Senate unanimously supports Israel...

[k_jerome]

lets hope the house does the same. Write your congressman showing support for our continuing to back our only ally in the region against aggression from the terrorist group Hezbollah.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

1. I'll be writing my senators and rep for supporting killing of civilians?

I think not.

I will be writing them protesting their cowardice in not opposing aggression.

[k_jerome]

2. that is your right. nt.

[EFerrari]

29. No. That would be a wrong. n/t

[manic expression]

82. S/he IS right

you are wrong. Period.

[Critters2]

Me too!! nt

[redqueen]

3. i can't do that.

what is being done to Lebanon and Gaza is not helping.

i will call and demand they support a cease-fire, though.

[Kikosexy2]

4. I don't support...

Terrorists, Israel, Palestine, this whole Mid-East Conflict which has gone on waaaaayyyyyy tooooo llllooooonnnnggg....enough already...either make the battlefield even (i.e. U.S. supplies arsonals to Palestinians as well) and that way Palestine and Israel can blow eachother up to mithereens and leave the rest of the world out of this sh*t...either live side by side in peace and blow eachother to extinction ...aren't you all tired of this crap....

[fujiyama]

132. Better yet

How about NOT supplying either side for once.

Israel is a grown up....sort of... It's time for us to stop treating it like a child. Let the country fend for itself. It's also relatively wealthy compared to all its neighbors.

Personally, I don't think we should be giving military "aid" anywhere.

[Kikosexy2]

148. Absolutely...

amen and Thank you..

[LiberalPartisan]

5. Done! n/t

[cali]

6. Doesn't it trouble you at

all that the Congress is so hopelessly one sided?

[Misunderestimator]

7. After that, we should praise them for allowing the Iraq war to continue.

:eyes:

[LostinVA]

11. Yup -- it's the same damned thing n/t

[sinkingfeeling]

8. It was a voice vote, so no way to know if it was unanimous or if there

were more than 10 senators there.

[redqueen]

15. why are voice votes even allowed?

x(

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. CYA.

Politicians are somewhat fond of not being held accountable.

[k_jerome]

67. please see the list of democratic co-sponsors...

i don't believe they are ashamed.

[k_jerome]

19. it was by unanimous consent...

there were no objections. so it was unanimous.

[hughee99]

22. Actually,

I believe even on a voice vote, they need to have a quorum (at least 50) and for voice votes, they ask for the aye's an nay's, if no one spoke up, then it was unanimous.

[Mass]

62. Given that all 44 dems are co-sponsors of the bill, there is no doubt.

[Zynx]

102. Exactly.

[MoseyWalker]

9. Doesn't the US have other "allies" in the region?

Maybe Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan? I don't know, but it seems that they are supporting a quick and reasonable conclusion to this.

Forgot to mention Egypt and Kuwait.

Unanimous. I'll be damned.

[k_jerome]

21. many of those nations have come forward to ...

denounce Hezbollah as well. Historic split from radical Islam.

[me b zola]

129. When will the western world split from radical christianity?

:shrug:

[catmother]

25. when push comes to shove, are those countries really our

allies?

[Skidmore]

39. Well they will never be if we never really try to befriend them.

We spend all our time trying to placate Israel rather than finding common ground with the peoples of those lands. We have neocons as they have their own versions of neocons, but we don't write off all of our citizens because some of them are raving lunatics. There are lots of people in the other areas of the ME who are decent, hardworking, caring folks just trying to live their lives.

[Ariana Celeste]

66. Well said!

:thumbsup:

[burythehatchet]

48. No, I don't think so

These countries are mostly anti-US as for the people. Their governments are non-democratic authorities propped up by the US. So in name they are allies, but in reality they hate us just like most of the rest of the world.

[DanCa]

10. Clark is a non senator -

I am just saying that this is the latest reason why we need a non senator in the oval office.

[LittleClarkie]

146. But Clark supports them too?

How is his position different than this?

[theHandpuppet]

12. Sorry... not from me.

Frankly, I think this is shameful and I am appalled.

[dogday]

13. I wish they would not support either

and would try to get both to stop the bombings. The innocent people are suffering in this on both sides of this issue.. That is what they should support, keeping people alive....

[MoseyWalker]

17. that's right

support the Lebanese, and demand the cease fire on both sides - Hezbollah and Israel.

[stepnw1f]

54. That is What They Should Have Done

but they didn't because they are all stupid asshole tools who have compromised peace, truth and justice.

