on who you call 'rich.' If you mean upper middle class, then you might have a case. They're not rich enough to dodge taxes. But here's something to chew on. When I got married, I made about 40K a year and paid around 12K in taxes. I married into a wealthy family and my (now ex) wife has a pretty nice trust fund on which she lives. Our combined income the following year was about 250K and our taxes went down to about 10K. So, an increase of over 200K actually decreased our taxes. This is only anecdotal evidence, but I'm not buying the notion that the rich pay most of the taxes. They have so many loop holes that they avoid most taxes all together. The money just piles up.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 08:22 PM
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46. Ah, here we are: the top 5% pay 50% of the taxes;
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 08:25 PM by Rabrrrrrr
the top 50% pay 95% of the taxes.



And the top 50% of income earners are those earning more than about $50K a year.

The top 5% are those earning more than about $155K a year.

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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 08:27 PM
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47. I was slightly wrong - 95% of taxes are paid by those earning >$50K
50% of taxes are paid by those earning more than $157K.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:05 PM
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2. Easiest Argument To Counter There Is
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 06:06 PM by ThomWV
You look him right in the eye and then say: "Take out your last paystub, look at it, and then tell me that again".
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:10 PM
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6. That wouldn't prove anything. n/t
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:09 PM
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3. If true, would only indicate how much of the wealth they've gobbled
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 06:15 PM by kenny blankenship
for themselves. Naturally as wealth concentrates in the hands of some upper percentile their representation in the income tax as a group will have to go up, if no changes are made to the tax code.
Their combined share of the income tax is not the rate at which they pay individually.
It's not a measure therefore of how wonderfully generous they are, but instead of how little they share the wealth with the people who work to create it.

What was the little jerk's point anyway--that the rich should have more votes and run the country for their exclusive benefit because of a figure like that?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:09 PM
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4. Sales taxes? Property taxes? Excise taxes? Social Security taxes?
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 06:13 PM by TahitiNut
I'm tired of hearing about the "poor, overburdened rich people" -- if it's so fucking tough then why do so many seek to suffer even more?

It's bullshit! People who work for their income pay more than double the top income tax rate as those who have unearned income from the labors of others!




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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:31 PM
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13. And a disproportional amount of the other taxes you listed!!! (n/t)
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JAYJDF Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:10 PM
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5. Apples. If he has 7 apples and taxes takes away one, he goes without
one day. If they take 100 apples from someone who has 10000 apples, will he even notice?

Trying to keep it simple for him.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:58 PM
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18. Ding ding ding Winner!
Best arguments are those that are kept simple "keep it simple stupid" is a practice whereby everybody gets it!
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:10 PM
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7. Don't worry.........
A 21 year old were I work never heard of NAFTA.....it could be hopeless
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:19 PM
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8. This is what "What's the Matter with Kansas?" is about
It's sad. Fox News has just brainwashed people. I tried with this young guy's dad, telling him that only Democratic presidents have helped people like him, such as

a) Social Security (FDR)

b) VA and GI benefits (Truman)

c) Medicare (Johnson)

Plus the HOPE tax credits for education (which I actually benefitted from), as my husband was unemployed for a period of time and I wanted to go back to grad school.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:02 PM
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19. Nope when it is this ingrained, it has been inculcated by family.
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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:25 PM
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10. $100K per annum is not rich
Better off than many people to be sure but definitely not rich. They do pay the most dollars in income taxes.

From the US Treasurer's website:

Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 90 percent of all individual income taxes. In 2000 and 2001, this group paid over 96 percent of the total.

The share of taxes paid by the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers will fall from 4.1 percent to 3.6 percent.

http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/js1287.htm




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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:27 PM
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11. No it isn't. In some areas, it is a liveable wage.
There is no way you could live in NYC or SF on 100K.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 07:02 AM
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70. If you get out of Manhattan you can..
Or, if you're IN Manhattan, you confine yourself to the few remaining "undesirable" neighborhoods>

Don't know SF well...
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Stargazer99 Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #10
28. I would love to suffer so badly
Even $100,000 annually would make me think I'm in hog heaven.
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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:48 PM
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38. I didn't say they were suffering,
I said they better off than many people. But they are definitely not rich if they are earning $100,000 per year.

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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:44 PM
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59. They're not just "better off than many"
They are better off than MOST.

$100k is a lot of money. Unless a person is living outside of their means (or has had huge medical expenses), there is no reason why such a person should have difficulty "getting by".




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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 03:32 AM
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66. That would depend on where they lived
and the size of their family, wouldn't it?

I'm single and better off than some of my friends with kids. Yet they make more money than I do. A LOT more.

