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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 12:41 PM
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Cheerleading the Apocalypse
Cheerleading the Apocalypse
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Monday 17 July 2006

Who knows but the world may end tonight?

- Robert Browning


(snip)

The last several years have established, beyond doubt, that the Bush administration is at best inept, and at worst deliberately destructive. Watching Bush observe the carnage with a "What me worry?" look on his face has been disgusting, if not terribly surprising. The United States has abandoned its position of leadership on the world stage, and the mayhem erupting in the Middle East, combined with provocative actions from North Korea, is a direct result of that.

If further proof of this is required, look no further than the exchange between Mr. Bush and Russian president Vladimir Putin on Saturday. Bush offered a critique of Russia's so-called democracy, and Putin shot back, "We certainly would not want to have the same kind of democracy as they have in Iraq, I will tell you quite honestly." Bush tried to laugh it off, but his face purpled with rage. And so the president of the United States is publicly slapped by the leader of Russia, and we are all lessened and shamed by it, because Putin was correct.

Much of what is happening has come about, simply, because the Bush administration is run by, and heeds the advice of, stone cold crazy people. Inside the administration lurks Dick Cheney, who with his proxy Don Rumsfeld engineered the Iraq fiasco. On the outside, and enjoying far more credibility than is deserved, are voices like William Kristol's.

And then, of course, there is the Republican base, the people who stand by Mr. Bush because they believe him to be the right arm of Jesus Christ. The fundamentalist far-right branch of Christianity that has established itself as the most powerful force in electoral politics is heeded by this administration because they owe their tenure to these people.

A lot of them are thrilled by what is happening in the Middle East. An internet forum called "Rapture Ready" offers some insight into that particular breed of right-wing Christian who cannot wait for the Apocalypse. "Gosh!!!" writes one poster, "Here we are making plans to move to the east coast and we might not even have to move after all. I say, come quickly Lord!!!"

"Israel is not a land of un-walled villages so this is probably a war that will result in that," writes another poster. "Then Gog and Magog will come. But I believe we could be raptured before. I believe before Damascus is destroyed God may rescue His children out of there." Yet another poster writes, "In another thread, someone brought up the fact that the kidnapping of the first Israeli soldier that started this whole thing was on June 25th, and if you count from that day to August 3rd ... it is EXACTLY 40 days!!!!! I find that to be a HUGE coincidence."

Etc.

Mr. Bush is accounted as the unofficial leader of these people, listens to them, and has surrounded himself with violent men who share violent dreams. An analysis of apocalyptic scripture could, perhaps, reveal the manner in which a combination of stupidity, extremism and a total lack of morality is the key which will unlock the end of days. In the meantime, I am reminded of those bumper stickers which can be seen on the roads from time to time. "In case of Rapture," they read, "this car will be empty." Once, I saw a witty rejoinder to this sentiment on another bumper: "In case of Rapture, can I have your car?"

If I were making bumper stickers, I might add a new wrinkle: "In case of Rapture, can I have my country back?"

More: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071706J.shtml

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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 01:02 PM
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1. I grew up around that kind of crazy...
"religious" people...they scare the crap outta me. :scared:

Hold me. :hug:

BTW, if you make that bumpersticker on cafepress...I'll be the first in line to buy one. *snort*
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Bretttido Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 01:21 PM
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6. Kinda scares me that August 3rd is my birthday...
Those psychos better not "steal my thunder"! :mad:
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 05:08 PM
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25. What is the significance of the forty days? I am confused
Am I going to miss the rapture? What the hell is going on? I'm just not following the train of thought of the holy roller crowd these days!
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PaganPreacher Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 11:00 PM
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38. 40 days is 320 "business hours"
So, the Rapture should happen about five weeks after Rove is indicted.

Four, if everybody works through lunch.

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Get back to work! :spank:


The Pagan Preacher
Measuring the milesones in my life in "business hours" since 2006
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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 09:49 PM
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50. I'm curious
were you born a pathetic piece of crap with no sense of humor, or have you cultivated that part of your personality? Either way, I'm not sure I'd go out in public like that.

Yours,
Matt Ethridge
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PaganPreacher Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 02:18 AM
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51. I'm glad you're "mine", Matt. I always wanted a sycophant!
Think Pitt will miss you?

Then again, I already own a motorcycle. I really don't need a second one- unless you are a 2006 Honda Goldwing. Then I could make an exception.



You know, if you don't laugh when I make a joke, it doesn't mean I have no sense of humor. Think about it.

:think:

OK, enough thinking. GET BACK TO WORK! :spank: We'll never get those business hours until the Rove indictment whittled down if you keep lollygagging about!

The Pagan Preacher
Only 312 business hours to go!