[Rex]

14. To bad no one will view this as a national security issue.

This hurts us, because it shows how one-sided Congress and by extension Us the People seem to be.

Call for a ceasefire, anything else is just pandering to the war crowd.

[leftchick]

16. Yes! America Commits War Crimes and Supports Israel's War Crimes!

lets all pat each other on the backs! What great fucking countries eh? Able to kill so many innocents in so many unique ways!!! Go murika! Go Israel! FUCK Diplomacy! That is for wishy washy Liberal Pansies! KILL KILL KILL! In the Name of Defense!
I am SOOO fucking Proud!

:puke:

[originalpckelly]

20. What does it mean when the group trying to kill civilians has killed 16

and the country trying not to kill civilians has killed 300+?

[leftchick]

26. It means a lot of people are falling for the Two Major War Machines

bullshit. Just wait till they call it the "war on terra"!

[sinkingfeeling]

27. Beautifully put! Let's just divide the world up with US/Israel wearing

the white hats and every other human being wearing black....then we'll know who to aim at. It's like a group of 5 year olds....'He hit me first!" "You're bad!" "No, you're bad,I'm good!". "Did not!" "Did too!"

I'm sick to death of people cheering for bombs (and having children signing the @%#* things) and rooting like for their 'side' like it's some stupid-ass football game.

[davidinalameda]

76. so Israel shouldn't be allowed to defend itself?

I'd say that they have every right to kill in the name of defense

[Finder]

23. Translation:"Bring it on"...n/t

[pyro858]

24. War Criminals Supporting War Criminals

Wow what a surprise.

[Zynx]

103. And that makes Hezbollah what?

[EFerrari]

28. Sure! I'm immediately going to write to Pelosi and ask her WHY

we didn't decimate Beirut before? I mean, it's going to work SO well!

:sarcasm:

[earth mom]

30. Support Congress?! On the contrary! Time to fire their worthless asses!!!

Congress should be promoting peace!

Otherwise they can go fuck themselves! :grr:

[ShortnFiery]

31. This is sad ... we should be calling for a CEASE fire.

If any of those Senators still had loved ones in Lebanon, they wouldn't have such spring butts for the Israeli government.

Yeah, since we have such gutless wonders as Senators ... who won't admit when "a friend" is doing wrong, perhaps we should prepare for WWIII? :( :nuke:

[MzNov]

75. I agree

this is a sad day in America. Sigh. another one under the terrorist bush regime. How unappropriate for us to declare, in a document!, that we support the killing. There it is folks. Proudly they stand behind their fearless leader, the most horrible "leader" in world history.

[AntiFascist]

84. Supporting the defense of Israel is one thing....

supporting them as they leap off of a cliff is quite another. How many American neocons really give a damn that Israel is now more deeply in the crosshairs? They just want to start a major world war so that we carry through with the Americanization of the Middle East. Creative destruction...let's see what springs up after all is destroyed.

[Ignoramus]

32. Senate unanimously supports terrorism

What a surprise.

Note who your enemies are. I think it is time to split from so called progressives who actually aren't progressive. No change is going to happen as long as we keep compromising our way backward into fascism.

We need a long term goal of building a real progressive base, allowing for short term failure. Going for short-term success isn't working anyway, and it will continue to fail. I won't vote for any incumbent Senator. I won't vote for terrorists.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

33. No, I don't support more war and death

Not from anyone.

What I would support would be seeking a solution that doesn't involve a body count.

[Balbus]

34. The Senate must have been Diebolded!

[Skidmore]

35. Keerist!

We need to find a way to make more allies in the ME in addition to Israel. This politics of divisiveness and manipulation is what got us into this mess. Hell, no! Those "leaders" need to get out there and lead since this idiot in the WH can't find his butt with both hands and a flashlight. These empty resolutions and "senses of Congress" contribute to the mess. We need a sound and fair ME policy and just siding with Israel doesn't constitute meaningful change but an endorsement of the status quo--war, war, and more war.

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[Gloria]

37. Sorry, I don't support Israel at this point....nor do I support Hezbollah.

And I certainly don't support Bushco. It's Neocon crap at work here. I would certainly support a motion to be "an honest broker." Fat chance.

I'm just about writing off politics at this point. I am totally disgusted with this apathetic country, its media, a its "leaders."

UGH

I'm leaning toward putting my energies into saving dogs and cats from neglectful human beings. Maybe I can actually help them (the animals, I mean).

