TUNE IN TO C-SPAN 2 NOW - Steve Freeman and Greg Palast among others

[helderheid]

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan2_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

TALKING ABOUT THE STOLEN ELECTION

Steve Freeman and Greg Palast will be in New York this Saturday, July
22, 2006 at the Harlem Book Fair http://www.qbr.com speaking on a
panel on "A Matter of Trust: Integrity and the US Electoral System"
http://www.qbr.com/page6035.asp .

Time: 12:45 p.m. - 2:00 p.m. Eastern Time

The event takes place at the Schomburg Center (Langston Hughes
Auditorium) 515 Malcolm X Blvd. @ W.135th Street

Other panelists are:
my co-author. Joel Bleifuss (Was the 2004 Presidential Election
Stolen?: Exit Polls, and the Official Count),
John McWhorter (Winning the Race: Beyond the Crisis in Black America),
Paul Robeson, Jr. (A Black Way of Seeing),
Greg Palast (Armed Madhouse),
Peniel E. Joseph (Waiting Until the Midnight Hour)

It will be covered live by CSPAN.

[helderheid]

1. talking about exit polls, lack of media, and the voting machines

[EFerrari]

2. And call a friend and get THEM to tune in. I just called my mom.

We've talked about this before and this is the first time she hears it from somebody else. :)

[helderheid]

3. good on ya! My kids have my TV right now - I plan on finding out

when it re-airs and will tivo it as well as email a note out to everyone I know about it. I will hold a pricinct party and play this as well as "Got Democracy?" which I previously tivo'd.

[EFerrari]

5. What a great op this is!

:toast:

[lonestarnot]

11. Also see this

http://bradblog.com/video/flvplayer/FlvPlayer.html?file=http://www.ameratsu.com/media/2006/0607/w3/courttv_crier_rfk_friedman_vote_060720a_320x240.flv&width=320&height=240&OrigWidth=320&OrigHeight=240

[EFerrari]

13. Thank you!

:)

[lonestarnot]

14. H. I'm sure you've already seen this, but on the in-case you

missed it. http://bradblog.com/video/flvplayer/FlvPlayer.html?file=http://www.ameratsu.com/media/2006/0607/w3/courttv_crier_rfk_friedman_vote_060720a_320x240.flv&width=320&height=240&OrigWidth=320&OrigHeight=240

[helderheid]

45. yes, THANK YOU! I am going to send this to Howard Dean's 1st cousin

who is my county Mayor and who I'm on a first name basis with.

[EFerrari]

4. Steve Freeman on exit polls now.

Yikes! He has more awards than Katherine Hepburn AND The Ten Commandments.

[lonestarnot]

6. Thanks H. I'm there!

[helderheid]

7. :D

:hi:

[tridim]

8. Wow! This is great stuff!

They're laying it all out. Please tune in if you can.

[lonestarnot]

10. Also see this

http://bradblog.com/video/flvplayer/FlvPlayer.html?file=http://www.ameratsu.com/media/2006/0607/w3/courttv_crier_rfk_friedman_vote_060720a_320x240.flv&width=320&height=240&OrigWidth=320&OrigHeight=240

[Emit]

9. I'm there, too -- thanks n/t

[helderheid]

12. I hope I don't get kicked off my Utah Mommy list but I told them all

to tune in too! :)

[EFerrari]

15. "Utah Mommies for Clean Elections."

It's better than "Circus People For Fair Counts" like we are.

:)

[lonestarnot]

16. Tell them to go here too!

http://bradblog.com/video/flvplayer/FlvPlayer.html?file=http://www.ameratsu.com/media/2006/0607/w3/courttv_crier_rfk_friedman_vote_060720a_320x240.flv&width=320&height=240&OrigWidth=320&OrigHeight=240

[helderheid]

21. heheh! My group is fairly open to political conversations for which

I'm grateful.

[EFerrari]

32. For those with ears to hear!

:)

[EFerrari]

17. This panel WILL BRING UP racism and election fraud.

I'm so proud of these guys!