BTW I never said they had difficulty "getting by" on $100k per year. I said they were NOT rich at $100k per year. That's a big difference in terms.
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SquireJons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 08:05 PM
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44. OK, that's income tax
These are people with incredibly high taxable incomes. Most truly wealthy people don't even work or draw a salary. They live off unearned income and most of that can be put into non taxable trusts. This I know from first hand experience...
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:30 PM
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12. The top personal income tax rate used to be 92% thru to about 1961
-US had a huge, vigorous economy.
-US had the best Universities & Public schools.
-The middle class was huge.
-Labor unions power at peak.
-US is manufacturing center of World.
-Corporations made money.


The point being, if it wasn't broken.... why fix it? And yet thats whaty exactly happened. From the 1970's thru to GW Bush. The Tax system has now been rewriten by the corporations.
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:51 PM
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14. But the rich own 99% of the wealth
so owning 99% of wealth and paying 95% of taxes means they are getting a deal!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #14
20. A little high there, more like 65%
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 07:04 PM by lonestarnot
Top 1% control 65% of the wealth in this country. Damn! Bunch of whiners!
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 01:16 AM
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63. not talking about the top 1%
were're only talking about those who make over 100k. This is probably about the top 15% or so.

taught.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:54 PM
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15. If this statement is true, it is probably only true for income tax.
The lower socioeconomic groups pay higher proportions of thier income in taxes than the rich, especially when you include FICA, sales taxes, motor vehicle fuel taxes, licenses, etc.

Also, if the rich pay 95% of income taxes, they also harvest 99% of the income, thus coming out 'way ahead. It's just that most of their income isn't in the form of wages. They have a variety of dodges, from being paid in the form of stock options to getting their income in the form of capital gains, that effectively reduce their tax burden.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:06 PM
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23. Robbery with pencils!
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:55 PM
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16. first, I bet you would be hard pressed to find anyone

making $100k a year that has ever thought they are rich.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:39 PM
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58. My guess is
those people making above $100k and still bitching about money are in one of the following categories:

They spend way too much on "beating the Joneses". They are likely spending outside of their means and have a $30k car and a house they really couldn't afford.

They live in a high cost of living area. Once again, if that's really hurting them that much, they should consider moving farther away - or see what it's like to live on $30k in that same city - and believe it or not there are people that make it on even less.

They have an actual genuine reason that they have lost a lot of money. Maybe they had huge medical expenses. In that case, I can understand, because anyone can rack up huge medical debt, even those somewhat careful with how they spend their money.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:56 PM
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17. Then the IRS wouldn't be concerned about the pittance we submit.
Would they?
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FUGW Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:06 PM
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22. Just tell him to vote Rep. and they will see to it that he will ease
their burden. I love these idiots that think the rich have it so hard and they want to look out for the rich because one day they will be rich.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. What do you suppose his chances are statistically of becoming
rich? And I will qualify that by adding monetarily rich?
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 08:36 PM
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48.  Sadly, a lot of folks DO think that someday they will be rich, and
therefore they want to be able to reap the benefits that the rich do today. I don't quite understand the mentality that causes people to believe they will be rich. Some think that if they work hard, they will be justly rewarded. Others are sure they're going to hit the lottery. They don't seem to realize how unlikely and unrealistic it is. I also once saw a survey that showed that many people think they're richer than they are. I don't remember the exact details, but it was something like 10% of people thinking they are among the top 1%, and maybe 25% thinking they are among the top 10%, so some think they are already being helped by policies that only benefit those at the very top. (Figures are inexact, but show the tenor of the thinking.)
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:21 PM
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29. $200,000 = $120,000 vs. $20,000 = $18,000
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 07:28 PM by Iris
There must be some way to explain it in very simple terms.

We should come up with an answer.

Like say a guy makes $200,000 and you make $20,000. You might pay 10% in taxes and he might pay 40%, but what do you end up with?

He has $120,000 left over. You have $18,000. Who is hurting more?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:23 PM
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31. Delusional?
:rofl: Why bother trying to convince a working bee, that he is getting screwed big time?
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JAYJDF Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:28 PM
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32. Is this mind slavery? I mean geez, the working poor worried
about the super rich paying too much. On whose back did they reap the bucks? Sounds like some sort of brainwashing.
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JAYJDF Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:29 PM
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33. Oh oh, PS, this dude is probably making minimum wage and is
against raising the minimum wage.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 08:03 PM
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43. Of course he is! The moran!
:banghead: Rank and file republicans continually vote against their own financial best interests because they believe their Party leaders hype of "work hard and prosper" bs! The proverbial carrot hanging in front of them, that they are never allowed to grab! Morans!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:30 PM
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34. Brainwashing big time! Delusional at best. Envy plays a big part. Greed
takes all.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:30 PM
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35. Income tax, maybe...factor in payroll taxes, sales tax, state/local tax
and property taxes, and the balance tips right over.
Property and payroll taxes hit the low-income worker particularly hard; those with wealth that is unearned (capital gains, interest income, investment dividends, etc.) do not pay payroll taxes on it.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:58 PM
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42. All the red state morans hear, is Fed taxes and in some cases, states
taxes. They can't wrap their heads around city taxes, property taxes and most don't even grasp capital gains, because it doesn't affect them. Property taxes in my county have increased substantially since ** as our Gov. spent our surplus, that our Democratic Governor left him. Sound familiar?
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 08:08 PM
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45. Yeah, unfortunately...
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:48 PM
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37. this is easily countered
"95 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot"

why are you worried about something a stupid kid pulled out of his ass?