[SensibleAmerican]

38. Good for them

n/t

[mmonk]

40. Yep. Another week without checks on this like a ceasefire

will end up just being plain murder. The civilian to combatant death toll is too disproportional. The leadership vacuum in America is at an all time low. Or is that high? Obvious is the word.

[ladjf]

41. No. I'm very disappointed that our Senate thinks that way.

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. This doesn't surprise me. Israel has been our ally in the region forever

and now we have "Progressives" spitting in their faces.

Good on Congress. They RARELY do anything good. 2 things in 2 days...stem cell research and support of Israel. I think I'll faint. :thumbsup: for Congress.

[blonndee]

43. Are you implying that we aren't really progressives?

I believe that's against the rules.

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[blonndee]

50. Personal attacks are also against the rules

And everybody knows when you put something in quotes, like "progressives," you're implying that it's not really the case. But whatever! I'll criticize Israel for the murderous rampage they're on and will consider myself even more progressive for daring to not swallow what Buscho and the corporate media dish out for the masses to unthinkingly lap up.

[in_cog_ni_to]

51. You do that, blonndee.

:eyes: Do you really think I care what you say and think? :rofl:

Where exactly did I post a personal attack? I asked a legitimate question. That's an attack? My, my, my...grow some backbone.

I look at myself as the non-sheeple of the Progressive's new "cause." Just because the Progressives take the anti-Israel stance does NOT mean I will. It's like a 3rd grade click. A new FAD. :eyes:

I supported Israel LONG before the freakin' neo-con decided to use them. They have been our ONLY ally in that region for as long as I can remember. When the neo-cons are finished using them, I'll still be a supporter of Israel. If you don't like that, too bad.

[blonndee]

52. No, you don't care. You accuse.

I've got backbone. I don't have to go around screaming "anti-Semite! anti-Semite!" like a freaking coward all the time instead of engaging in reasoned discussion.

[k_jerome]

55. i have yet to see your reasoned discussion....

but you are good at pumping yourself up

[blonndee]

58. Where is your reasoned discussion? You repeat the same

dogmatic points over and over again.

[k_jerome]

61. i don't woundedly claim to engage in reasoned discussion...

there is not reasoned discussion here. when Israel is characterized as evil, genocidal, a pawn of the USA, an overlord of the USA, etc...can you discuss those positions?

[blonndee]

63. I can tell you my opinion on that

but I'm not sure that it would make a difference.

I'll try, and it's really simple.

I think smearing/hating Jewish people is wrong and racist.
I think smearing/hating Arab people is wrong and racist.
I think characterizing either of the above groups as inherently anything is wrong and racist.
I think cheering on the deaths of either of the above groups is evil and racist.
As far as characterizing Israel as a pawn of the USA or whatever, I don't agree. I think the US and Israel work together much like any number of alliances there are across the globe.

And that's it, as far as the issues you presented. Does that clarify anything?

[k_jerome]

65. understood...

and I have not slammed views stated as you have stated them. i have read too often that Israel is inherently evil, genocidal, carrying out the words of their god,etc.. with no outcry from those with constructive criticism of Israel. So I have tried to address those that write these disgusting, and in my view anti-semitic, comments.

[manic expression]

85. What?

"Anti-semitic"? You are truly insane. Expressing contempt and disdain for Israel, which has been guilty of land theft, ethnic cleansing, murder and more has to do with Israel, not Judaism.

Do you like Pol Pot? Well, if you don't, you're anti-Cambodian. Which is it? :sarcasm: :eyes:

[blonndee]

60. And if you haven't seen it, then you haven't been reading

my posts. But it seems as though you don't want to hear anything that disagrees with your POV, based on your own statements. So okay. Believe what you will.

[Cvortex_10]

56. Thats just dishonest.

Your saying hes accusing people of being anti-semite, but in fact he was saying some progressives were anti-Israel (policy I assume). The country is not equivilant to a race of people. Your trying to smear the line between the two to squelch discussion - essentially setting up a straw man so you can knock it over -- the same thing your accusing him of doing. He did not say progressives were anti-semite as you state.

[blonndee]

59. I was talking about a pattern of behavior. Sorry if that was unclear.

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[blonndee]

72. Okay here are some examples, since you asked.

oNot that I want to continue to fight, but here is the basis for what I said.

In this thread you describe "the new and improved DU" as full of people who "HATE Israel" and say that "Anti-Israel is the new "Progressive" issue to back."

And then you juxtapose this with "Hamas' and Hezbollah's MISSION STATEMENT" and describe it as something these (anti-Israel DUers) defend.