:kick:

[KoKo]

18. Thanks..tuning it in! n/t

[lonestarnot]

43. Also see this

http://bradblog.com/video/flvplayer/FlvPlayer.html?file=http://www.ameratsu.com/media/2006/0607/w3/courttv_crier_rfk_friedman_vote_060720a_320x240.flv&width=320&height=240&OrigWidth=320&OrigHeight=240

[EFerrari]

19. Peniel Joseph, " We have to think of 2000 and 2004 as an

extension of a lack of democratic principles that plague the United States."

[EFerrari]

20. Pallast come up now. n/t

[Gloria]

22. "Exiled to the BBC" Palast is up NOW...

[lonestarnot]

23. There is the man!

[helderheid]

24. I'd like as many DUers to see this as possible - can we Greatest Page this

?

[EFerrari]

25. Greg Pallast: Talking about NYTs swiftboating of his reporting.

"Are you a sore loser or a conspiracy nut?"

:nuke:

[EFerrari]

26. "What's the third sex that put Bush over (in OH)?"

"Whose ballots are 'spoiled'?"

:toast:

[KoKo]

27. Palast on now...says NYT's called him after '04 about his article

on Kerry Winning in Guardian Newspaper. They said they were investigating the election and had two questions for Palast: "Are you a Sore Loser and are you a Conspiracy Theorist?" He said they NEVER investigated.

[EFerrari]

31. They never did. "When did you stop beating your wife"

is not investigation.

[lonestarnot]

28. 3,683,000 ballots cast and never counted! spoiled,

900% Higher if black, 2000% if native american in spoilage dumpster!

[EFerrari]

29. Pallast: 88% of spoiled ballots are cast by people of color.

NAIL THEM, Greg!

[lonestarnot]

30. Apartied vote counting system!

[lonestarnot]

33. They pulled that shit with me in the last local election. Name not

on voting rolls! FUCK THEM! I FOUGHT! I WON! BUT DON'T KNOW IF THEY COUNTED IT! They found my name!

[EFerrari]

35. Me, too. I voted. But once it happens to you, you really get

how very simple it is.

[lonestarnot]

36. Rehearsal for fighting on the big day.

[EFerrari]

34. Pallast: talking about the felonious "felons" list in FL

-- used to steal votes from eligible Black voters.

[EFerrari]

37. Pallast: "Caging lists". He asked the Thug headquarters

what these lists were?

They said, they're donors!

Not! They were lists of voters to "challenge" and they are ILLEGAL.

[EFerrari]

38. Omigod, they were targeting African American soldiers.

Those bastards.

[lonestarnot]

39. Suspect address? Targeting African American Soldiers!

Not home shipped overseas!

[havocmom]

51. His article on that subject & a thread here about recent data thefts

http://www.gregpalast.com/massacre-of-the-buffalo-soldiers


Take the info from above article and consider the recent disappearance (& later reappearance) of a laptop with millions of vets and current active duty personnel data on it. Oh, and think back to when that laptop went AWOL, within days of Cheney's boast the GOP would win in 06

Connect the dots

The fix is in and it seems likely vets and active duty military will lose their votes.

Support the troops: make sure THEIR VOTES ARE COUNTED!

Get some LTTE and calls to talk show on this one. America needs to protect the troops.

[lonestarnot]

40. Go to Bagdad loose your VOTE!

[helderheid]

41. there goes *'s popular win!

[lonestarnot]

42. While we sit here they are taking 2008!

[lonestarnot]

44. Gore won by 2.8 million!

[helderheid]

46. We have to stop them from stealing again - is it too late in 2006???

[lonestarnot]

49. NO! NOT TO LATE!

[EFerrari]

50. No! 2006 is much harder (I hope) because it's lots of different races.

NGU.

[helderheid]

53. thank you! I am so pleased to see the press beginning to get this

and GOD BLESS everyone with large voices (such as RFK Jr) for getting the word out!!

[EFerrari]

61. Paul Robeson Jr: He compared the official results with the

results only four days later (by ethnic group) and they were very, very different.

