RUMMY Has Till 5pm Tonight To Release Docs Re: Kidnapping Innocent Iraqis

[kpete]

U.S. accused of kidnappings in Iraq
Congress demands that the Pentagon release documents that could show U.S. forces kidnapped family members of terror suspects.

By Mark Benjamin

July 14, 2006 | Congress has demanded that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld hand over a raft of documents to Congress that could substantiate allegations that U.S. forces have tried to break terror suspects by kidnapping and mistreating their family members. Rumsfeld has until 5 p.m. Friday to comply.

It now appears that kidnapping, scarcely covered by the media, and absent in the major military investigations of detainee abuse, may have been systematically employed by U.S. troops. Salon has obtained Army documents that show several cases where U.S. forces abducted terror suspects’ families. After he was thrown in prison, Cpl. Charles Graner, the alleged ringleader at Abu Ghraib, told investigators the military routinely kidnapped family members to force suspects to turn themselves in.

A House subcommittee led by Connecticut Republican Christopher Shays took the unusual step last month of issuing Rumsfeld a subpoena for the documents after months of stonewalling by the Pentagon. Shays had requested the documents in a March 7 letter. "There was no response" to the letter, a frustrated Shays told Salon. "We are not going to back off this."

The subpoena demands that the Pentagon turn over documents about apparent retribution by the military against Army Spc. Samuel Provance, a whistle-blower, who sought to expose abuse at the infamous prison by talking to military investigators and the press. Following his revelations, the Army demoted Provance from sergeant and revoked his security clearance.

more at:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/07/14/kidnap/

[im10ashus]

1. HOLY CRIPES!

Excellent!

:kick:

[stop the bleeding]

2. picking jaw off the floor

will comment in a minute once this is digested here at DU

thanx

[annabanana]

3. 3 hours & 54 minutes to go!

Then round that sumbitch up!

[democrat_patriot]

4. A Republican subpoena? For Rumsfield?

Wow.

$20 says Rummy doesn't respond.

Or sends them 2500 boxcars full of documents. 3 pages of which tell the truth.

[Kahuna]

5. Say whaaa?

:wow:

:popcorn:

[stop the bleeding]

6. What happens if they won't comply

then what??

[stop the bleeding]

10. What happens if they won't comply

would like to see what people say on this

[kpete]

22. not complying

is what they do best...

Nevertheless,

everyday, they get shit thrown at them...

everyday, they brush it off...

ONE DAY - THE SHIT WILL STICK-

that is what I live for!

[helderheid]

23. that's what I want to know!!

[MountainLaurel]

20. man, if he gets arrested

I'm gonna be over in Kalorama to watch it.

[MyNameGoesHere]

7. God please let him be in contempt

please please please. Then throw his ass in jail!!

[LiberalEsto]

11. Frogmarch!

Oh please, Goddess, I SO want to see Rummy frogmarched to jail!

[dogday]

8. Did we do it? Sure we did... Am I sorry?

No, I did the right thing... Would I do it again? No problem, bring em on....


Or some such words as Rumsfield would say....:shrug:

[chill_wind]

18. Heh. VERY good! :-) n/t

[stepnw1f]

21. Kabuki Avatar

Got to meet David Mack and his girlfriend, who I believe is the very character in that avatar. Not sure about that, but do know that she models for him often.

[chill_wind]

25. Whoa. Very COOL! n/t

[librechik]

9. hmm--I think the stock on Magic Marker just went up

hope they get something out of those--they're going to be redacted from stem to stern.

[stop the bleeding]

12. HMMM - NO TAKERS ON MY QUESTION @ posts 6, 10

What happens if they will not comply by the deadline - then what? I read the article, was this mentioned and I overlooked it.:shrug:

[eleny]

16. I was going to ask the same thing

My guess is that Shays apologizes and rolls over. Sarcasm there. But I'm feeling pessimistic.

[stop the bleeding]

17. so then nothing

par for the course,

I really don't expect anyone to be able to provide an answer to this.

Thank you

[eleny]

19. I think that the DOD will delay and then steamroll

Shays is probably having his arm twisted as we post here. The administration isn't going to put up with some deviant pissant like Shays who obviously lost his playbook. And I hope I'm wrong, wrong, wrong.

[malaise]

13. But..but...but

Isn't Rummy in Iraq (or somewhere in the ME) creating more chaos.

[Sydnie]

14. That would explain the pictures of the "detainees" with hoods

sitting with their children by their side, wouldn't it?

[chill_wind]

15. A Congressional Republican subpoena. For ONCE! Good on Shays!

A House subcommittee led by Connecticut Republican Christopher Shays took the unusual step last month of issuing Rumsfeld a subpoena for the documents after months of stonewalling by the Pentagon. Shays had requested the documents in a March 7 letter. "There was no response" to the letter, a frustrated Shays told Salon. "We are not going to back off this."

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

24. I'll bet his shredder is hot enough to catch fire right about now!

Rummy he in trouble now.

[MountainLaurel]

26. It's 4:51 in Washington, DC, right now

Any news on the status of this request?

[Radical Activist]

27. We have seen the enemy and it is us.

[anarch]

28. well, it's just about 5 PM, what news?

I'd bet they ignore this entirely, or hand over a bunch of useless crap, or possibly say they've somehow "lost" any and all responsive documents.

[Solly Mack]

29. or what? Rumsfeld gets an extension?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

31. He can just ignore the deadline, not like Repub Congress is going to

do anything to him.

[Solly Mack]

32. Very true

but I figger he'll at least make a show of taking it seriously....and request an extension or claim it's a matter of national security and how it would harm the troops to turn the documents over.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

30. There's already been news about this before:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=582473

The story below is excerpted from NewsDay but currently not available online.

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- U.S. troops wanted Jeanan Moayad's father. When they couldn't find him, they took her husband in his place.

Dhafir Ibrahim has been in U.S. custody for nearly four months. Moayad insists that he is being held as a bargaining chip, and military officials have told her that he will be released when her father surrenders. Her father is a scientist and former Baath party member who fled to Jordan soon after the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime.

"My husband is a hostage," said Moayad, 35, an architect who carries a small portrait of Ibrahim in her purse. "He didn't commit any crime."

In a little-noticed development amid Iraq's prison abuse scandal, the U.S. military is holding dozens of Iraqis as bargaining chips to put pressure on their wanted relatives to surrender, according to human rights groups. These detainees are not accused of any crimes, and experts say their detention violates the Geneva Conventions and other international laws. The practice also risks associating the United States with the tactics of countries that it has long criticized for arbitrary arrests.

Christian Science Monitor did a story on this too:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0517/p01s02-woiq.html

[chill_wind]

33. Yesterday's deadline has now come and gone. Any word?

If we had a free, enquiring press in this country, we would.
Even if it was simply to say "Secretary Rumsfeld" won't return our calls.