You claim that DUers agree with or defend that mission statement ("We will never stop until the blood of every Jewish man, woman and child flows through the streets and into the sea."), making these DUers, according to your claim, anti-semitic.:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1668167#1668795

Here you tell a fellow DUer "Well, keep up your hopes, Thom..Iran and Syria may get involved yet and then your wish will come true...MORE Israelis will die. Are you praying? Keep praying for the death of more Israelis so we can even up this score...OK?" This is after he explicitly supported Israel's right to exist: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1656370

Then you again tell him "When HAMAS AND HEZBOLLAH ARE GONE, THERE WILL BE PEACE and for you to support terrorists that want to destroy Israel is just disgusting and sick." http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1656370

Here you tell him "Terrorist Nation? Funny. A Democratic Country surrounded by countries who want to destroy her and Israel's a terrorist nation. OK...now I know where you're coming from. You support the people who call for the destruction of Israel. All Israel is doing is protecting herself from invading countries and terrorist groups." http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1656370

Here you tell him "Sucks to be you. One who defends Hezbollah and Hamas. How's it feel to support people who have called for the blood of every Jewish man, woman and child to flow through the streets into the sea?

I don't follow people here at DU like a sheep does. You know...sheeple? It's the new Progressive fad to hate Israel. Sorry, but I have a mind and think for myself. I supported Israel long before the repukes took up the Israeli cause so take your little Rush/Hannity insult and stick it where your head seems to be. You should feel at home there since it's where you've been all day. On this issue I might as well be a neo-con? :rofl: You are a sad little man." http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1656370

Here you say: "BINGO. Great post. That's exactly what some people want. They hate seeing those Jews standing up for themselves. It drives them NUTS. They've replaced the cattlecars and death camps with bombs." http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1656370

Here you call a DUer a supporter of Hezbollah and Hamas: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&frum=364&topic_id=1667592#1667648

[Ariana Celeste]

77. Nice.

:thumbsup:

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[Ariana Celeste]

83. You don't have to actually say it,

to mean it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

86. Oh yes you do! Especially when I have been accused of saying those

SPECIFIC WORDS. Words that have never been typed from MY keyboard. If you don't like people stating things as they see them, too bad. Leave then. I have NEVER told anyone here they are an anti-semite. Period. End of subject.

I'll be here waiting for blonndee's post. :yawn: I may not get any sleep tonight!:yawn:

[blonndee]

88. I said

I don't have to go around screaming "anti-semite! anti-semite!" Are you denying that what you did was accuse people of being anti-semitic?

You seem to have a double standard here: If someone doesn't explicitly say that they hate Jews, it's still okay for you to say they do. But it's not okay for others to interpret the above rantings and diatribes as accusing others of being anti-semitic?

What would YOU call someone who wants all Jews exterminated and supports those who do? Are you saying that person is NOT an anti-Semite?

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[blonndee]

94. Why don't you put up or shut up?

If you want to fucking get down to the level of, as you keep SCREAMING like a banshee, SPECIFIC WORDS, I did not say that YOU run around saying that, although you do love to run around and spew garbage that everyone, even you, knows equates to the same thing.

And so I'll ask you again, does someone who supports the extermination of Jews, who prays for their extinction, and supports those who do so, qualify, in your book, as anti-semitic? Because IF those people are anti-semitic, then you certainly have been accusing people of being that. And I'm not the only one who has said so.

You do seem to have a problem remembering and acknowledging what you say, as pointed out in this very thread, where you claim not to have said that Israel was our only ally in the region, about two posts down from where you said exactly that.

Keep yawning. It's better than running around screaming and accusing DUers who don't have to resort to name-calling to get their point across.

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[blonndee]

106. Okay then

"Of COURSE people who support the extermination of Jews are anti-semitic"

Then you have accused DUers of being anti-semitic and I suggest you get a grip and stop it.

[blonndee]

107. And did you also not say that Israel was our only ally in the region

as you claimed not to have said?

[blonndee]

108. And did you also claim not to have said anything that broke

the rules, when in fact you did and the post was deleted?

[in_cog_ni_to]

111. Again, nice try. I'm still waiting for that post.

You said I was going around screaming "anti-semite!" "anti-semite!" and that is untrue. Now, either apologize or post the thread. If you apologize, I'll drop it.