White/Black/Latino/Asian are the groups he's talking about.

[lonestarnot]

47. 2004 stolen by same system. Stolen by 3.4 million

Keep fighting Mexico!

[EFerrari]

48. "Gore won, Kerry won, get over it. Because I'm going to tell you

something. While we sit here, they are taking 2008."

[lonestarnot]

52. Nader vote exactly 200,000 votes short of what reported in census

vote. They just vanished!

[helderheid]

54. "Something in the milk ain't clean"!

[lonestarnot]

56. 1.1 million in. When "invalid" vote not counted checked

black invalid vote 100K votes for Nader, those invalid 100k black votes for Nader damaged! BuSHITLER UP 100K!

[helderheid]

55. Please one more recommend

[lonestarnot]

57. 1/10 OF 1% pattern of perfection!

[helderheid]

59. this info is infuriating. I do love this guy. He sure knows how to tell

it!

[lonestarnot]

58. Any scientist will tell you that random things do not happen in patterns

once let alone twice!

[lonestarnot]

60. Invalid votes change the ballot vote has to change and that's how

they do it!

[helderheid]

62. this guy is fucking brilliant

[EFerrari]

66. (a little behind now, t/o to clean up after zoo)

He's just shown how the NYT rectifies ELECTION FRAUD.

CHENEY OFF, NYTS!

[lonestarnot]

63. If trace up and down in invalid amount of theft is reflected in

the ballot count! NY Times followed the returns and they knew! "Constitution is just a Goddamned piece of Paper."

[helderheid]

64. Guilty of conspiracy against the Constitution. Would have to impeach

all of 'em!

[lonestarnot]

65. 7.3 million invalid VOTES! Follow the ethnic trail!

[helderheid]

67. I love this man!

[EFerrari]

69. He quoted TIA on the odds of this happening -- is that right?

:)

[KoKo]

100. It sounded like he quoted alot of what TIA 's enormous work on this

said. I never could understand TIA's statistical info because reading lots of numbers doesn't click in my math challenged brain...but I got where he was coming from. It was good to see Robeson put it all into a context out there at the Harlem Book Club. I wonder if he has scanned the blogs that he had so much information that has been worked on here and reported on elsewhere on the internet. :shrug: I hope someone contacts him.

[EFerrari]

107. TIA is the only person that I know, anyway, that put the odds in

terms of ordinary things I could understand -- even if I didn't understand how he got there. That's why one thing Robeson said stood out as TIA - like. :)

[lonestarnot]

68. Next election WILL NOT OCCUR UNLESS THERE IS A PAPER

TRAIL! IMPOSE THIS CONDITION!

[lonestarnot]

70. John McWerther?

[helderheid]

71. We need to get in touch with Paul Robeson, Jr. and let him know we

are willing foot soilders!!

[EFerrari]

73. Yes! n/t

[EFerrari]

72. Robeson: The NYTs -- "Not only did they cover it up, they were

PART OF THE CONSPIRACY. Don't tell me they were unaware of these inconsistencies."

Right on!

:kick:

[helderheid]

74. I can't figure out how to contact him

[EFerrari]

76. His publisher is Seven Stories Press:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1583227253/sr=8-2/qid=1153590688/ref=sr_1_2/102-0959771-3308128?ie=UTF8

[helderheid]

75. This guy is interesting

[EFerrari]

79. And notice, MCM pointed out that all voters are now subject

to the same suppression the Black community has been fighting. Remember? It was on the BookTv segment.

[lonestarnot]

77. Saying or reading and being angry about it not is Answer.

Various remedies: Put issue front and center! Especially in black communities! PRIORITIZE! Write to Congress people! The reason this is happening today is if sleazy repuke interested in winning at all costs is because black vote is most dependable democrat vote! 60 40 asians and latinos. Goal is suppress the black vote!

make issue

Make black vote unpredictable diverse voting pool


Put forth black issues

Ok this is good but I want more!
This guy is a fuckwad

[lonestarnot]

82. FuckWAD vote republican? What an asshole! This is the answer?

[lonestarnot]

84. Create our own organizations!

[RepublicanElephant]

78. so according to the last speaker mcwhorter is saying that....