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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 11:46 AM
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52. The Gold Wing?
Good God, that is an ugly beast. I'll not be the sycophant for anyone who would ride that thing. Gimme a Duc any day.

I just met my new hero. Riding in Somerville, MA, I saw a guy who was at least 65 on a BMW R80RT. He said he'd just gotten in from CA, and had put every one his bike's 103,000 miles on it.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on your sense of humor, and I have no idea how I became your sycophant by calling you out, but at least we both appreciate 2-wheelers. Got that going for us, here in the big tent.
;-)
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PaganPreacher Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:25 PM
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53. Hey, different tastes.
The Goldwings ruled Run For The Wall this year. Ugly is a matter of taste, but they performed and they were uber-reliable.

Pagan Preacher's iron Clydesdale, "Archangel" (actually, his identical twin):



This was my second year to do the RFTW on Archangel. He's a good, reliable old beast, but I am thinking about selling him to my son and getting a newer ride before next year's Run.

Ducatis are great, but sportbikes and cafe racers don't suit my kind of riding. The BMW K1200RT is my real wet-dream bike, but I am more likely to get a 'Wing because of the availability of Honda shops vs. BMW shops for maintenance and repairs in this part of the country.

The old guy on the BMW is great. I hope I am still on two wheels when I hit the big 6-5. If not, I'll have a trike!

The "sycophant" thing was based on your sig line "Yours, Matt". After tearing into me for bagging on Pitt, it struck me as funny and ironic that you declared yourself to be "mine". Since you are not exactly my type (no "Brokeback Biker" here!), "sycophant" had to do.

The Pagan Preacher
I don't turn the other cheek.
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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 09:20 PM
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56. RFTW looks amazing. eom
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 01:03 PM
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2. Mr. Will Pitt is 'right-on' yet again!
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 01:04 PM
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3. The ironic hypocrisy is that these very "Christian" people,
who are doing the cheerleading and are constantly telling Israel how much they love them, have a belief that I'm sure would shock most Jews if they were aware of it. These "true believers" believe that the Jews MUST CONVERT TO CHRISTANITY (accept Jesus as the messiah) if they are to be saved from the fires of hell. The reason they are championing the cause of Israel is because they believe this conversion will take place.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 02:40 PM
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13. The sudden Christian Right love for Jewish people is interesting.
It wasn't that long ago that they blamed them for everything.
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 11:06 PM
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39. They certainly don't "love" the Jewish people
They believe that the precursor to Apocalypse is a great war between Israel and all her enemies. Israel is supposed to emerge triumphant from this, and then Jesus can come back to end the world. Israel is a tool at best, an apocalyptic barometer at worst to these people. They could care less about th Jewish people IMHO
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:57 PM
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54. Quite possible, since they have a tendency to repeat history due...
to their utter ignorance of it:



The Abu Ghraib Prison Photos (WARNING: INHUMAN GRAPHICS)
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444


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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 11:19 PM
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40. Some of the Dispensationalists want Israel destroyed to hasten ..
Edited on Mon Jul-17-06 11:21 PM by struggle4progress
.. their own imagined "rapture."

<editt: speling>
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:10 PM
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48. ". . .a five-act play in which the Jews disappear in the fourth act. . ."
Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 02:10 PM by DinahMoeHum
Link:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/03/60minutes/main524268.shtml

(snip)
...(Gershom) Gorenberg is the author of the “End of Days,” a book about those Christian evangelicals who choose to read the Bible literally. “They don’t love real Jewish people. They love us as characters in their story, in their play, and that’s not who we are, and we never auditioned for that part, and the play is not one that ends up good for us.”

“If you listen to the drama they’re describing, essentially it’s a five-act play in which the Jews disappear in the fourth act.”
(snip)

:nuke:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 01:05 PM
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4. Nice post Will n/t
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 01:21 PM
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5. ". . . stone cold crazy . . ." may be exactly right.
Many people do not recognize that "crazy" isn't always so external that it can be easily recognized. Defensive adaptations can keep it hidden very effectively from others. And as more and more people get crazier and crazier, many more aberrant characteristics become accepted as normal, such as assuming that the ultimate solution to most problems is some form of violence.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 01:51 PM
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7. A bump
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 01:54 PM
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8. These people are truly scary.
The raptoids live in a different reality than you and I share.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 01:58 PM
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9. Let me know when you print the bumper sticker.
I'll be one of the first to buy it.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 02:00 PM
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10. "In case of Rapture, can I have you car?"
:D


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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 02:41 PM
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14. I wonder if I should fill up my tank tonight or just get $10 bucks ..
worth. I hate to die and leave a full tank of gas in my car.
:freak:
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 02:42 PM
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15. Car? It's time for a land grab, Swamp Rat.
After all, they can't take it with them! :P