Now you admit DUers support the extermination of Jews? So, you're saying anti-semitic DUers shouldn't be BANNED? :wow: and no one has a right to call them on it?:wow:

[blonndee]

114. I said you were accusing people of supporting

the extermination, which you did, which can be seen from the examples above. You accused numerous people of some reprehensible things, and for that YOU should apologize.

Oh, and hey, I didn't SAY you said anti-Semite, if we're playing by your rules! I never said THE EXACT WORDS, so apparently I don't have to find THE EXACT WORDS. ;-) Your rules.

Are you seriously not engaged in the reality-based community? I see you haven't answered my other questions about how you continually denying saying things you explicitly said, so I imagine you have some level of awareness of what you're putting out there. If you have to resort to the level that you have on this issue("I never exactly said the word anti-semite and therefore nanny nanny boo boo you can't catch me") but yet fail to acknowledge the other denials you have made, I can only interpret that as being purposefully disingenuous when it comes to the shameful accusations you have made.

On that note, I prefer to engage with people who 1)do not accuse DUers of ridiculous things such as you have; 2)have some ability to discuss honestly and about real issues; 3)do not resort to name-calling, knee-jerk; and red herrings when others disagree and/or when the argument isn't going the way one had hoped. So I feel as though I have wasted my time here with you. It's not worth my energy to engage in this when your posts are intellectually dishonest and flat-out rude. Apparently I'm not the only one whom you have alienated, so I wish you the best of luck with future "discussions" and hope that eventually not every comment against Israel will seem like some sort of persecution to you. I imagine that is a bad feeling.

Welcome to my Ignore list.

[in_cog_ni_to]

117. Typical cop-out when you can't prove what you say. Ignore list?

:rofl::rofl:

Just a note...I don't give a rats ass about you or anyone else here who doesn't like my support of Israel or me or what I say. It means NOTHING to me. People who support Hezbollah and Hamas are not WORTH caring about.

I've been here since DU has existed, almost, and have NEVER put anyone on ignore. :rofl::rofl:

Buh Bye!

[manic expression]

127. And the denial continues

Look, you've been plainly shown to be incorrect. However, let me venture and say that you'll continue to deny and dodge and dance instead of deal with the issues.

Oh, and you think not giving "a rats ass" makes you any less wrong? It doesn't.

Let me now break down your insipid little comment.

1.) I speak for myself, and yet you try to blanket everyone who doesn't agree with you.

2.) Look at what I said, and then maybe you'll see something (I doubt it). What did I say? Since you're the one playing semantics with what people have said (and losing), I said that those groups are "not without justification", which is NOT expressing support. I guess I expected too much out of you by expecting you to comprehend quite a simple opinion.

3.) This has absolutely nothing to do with those groups. I was asked about my opinion of them, and I gave it, because I'm not one to dance around questions. However, people who DO dance around questions then began to try to flame me for it, except they can't bring themselves to make an actual argument (go figure).

You have shown a complete lack of awareness, perspective, thought and more. You have shown yourself to be unable to comprehend an argument and equally unable to amount one. Your views are patently wrong and mistaken, and that much has been shown both by the responses you have recieved and the pathetic and practically nonexistent responses you have tried to give.

It seems that you have put just about EVERYTHING on ignore.

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[blonndee]

110. And I wasn't keeping tabs. YOU ASKED ME TO GIVE YOU EXAMPLES

and so I complied. Forget what you say, much? :rofl: I think that is a clear pattern of behavior, as evidenced in this thread.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[in_cog_ni_to]

112. Forget what you say much?

You said I go around screaming "anti-semite!" anti-semite!" which I NEVER have said. Now, quit trying to change the subject. Show me the post where I said, "you are an anti-semite."

[burythehatchet]

81. Thank you blondee, you have far more patience than do I

I gave up on this one after about 5 posts.

[blonndee]

90. Oh, I'm about to. It's really getting off the wall crazy

on this tip.

[manic expression]

99. Seeing as your post was deleted

I think we can conclude that you did say something against the rules. Nice try denying it, though, as you seem to be doing quite extensively in this thread regardless of how much evidence to the contrary there is.

What, you think this is a "fad"? Basically, you have no grip on the situation, then, for people are getting fed up with Israel's unjustified and base actions. It's no longer possible for sensible and sane people to NOT denounce what Israel has been wrongly doing. Instead of injecting immature allusions, which I guess is what you're most familiar with, try looking at reality (which I guess you are unfamiliar with).