he invented it on the spot and you gave him the drama reward of taking it seriously

the correct answer was to laugh in his face and find a new mechanic who keeps politics out of the workplace, i would never be comfortable taking my car there again because i am well aware that wingnuts think they are justified in mistreating progressives

there should have never been a political discussion to allow your mechanic to find out your private political beliefs in the first place!
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 07:56 PM
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41. He didn't invent it on the spot. It's a common right wing talking point

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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:19 PM
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62. let him prove he didn't just make it up
i guarantee you that he can't do it
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LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 08:37 PM
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49. Even if true, they still seem to be do rather well don't they?
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 08:40 PM
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50. And the problem with that is???
I can never understand working stiffs who are upset over the raw deal that rich people get from the government.
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novalib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 08:47 PM
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52. The Problem With That Is THIS
Here's the problem with the rich paying 95% of all the taxes --

THE RICH SHOULD BE PAYING 100 FUCKING PER CENT OF ALL THE TAXES!

People whose income is less than $100,000 should NOT be required to pay ANY taxes at all!!
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 08:48 PM
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53. "but it got too complicated for him."
that is the secret of all republican memes. Simple hypothesis that can't be debunked without an extremely complicated answer. Their eyes glaze over and they fall back in lockstep. I don't know why we can't get together as a party and think up counter memes for all their platforms. This is exactly what they do for us and it works. I wish we could understand this, truth is, dems respect people way too much to hit them upside the heads with slogans like the repukes do. But then we don't have snappy answers when we need them. If your answer is longer than a sentence or two, it's no good. It would be nice to have a dollar amount for how much revenue this country loses each year in tax shelters to the rich. It's got to be in gazillions. We spent two chapters on that in my paralegal class and I was stunned, just utterly and completely stunned; for every opportunity the gov't has to tax them there is a loophole just perfectly crafted for them to escape paying, particularly with inherited money and assets.
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 09:02 PM
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54. I made 1100 last week
and netted 888.

So, I (and folks like me) arent paying the lions share of taxes?

The kid is being a know-it-all kid...he will figure it out when he gets older.
I'd just call him a moron and be done with it.
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 09:56 PM
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55. We should be so lucky to have such a huge income
First of all, it's only Income taxes; for all of us pay the same on every bite of food we eat; the gasoline we burn; the clothes we wear; public transporation; utilities; medical bills; auto insurance,
vehicle licensing; etc., etc., We have so very little left when we get through, so per-capita, we really pay an equal amount. :think: :nopity: :nopity:
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:02 PM
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56. Well, they should move to better climates...
the Gates family should consider India, or the Marianas...

Sorry to see them go, but, heh :crazy:

etc...

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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:05 PM
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57. Would he be happier if the lower 95% paid 95% of the taxes and the top 5
Edited on Sat Jul-22-06 10:07 PM by kenny blankenship
paid only 5%?

In order bring about that state of affairs the tax brackets would have to be arranged so that ordinary people paid MOST of their income to the state, and the richest 5% got to keep almost all of their income.
Ask the little fuck how happy that would make him for his dad, the mechanic, to pay nearly everything he made in taxes while Ken Lay was paying almost nothing.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:50 PM
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60. I like to agree with them
And then talk about all the middle class Republicans who whine all the time about being overtaxed and how wrong they are. Those people are getting a great deal! All those weirdos who get angry and call up talk radio about how much they are being robbed have no idea how good they have it. Somebody else is paying almost the whole tab.

That confuses the dittohead.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 01:30 AM
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64. They also hold 95% of the wealth.
fair is fair.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 02:12 AM
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65. Why is that a bad thing? It's a GOOD thing when the tax burden is being
handled by the wealthiest; they're the ones most easily able to afford it.

You want poor people to pay the most in taxes? Nahhhhh...

Don't let them baffle you with this lame position. Just claim it, own and appreciate that the wealthy handle the tax load. It's a GOOD thing.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 06:22 AM
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67. Did you happen to ask why he wasn't in Iraq? nt
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 06:38 AM
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68. lol
Operation Yellow Elephant - go!

Confuse the lil twerp - get him to try and explain why coroprations don't pay their taxes:
http://www.corporatepolicy.org/topics/budget.htm
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JAYJDF Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 02:56 PM
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73. oh man, wish I thought of that. And don't forget to tell him
about the huge signing bonus he'll get. But don't remind him if he gets wounded and returns to the US he'll have to repay the bonus! !@#$%^
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-23-06 06:53 AM
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69. You'd think they could afford to pay the remaining 5% too, (after
all, they have all the money) and give us cheap labor workers a real tax cut!
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