...if black folks want their vote to count is to vote gop?

yeah, right.

[helderheid]

80. They already DO vote GOP - not their intention but that's where their

votes go when stolen.

[EFerrari]

81. Maybe but I don't think so. He's just pointing out that sleazy

people go for the surest thing.

[EFerrari]

87. I was wrong. He is saying that. n/t

[Dinger]

93. Palast Had A Great Response:

(Paraphrasing): "They (repugs) steal your vote, and you want to reward them with your vote? NO!"

Way to go Greg!

[Wiley50]

106. Priceless Palast!

" MLK didn't say let's give the lynchers our rope.
so don't vote Repub to hold the Dems feet to the fire"

Great Panel!

[Dinger]

119. Yes, Priceless! (nt)

[Wiley50]

108. Robeson is so genuine

First panelist I've ever seen who held his head in both hands like he had a migraine
half the time he was speaking.
We all have a real headache on this issue.
McWhoreter is a shill.
That's why he made a point of saying,
"I am not a shill"
How Nixon can you get?

[RepublicanElephant]

83. you go greg!

no votes for the lynchers!

[helderheid]

85. NO BLACK VOTE FOR BLACKWELL!

[lonestarnot]

86. Woodamnhoooo! The theft of the last 2 elections is getting out

3 months before the next election!

[EFerrari]

88. We ALL have to ramp this up!

This segment can be organized from CSPAN somehow -- either with $ or by download, I forget which.

No more "reasonable" EASY VICTIMHOOD!

[helderheid]

89. I had to walk away briefly - did they mention when this will re-aire?

[lonestarnot]

94. They may have but I'm sorry I didn't catch it. I had to walk away

when it was over also.

[liam_laddie]

99. RE-BROADCAST! of Harlem Book Fair.

:bounce:
C-Span site says - Starting at 10 p.m. EDT, Sunday July 23. That would put the
elections panel starting about 11:45 p.m. Get the TiVo and VCR programmed!
Thanks to the OP and all the updaters for calling attention to this one.

[MelissaB]

103. Thank you! I missed the beginning.

[EFerrari]

109. Thanks,liam!

:hi:

[helderheid]

113. C-span 1,2, or 3 ? THANKS!!!!!

[EFerrari]

115. 2 n/t

[helderheid]

116. FOUND IT - C-Span 2 - Tivo is SET!

[DemReadingDU]

127. Darn, I missed this program, I will watch Sunday, Thanks!

[vickitulsa]

102. I just saw this thread on Greatest Page. Tuned in even though late

and am hearing the related phone calls even though I missed the panel discussion -- or most of it, it appears.

Wade Hudson just came up onstage -- black book publisher. Does this mean the panel is still speaking?

I want to know when this whole program re-airs, too, so Helderheid, if you find out, would you PLEASE let us know? I've bookmarked this thread and will check back until it's exhausted.

THANKS! Wish this had made it to Greatest Page sooner ... we should keep this in mind next time an important broadcast comes on....

[helderheid]

90. We MUST get Paul Robeson Jr. in touch w/ Progressive Democrats of America!

www.pdamerica.org

[CatWoman]

91. these phone calls are very good!!!

[helderheid]

92. yes they are! People are pissed and feeling vidicated that they finally

have the truth - we DID win, we ARE the majority, and we are not going to take it anymore!

[lonestarnot]

95. You've got that right baby! Not going to take it any fucking more!

[helderheid]

96. WOW that last call was awesome. How the hell do you think I feel??

[lonestarnot]

97. Yes, and this one isn't bad either!

[helderheid]

98. YEEHAW

:hug:

[CatWoman]

101. will this be repeated? I missed most of it

wow!! Robeson's son is the splitting image of his dad!!