It seems you've been delusional long before the neo-cons were, too. They have been the only country guilty of such injustice and oppression for as long as you can't remember. They have been the only country with so much blood on their hands for so long. The juntas in Central America were our "only allies in the region", do you support them, too? I mean, Uzbekistan is our "only ally in the region", so do you support them when they gun down peaceful protestors? What you believe is "too bad", becuase it's unabashedly wrong and then some.

[Wonk]

57. How do you explain the Lebanese American University then?

Chartered by the Board of Regents of the University of the State of New York in the United States of America. It has three locations, Beirut, Byblos and Sidon, Lebanon.

http://www.lau.edu.lb/administration/policies/student_university_policy.pdf

http://www.google.com/search?q=Lebanese+American+University

[in_cog_ni_to]

71. What are you talking about? I said Israel has been our ally in the region

forever. What's that got to do with Lebanon? I didn't say Israel was our ONLY ally in the region, did I? Is that what you're getting at?

[LSK]

73. uhhh, Israel is trying to destroy Lebanon???

Did you turn off the news for the past week?

:shrug:

[blonndee]

74. Sorry, but you did say that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1676262&mesg_id=1678120

[MarkDevin]

44. I don't think so.

I don't approve of my own government's military targeting and killing civilians, and I certainly don't approve of any other government's military doing the same. Sorry!

[burythehatchet]

45. NO!

This continues a failed policy that will bring pain to many people just as hundreds of innocents die today in Lebanon.

Comprehensive solution is the only option.

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[confludemocrat]

49. This should be a watershed moment

prompting everyone not in love with Israel's hegemony and claimed right to target and kill anyone at will to leave the two parties

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[High Plains]

64. What was it Ralph Nader said again? No difference?

[jonnyblitz]

78. yup. nt

[oasis]

109. Nader's full of it. Gore wouldn't have let the Israel/Palestine situation

boil over. That's the root cause of what's happening today.

[ComerPerro]

69. So, when we go to war with Iran for Israel, you're gonna enlist, right?

[SOS]

93. He won't need to enlist

A ground invasion of Iran by the US will require the draft.
If he's under 26, he'll be going to Iran whether he wants to or not.

[NaturalHigh]

70. The Senate got it right.

I'd like to think that the House will be as decisive, but there are undoubtedly some representatives who hate Israel too much to ever condemn the Hezbollah terrorists.

[manic expression]

89. It is clearly wrong

there is no justification for Israel's actions. Israel is decidedly guilty of wrongdoing not only in this instance, but throughout its existence. The real terrorists have stolen endless land in what can only be seen as ethnic cleansing, the real terrorists shoot boys and girls through the head, the real terrorists oppress entire populaces. The people who fight against these injustices are not unreasonable.

[NaturalHigh]

149. That is an argument that comes...

straight from the talking points of radical Islamists and Holocaust-deniers.

[manic expression]

79. Are you serious?

What are you talking about? This is terrible. Israel is guilty of unjustified and criminal land theft, murder, oppression and worse. They are guilty of endless wrongdoing, from evicting innocents to shooting down girls and boys in the streets (this happens quite a bit). They have committed ethnic cleansing since their inception, abusing and targeting an entire people. Israel is undeniably and clearly wrong and base and their actions show this. I support anyone who fights against this disgusting, ominous and terrible force.

Get a grip.

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[Clarkie1]

87. And, um, what do you think of Hezbollah? nt

[manic expression]

91. Please,

First of all, this is about Israel's actions, which are most assuredly wrong.

To answer your tangential and meaningless question, Hezbollah is not unjustified in this context. The same goes for Hamas.

[in_cog_ni_to]

95. Hezbollah is not unjustified and the same goes for Hamas??

Unbelievable.

[manic expression]

100. No, it's not

when you consider the history of it, as well as the whole situation.

Israel has constantly and consistently stolen land from Palestinians and encroached upon Lebanon. They continually oppress and murder Palestinians, and Hamas fights against this injustice. As Israel shows no respect for their people, lays siege to them, steals their land, restricts everything from their freedom of movement to their life expectancy, murders innocents, bombs civilians and families and more, people fight against these base wrongs, and they are not without justification.

Read and enjoy:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/v3_ip_timeline/html/default.stm

And this is BUT A TASTE of what Israel is guilty of:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1516268,00.html

[T Town Jake]

98. "Hezbollah is not unjustified in this context."

...I guess we have our answer to the question that was put to you, after the usual rhetorical blarney. And I'll be damned if you didn't offer a twofer! To wit: "The same goes for Hamas."

Unbelievable.