I wonder how long it will be before some clever grifter figures out a way to get the Rapture-hopefuls to start selling off their property at low, low prices?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 02:58 PM
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17. Those mega-churches take up a lot of land
They could be used to put on punk rock concerts... mosh pit in the front!!! :D


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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 03:20 PM
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19. Heh! Maybe we can still get Dio to perform! n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 03:39 PM
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21. "Like a rainbow in the darrrrk!
:D :headbang:

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 02:33 PM
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11. God forgive me. I absolutely HATE these people!
I want for them what Coulter wishes for liberals. They are disgusting evil nuts along with their President. They should at the very least be institutionalized. I simply cannot tolerate this dangerous idiocy anymore! I wonder if it is possible they will realize the "Rapture" didn't come? I think anyone this evil and stupid ought not to be allowed to vote! We prevent other religions from endangering people.Why not these lunatics? They ought not to be allowed to risk the lives of innocent people at the voting box, and that is just what they did! Grrrr.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 02:39 PM
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12. Good read, thanks! n/t
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 02:46 PM
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16. When I first warned about the dangers of the fundies, Will-
you called me a dunce for believing they could do the damage they've already done. Elections would cure that, you said. Well, it's now TWO stolen elections later, and I will repeat the words that had you roflmao - these bastards have NO intentions of EVER giving up power, and they're just beginning their destruction. They won't stop until they've destroyed America itself, if not the planet itself; all of which they will gladly do in their attempt to blackmail God into returning.
They've spent fifty years, and countless millions of dollars to get the average American to be stupid/compliant enough to buy into their treasonous, evil scheme, and they will let NOTHING get in their way of completing their evil task. They will do WHATEVER it takes: World wide war, terrorist attacks on American soil, suspension of elections, and nothing short of a bloody, violent revolution will even DETER them.
The worst is yet to come. Count on it.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 03:04 PM
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18. Bush/Cheney only take action to destabilize, never to stabilize. No action
is necessary by Bush because the situation is bad enough without any overt action by the U.S.

Judging by their lack of action during Katrina, it takes the Bush admin about a week before it begins to go through the motions of pretending to do something. Condi should be belatedly on her way to the Middle East shortly for a few photo ops while actually accomplishing nothing.

The old eastern Republican establishment was centered around the financial world. It required stability for the ease of movement of capital, goods, and cheap labor. The new Bible Belt Republican establishment that Bush/Cheney work for is based on energy and national "defense." The more instability in the world, the better they like it. War is highly profitable, and instability gives them justification to invade resource-rich nations.

K&R
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 03:24 PM
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20. You wrote everything I'm thinking... Get out of my head. n/t
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 04:42 PM
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22. What seems most unbelievable about the Rapture is that....
peoples' bodies are just supposed to float up into the sky and disappear, as if God will come in the form of an ET in a spaceship. Doesn't this go against the Christian philosophy that the soul out-survives one's physical body? In reality, if anything like the Rapture ever occurs it may be in the form of bodies being vaporized due to nuclear devices.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 07:47 PM
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33. there's no spaceship...
the raptured float on up to heaven.

remember- all this shit was written up WAAAAAY before people knew anything about the solar system or how it operates, or even the different layers of the atmosphere.

i've always wondered what happens to the raptured when they hit the stratosphere.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 01:29 PM
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55. They'll get fried by the freeze...
And what will that wingnut do on August 4 when he/she/it? realizes he/she/it got left behind?

Drink the Kool-aid? Or worse...? :party:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 04:53 PM
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23. Indeed. I'm all for rapture.
Somehow, I think the world would be a much better place.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 05:02 PM
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24. Excellent - Thanks...
I seem to remember a statistic that The Rapture Cult is only about 25% of Christians so what makes them think they speak for all of us? I've about had it with their attempts to make everyone live by their narrow rules. Their God is NOT any better than MY God. So There!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 05:27 PM
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29. But that 25%
is the single most reliable voting bloc in the country.
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 05:20 PM
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26. I Want My Country Back.....
that's the bumper sticker we all should have! Good One William! :hi:
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 05:26 PM
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27. Dammit, can't they do like the first Millenialists
and just retreat from society, give away all their stuff, and become anchorites in some damn desert somewhere?

Let me ask people this - if you truly believed this was the Last Days, wouldn't you STOP BREEDING? Does it make sense to have children, some of whom will not be Raptured with you? I do not get the mindset. Yet the fundy fruitbats breed like mice, so that their children can suffer the Tribulations. I don't get it.

..they must figure that all their offspring will be saved. Well, wasn't there a fixed number - like 12,000 or some ridiculously tiny number like that - that some original Armageddonist fruitbat came up with as the number who would be saved? so if you breed little Johnny and Janey and they're Raptured, didn't they just take Mom and Great-Aunt Sally's spots in Heaven?