[helderheid]

105. I hope they do - I MUST Tivo it and hold a precinct party!

[EFerrari]

110. liam posted it @ #103 and Viva has it on her BookTV thread.

That's what mr sfexpat said re Robeson. What a handsome guy.

[helderheid]

112. he's a hottie and I Looooove his voice!

[lonestarnot]

104. and a whooodamnwhoo!

:hug: :grouphug:

[EFerrari]

111. How is the NYTs going to finally eat a crow

THIS BIG?

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

114. NYTs answers DUers request for investigation, 12/2004

DO NOT LET THESE m#THERf^ckers forget how they tried to snow us!

To: "Elizabeth Ferrari" <sfexpat2000@
From: "Public" <[email protected] > Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Re: Blackwell Locksout Certified Recount Volunteers on Fri 12/10

At 04:54 PM 12/11/2004, you wrote:


Mr. Okrent

I personally think it's outrageous that the Times
failed to cover the Conyer's hearings.

And now, Mr. Blackwell is sabotaging the Ohio recount
in violation of OH state law.

Is the Times going to ignore this whole story? I'd
like to know so that I can reconsider my subscription
options. If the Times won't cover the news, I have to
find a paper that does.

Sincerely,

Elizabeth Ferrari

San Francisco CA
* * *


Dear Ms. Ferrari,

In the first few weeks after the election several readers wrote us about this issue. Mr. Okrent responded to these concerns on his web journal. I include the entry below (see post #35).

http://forums.nytimes.com/top/opinion/readersopinions/f...

dokrent - 5:40 PM ET November 21, 2004 (#35 of 40)

The Times and Covering Allegations of Election Fraud

Sorry to have been neglecting this spot for so long; I could give you a list of excuses, but none of them
is especially good.

Now, though, my mailbox has begun to overflow with criticisms of The Times for not looking more deeply
into allegations of large-scale vote fraud in Ohio and Florida, a story (if true) that no one can ignore. In some
of these messages, writers say that "now that the theft of the election has been proven ...," The Times must
reveal this to the wider world.

Were the assertion even nearly so, I would do more than recommend that The Times reveal it ­ I’d be
demanding it publicly, loudly and frequently. But the evidence I have seen to date proves nothing, other than
that there was a certain amount of error in certain counties, and an aggressive effort by some partisans in
some areas to challenge some likely Democratic voters. To my knowledge, no one in the Kerry campaign’s
vast on-the-ground operation, or in its armies of well-situated lawyers, has made the argument that what
happened in Ohio (or Florida) could have changed the result of the election. Similar views were explained
in "Vote Fraud Theories, Spread By Blogs, Are Quickly Buried," by Tom Zeller (Nov. 12).

And more, I expect, will be explored and explained in future articles if meaningful allegations can indeed
be established as facts. Both Matthew Purdy, the head of The Times’s investigative unit, and Rick Berke, the
paper’s Washington editor, assure me that reporters will continue to look into the issue. I’m confident that if
they find something, they’ll publish it. A good investigative reporter (much less a whole staff of them) turning
away from a story like this one ­ if true ­ would be like a flower turning away from the sun. Careers are made
by stories that detail massive election fraud.

But: the operative words here are if true. Wishing doesn’t make it so. Although it would probably pain him to
have someone from The Times touting his work, David Corn of The Nation, in a recent column, offers plenty
of reason to examine the allegations before I, or anyone else, should leap to give them credence. You can
find Corn’s column here.

Since then, over seven hundred other readers have raised similar concerns requesting more coverage on this issue. You may be interested in the following articles:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/22/politics/22poll.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/15/politics/15ohio.html

I raised reader concerns with Mr. Okrent and a few days ago he asked me to let you know that he does not believe The Times's coverage of the voting in Ohio is over.

The following articles have since appeared:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/29/politics/29ohio.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/24/national/24vote.html

Mr. Okrent wanted me to write you back asking that you please stay tuned.