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[Wonk]

104. Excuse me for a minute while I LOL and post a non-sequitur

http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac_ads2/touche_480x376.mov

Ok, I'm done. Now back to the subject at hand.

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[blonndee]

97. And then they pretend not to be calling

us anti-semitic and terrorist sympathizers. Very sad and sick indeed.

[Mass]

115. no, but this poster says Hezbollah is justified.

It is a sad thing that people would not look for peace, but for violent action. They are ready to justify everything coming from the side they favour.

Sorry, I cant accept that coming from ANY side. a child that dies is a child that dies.

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[Mass]

123. I know and find that terrible. I am opposed to this bill and to the

actions of the Israeli government. I wished the senate democrats had voted for a bill like Kucinich's, though I imagine that you would have disagreed, as it does not condemn Israel and does not call Hezbollah at the negotiation table.

I am also opposed to the actions of Hezbollah.

If you dislike that, too bad for you.

As I said, a child that dies is a child that dies. I have protested enough against Israeli interventions in Palestine not to need a lesson from you. It is just I care about people, not about propaganda from any side.

[manic expression]

125. OK

The thing that is most vexing about this entire thread is the fact that after I posted about Israel, I get a question on Hezbollah. I answered it, because that's what honest people do. Now look at what honesty gets you with these people.

Anyway, we disagree on something unimportant.

[k_jerome]

you support Hezbollah and Hamas? nt

[manic expression]

119. First of all

that has nothing to do with what Israel has done. Respond to the post, not your delusions.

Secondly, saying they are generally not without justification is only recognizing what they are fighting against, and the fact that their fight cannot be viewed as wrong. The fact that you have your head firmly buried in the sand over Israel's unjustified actions and policies does nothing to change this fact.

By the way, I'm not holding my breath over a response, for the two other supporters of Israel's murderous ethnic cleansing seem to be ignoring me. And if you do respond, try looking at my post for a change.

[in_cog_ni_to]

122. It doesn't deserve a response. n/t

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[in_cog_ni_to]

134. I read what you wrote up above, believe me and as I said, it doesn't

deserve a response. It's delusional. Yesterday people were whining about being accused of supporting Hezbollah and Hamas and today we have YOU, one more DUer, admitting it.

You don't deserve a response. You know exactly what I think. I've said it enough here. If you haven't read my posts, look them up. I'm not wasting my time on you.

[k_jerome]

139. this posters insulting tone...

deserves no response, you are correct.

[manic expression]

142. What deserves no respect

is the position that Israel is in any way reasonable.

And please, keep saying this stuff in place of a real point, because it only affirms how wrong your argument is.

[manic expression]

141. Really?

Because from what I've read, you can't bring yourself to give one.

The only thing that is delusional is the blind support for Israel's murderous theft and atrocities. As I've said, and as you've ignored, I speak for myself and no one else, so if you want to try to put everyone in a box, you are only burying your head even deeper into sand. And no, I didn't "admit" to it, I said it outright, and have I withdrawn? No. Have I seen a single shred of a reason to withdraw that comment? No, and I would like to thank you for contributing to that, as well as the FACT that there is no such reason.

You continue to refuse to respond, and it only shows that you are either unable or unwilling to do so. I've read your other posts, and they ooze ignorance and denial, and it seems I have gotten only the same now. You've been wasting your time, try to think and then maybe you'll get somewhere.

[k_jerome]

126. your words:

I support anyone who fights against this disgusting, ominous and terrible force.

Just making sure I understood.

[manic expression]

128. Leave it to you

I also specified "in this context", meaning my 'support' is qualified and with limits.

Just to make sure you understand, when any group fights against injustice, that is something I will find not without justification and therefore support. That has no bearing on the group itself or my support or lack of support for said group.

Understand?

[k_jerome]

131. you are obviously too frightened to commit to a stance on an issue...

therefore you dance around the subject without actually presenting any answers. and your insults are getting a little old as well. good night.

[manic expression]

135. You are obviously wrong

read my comments on the topic. My answer was quite clear, as a matter of fact. Must I draw a picture, or is that too hard to comprehend? Let me try again, just because I'm nice.

I support groups which fight against injustice in their fight. However, that does not mean I support the group without restrictions.

For example, I like how RSS opposes missionaries in India, and so I support them. That does not mean that I agree with their philosophy on society or anything else (they are usually catagorized as "far right", by the way). Understand?

[manic expression]

136. My other post should have been easy enough to understand

If not, this should be easy enough as well:

"Snipers with children in their sights"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1516268,00.html

Is a dead girl easy enough to understand? Is it? How about this?