I suppose trying to apply logic is futile...
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 07:55 PM
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34. 144,000--a symbolic number
12x12x1000

The bible is FULL of symbolic numbers. The fundamentalists are way off again in thinking the rapture is a historical, outward event. It's an interior one, in which the person becoming enlightened experiences ecstasy--rapture--and one's entire body is spiritualized. The twelve signs of the zodiac are associated with twelve parts of the body. These are all edified in the enlightenment process, symbolized in the squaring and multipying by 1,000.

But your point is well taken, that if Revelations is taken literally (and this is one book that really shouldn't be), rampant breeding makes no sense.

I don't know how many born-again Christians there are in the world, but it's got to be in the tens of millions at least. Seems to me that rapturing 144,000 would leave several million allegedly "saved" persons behind, so WTF?!
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:12 AM
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42. And that is why
Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 02:14 AM by dancingAlone
they are in a stiff competition with each other to preach the loudest - save the most fetuses - condemn the most sinners. It is all for the rapture points, doncha know?

edit:typo
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 01:08 PM
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45. My husband - who was reared Pentecostal -
says the reason "40 days" is used so often in the Bible is that, well, the people from whom it derives weren't particularly adept at counting. "40 days" is kind of the equivalent of "many," meaning "more than I can count on my fingers and toes." So Jesus went alone into the desert for "40 days," it rained for "40 days and nights," and according to this pack of Millenialist nutbags, August 3rd is "40 days" from the abduction of the first Israeli soldier which initiated the End Times.

Sigh...and people are actually planning their lives around this kind of numerological horseshit.

Just how far are the fundy fruitbats going to revert to pagan animism, anyway? They seem to have missed the whole point of the Christian message, that things are supposed to move away from the physical, the tangible, the "maya" as the Hindus call it, and toward the spiritual.

:eyes:
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:37 PM
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49. 40...
...another symbolic number. I don't know why that particular number was chosen, but it represents the "dark night of the soul" which precedes any dawn. So you have 40 years of Israelites in the wilderness before they reach the promised land, Jesus tempted in the desert, Noah weathering the storm, etc.

Somewhere along the line the idea of interpreting biblical passages as anything other than history was lost. With it went most of the moral teachings one could extract from these passages, and the opportunity to be taught on different levels. What replaced it was authoritarianism and fear. Ironic that the whole point of protestantism was to read for yourself and decide for yourself, so as not to be misled by any intermediate authority. I'll mislead myself, thank you very much.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 05:27 PM
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28. K & R
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guinivere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 06:07 PM
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30. Right freaking on. nt
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 06:23 PM
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31. I Pray To God.
Take these people. Please.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 07:40 PM
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32. What happens August 3? n/t
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 07:57 PM
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35. Nice call, Will.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 08:00 PM
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36. It would be fine with me if all of the far right Christian fanatics
got "raptured" up, or down, or whatever, and then maybe the rest of us could get back to running a sane world.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 09:55 PM
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37. "In case of Rapture, can I have my country back?"
:toast:

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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 12:03 AM
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41. bush treating mid. east like he treated new orleans. nt
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diamondsndust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 02:20 AM
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43. in case of rapture..
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 10:36 AM
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44. I think the government should be responsible
and remove driver's licenses for all the "rapture ready"
people in the interest of public safety.
Somebody ought to introduce this bill in the House, PRONTO!
Maybe as an add-on to one of their other Christian themed
legislation...

And make some more bumper stickers...

Rapture ready?
Hand in your license!!

I'd buy one!!!!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 01:11 PM
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46. if I were Putin,
I wouldn't want to have the kind of "democracy" that the US has now either.

Diebold, election fraud and stolen elections in 2000, 2002 and 2004 are not democracy.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 01:13 PM
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47. "Then Gog and Magog will come." Bush's name in Skull &Bones
Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 01:13 PM by mnhtnbb
was Magog. References to these Biblical names are very confusing.
See Wikipedia. But given Bush's cheerleader background, and his recent inappropriate touching of the German Chancellor, it's no small coincidence
that the Magog name in Skull & Bones is given to the new initiate with the "most experience with the opposite sex". Bush still acts like he's a teenager!

www.bushisantichrist.com for the info on his Skull & Bones membership
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 09:31 PM
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57. I thought **'s S&B name was "Temporary".
Maybe there was a typo in Revelations and it should have read Grog and Magog. :beer: :evilgrin:
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DisgustedTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 09:41 PM
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58. 5/12/06 - the true apocalypse - we are standing down
The Magic Men got the TRUTHOUT!

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