Sincerely,
Arthur Bovino
Office of the Public Editor
The New York Times


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5629422

[helderheid]

117. Good LORD. No, we cannot let them get away with this. Get this to RFK jr

[EFerrari]

118. How? To the law offices? Robeson said the NYTs are complicit

BECAUSE they chronicle silently and complicitly the vote spoiling and shifting in the four day period following the election.

This letter would tend to support that argument, right? :silly:

[chimpymustgo]

120. I heard this in my car earlier. It sounds like they've got something very

close to "provable".

What now?

[EFerrari]

122. RFK Jr. seems to have whistleblowers in hand.

Please, please, let's help any way we can.

He has filed a suit.

I don't know if there is a site. The Election Reform forum might have that information.

Let's back him to the hilt.

We were not crazy. We were not involved in fantasy. Our federal elections are screwed.

Let's get them back.

Man, I can lose so much more easily if I know I just lost!

:kick:

[glitch]

121. K & R for the rerun cspan-2 10p EDT nt

[glitch]

129. Sunday! nt

[SoCalDem]

123. WELL !!..CRAP.. It's 2:51 PM, and I missed it ALL.. Is there video?

I scoured CSpan's website and cannot find any listed.. help:)

[lonestarnot]

125. Check the post just below you.

[vickitulsa]

126. You can make your own video tomorrow, 10 p.m. Eastern

I missed it too, and I think I've got the accurate info on the re-airing of the program. However, since what we wanted to see was part of the larger Harlem Book Fair programming, I'm not certain just WHEN in the line-up of their offerings our show will be seen. Someone else here might give us a tip on that.

[vickitulsa]

124. Hey, Helderheid -- a heads-up on the re-airing schedule!

I've been trying to confirm when the Greg Palast segment will be re-aired. I reeeelly want to catch it since I missed all but a couple of the phone-in questions at the end of the hour.

My Yahoo TV listings are what I count on regularly to find out not only "what's on now" but also the future airtimes for programs I want to see again, record, or recommend to others. I kept watching CSPAN2 today as the Harlem Book Fair continued to air with other presentations, and thanks bigtime for getting me over to the station even if late for the specified program, because they've had GREAT stuff all afternoon!

We should be able to catch a re-airing of the election fraud program where Steve Freeman and Greg Palast appeared tomorrow evening, Sunday, July 23rd, beginning at 10:00 p.m. Eastern. I found this time confirmed at the CSPAN Website, btw, so I think we can rely on it as accurate.

~~~~~~

P.S. Just something on another topic I thought I'd mention here. Folks who take mood altering drugs or anyone concerned about others who are taking them, and specifically I refer here to prescription anti-depressants, should check out a book called Artificial Happiness by an anesthesiologist named Richard Dworkin. I think his message is truly an important one in modern America because the overuse of these meds is arguably changing our country! Consider this: One reason so many people in the United States have been astonishingly complacent about the wrongs and outrageous acts of the present mal-administration just might be the prevalence of reckless mass doping of our population with mood altering drugs that produce what Dworkin calls "artificial happiness" and therefore rob such persons of their desire to ACT to express their outrage at what's going on.

--Please note that I'm not, repeat absolutely NOT criticizing anyone who needs anti-depressant meds -- in fact, I've had need of one at times in my own life and am glad it was there for me. This is just such a significant issue, one I've been concerned about for some time; and I'm so glad to hear a "specialist" speaking out on it. Figured I'd mention it here with a brief synopsis and perhaps trigger someone else with a more reliable computer than mine to start a thread on the topic soon. I can start such a thread myself, but it'll have to be AFTER this summer's heat waves that are disabling my PC for about 22 hours a day!

"Legitimize their stupifaction" -- how's THAT for an ear-catching quote of just one of Dworkin's phrases?!

Just think: IF the neocon election-stealing, PNAC, war-profiteering contingent now in power in America have conspired with Big Pharm to keep voters blissed out with drugs no matter what their elected (and UNelected) officials do, wouldn't this be just the perfect plan for them?

[DemReadingDU]

128. Excellent recap, thanks for this thread!

Missed the show earlier, so plan to tune in Sunday!