"The first 'clearing' operations were conducted against Palestinian villages by Jewish forces in December."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/v3_ip_timeline/html/1947.stm

Is ethnic cleansing easy enough to understand?

If you can understand that, perhaps you can understand why you are wrong.

Good night? No, it will be a terrible night, a long night for those who are victims of Israel's injustices. Any reasonable person would support the fight against those injustices. I do hope you wake up soon.

[manic expression]

130. Now that I've explained it to you

are you ready to address my points (in my original post)?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1676262&mesg_id=1679048

[k_jerome]

133. everyone that attempts to engage in your level of discourse...

becomes the target of your childish insults. sorry, no satisfaction here. good night.

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[in_cog_ni_to]

143. LOL

Who's childish? Who's been throwing the personal insults? YOU. NOW, I'm finished with you. Don't bother responding because I have just wasted my last minute on you.

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[leesa]

113. Ahhh..Payola is good...I do not support Israel's aggression.

Since most of them are on the payroll of AIPAC, this is to be expected.

[k_jerome]

116. so it is your contention that the US govt...

is bought and under the control of Israel?

[manic expression]

120. The Israeli lobbies

are very powerful in Washington, anyone who knows anything about American politics can tell you that much. What those same people can tell you is that lobbies are arguably far more influential than most other influences. Of course, expecting you to know anything about anything is asking far too much.

Please follow protocol now and divert the argument to Hezbollah.

[symbolman]

118. It's time to fire the Congress

and hire all new people. Those who would condemn the killing of ANY person by brute force.

And Bush/Cheney, etc need to be charged with war crimes on this occasion alone, they are aiding and abetting war crimes. WHen I was a younger man, the first thing the WORLD would be screaming was for a CEASE FIRE.

Now, nothing. We are murderers of children, we are killing civilization as we speak, how? By NOT speaking up and condemning ATROCITY.

And this is an Atrocity. No one can tell me that these countries don't have teams of killers that can pinpoint the enemy and avoid killing so many innocents. They are doing this because they WANT to, and they've been given the nod by that serial killer turned mass murderer BUSH.

The time for PEACE is NOW.

I will not vote for any of these again. And that is Unanimous.

[Hardrada]

137. I agree with you. I despise all these enablers of Israeli violence

when what we need is a bipartisan DIPLOMATIC approach (in league with other coubtries who have an interest in the region) to get to the causes of this violence both by Israel and by the Hezbollah etc. Bill Clinton had it right when he was using this approach.

[symbolman]

147. To me if doesn't matter WHO is dispensing the Violence

it just need to END.

All this malarky about Protecting people.. I'd rather take my chances that innocent people be SAFE against the odds that I will personally be attacked by a terrorist.

I'll handle the terrorist on my own, I've got a gun, I can make the decision and sleep fine after that.

Special Tactical World Police Units with Men from every country who STRIKE DEEP at the terrorists at their base. Simple.

What these rich white assholes are doing is handing us all a bucket of Gasoline when we ask for help while we try to put our home fire out.

They are like Monkeys with FLARES running around a fireworks factory, while someone tells us what GREAT entertainment it is, or that it will make us safer.. they have no more credibility than a kid who keeps asking, "Are we there yet?" over and over, until you ignore him, while he sets the back seat ablaze.

They are ALL murderers and live to kill and rake in money, we have no govt anymore, just a bunch of opportunists in one building that is ready to float away from all the hot air being spewed. Doesn't seem to matter what country it is anymore, but we're right there at the top.

A nation of serial killers. Each time I fill my gas tank in my car I feel nothing but SHAME. My simple use of it is killing thousands of children, and I'm finding that hard to live with. I'm ready to get a bike a sit in a dark house and read by candle light at night.

Y'know that's what Lincoln did, and look where he ended up.

Thanks for you comments, I'm not an any side but that of peace. I'm not a Christian per se, but at this point I DO wish that Christ WOULD come back, and send these Murderers all to hell.

[Jara sang]

150. No, I do not support more death and destruction.

Only ally in the region? You for got about Saudi Arabia. You for got about Iraq. You for got about Jordan.

[JackNewtown]

151. Congress is more "pro-Israel" than the Knesset...

The Israeli Knesset has more moderate voices on Israel than the US Congress does.

The problem with this, and virtually all similar resolutions, is they toe the Jerusalem/AIPAC line completely. There is no hint of balance in them.