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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 07:51 PM
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Sibel Edmonds: Whistlblowers Dirty Dozen Interview
Edited on Thu Jul-13-06 08:02 PM by lukery
This from Sibel:

On June 29, The National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC) announced its Whistleblowers Dirty Dozen Campaign. On July 2nd, Luke Ryland interviewed me by phone (for over two hours!). He was primarily interested in a) what the Dirty Dozen campaign intends to achieve, and b) why these particular individuals were chosen. The interview covers the importance of Congress' oversight function, the mechanics of the process of bills moving through the committees, the specific problems with particular members of Congress, and the impact of those problems.

Attached is the interview for those of you who may want to post this interview. We have posted the interview on our website: www.nswbc.org http://nswbc.org/DirtyDozen/Interview-Re-DirtyDozen.htm

Here are some excerpts:

"We've been doing this for 2.5 years, and all of our whistleblowers are asking 'well - what more does it take? We have been pounding on their doors, doing action-alerts, sending them letters - how can we get them to do something? How can we provide that push?' Well - one way is the media. There are two other ways - especially when in DC (and I call DC the real sin-city - it's not Vegas, its DC!) - Sticks and carrots."

and

Let me give you an example that I often use: If you are a private citizen and you see some criminal conduct - you see a rape for example - what do you do? You call 911, right? But let's say you are working for these agencies - law enforcement, or intelligence - and you witness criminal conduct, or severe cases of government waste, fraud or abuse - what do you do? You don't have a 911 that you can call! You can't call the police. The only thing that you can do is contact the Inspector General, OSC, etc., but these departmental IGs aren't really independent, they are part of the agencies, they're part of the system. So the only '911' that is available to Whistleblowers is the Congress - they have these committees for OVERSIGHT."

and

"Congress is the representative of the people, remember - they are supposed to be working for the public's right to know. So when they fail to pass legislation protecting Whistleblowers, or when they fail (or don't even try!) to investigate these cases, they are failing the public at large.

They are failing the public's right to know - which means they aren't even FOR the public's right to know. They are actually ANTI the public's right to know. They also abdicate their oversight responsibilities"

and

"It's the people at the front-lines - the whistleblowers who come to you, be it the federal air marshals, or be it this guy Provance who witnessed torture, or be it Bunny Greenhouse at the DoD who saw that contract fraud was happening. These are the people who are doing the job - and without these people - the Congress simply won't find out what's really going on. So by not protecting whistleblowers, by not investigating the cases, by not holding hearings - apart from this being anti the public's right to know, it is abdicating their oversight responsibility, and once they do that, there will be no accountability whatsoever, and therefore these guys are anti-accountability."

Believe it or not, over 60% of our members are Republicans and people who consider themselves conservative - however many are disgusted with this administration, and with the Republican Congress. Nonetheless, a lot of these people are from military backgrounds and consider themselves conservative. And yet - three quarters of the Dirty Dozen list is Republican. We have 84 Whistleblowers at NSWBC, mostly Republicans, and we all agreed that we have to kick these Dirty Dozen out of office."



Full interview transcript here
http://nswbc.org/DirtyDozen/Interview-Re-DirtyDozen.htm

My 'report' on the interview here (part one)
http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/07/whistleblowers-dirty-dozen-interwiew.html

The specifics of each of the Dirty Dozen are in Part Three
http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/07/sibel-edmonds-dirty-dozen-blowing_08.html

Update: Counterpunch is running the interview as their "Website of the Day" Woohoo!
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 08:38 PM
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1. documentary
one other thing - there's a sibel documentary coming out in a couple of months. It was made by a French documentary team
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:56 PM
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4. Cool!
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:02 PM
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5. grossman
grossman was interviewed :-)
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randyconspiracybuff Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 02:17 PM
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14. Do We Know if the Filmmakers..
were able to get an interview with "Denny Boy" Hastert?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 07:18 PM
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15. not sure n/t
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 09:11 AM
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11. apparently
apparetly grossman was asked who plame was and he pretended he didnt know
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randyconspiracybuff Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 02:15 PM
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13. French Documentary Will Have Explosive New Info
Apparently, the documentary team interviewed all the principals in Sibel's case: though I am not sure if they ever got a hold of Dennis Hastert. I'm told there is at least one "michael moore" moment in the movie"

Alas, right now its meant for French television. But if it makes enough of a splash over in Europe, perhaps it could make it over here on a theatrical or DVD release.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 10:15 PM
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17. some interviewees
Grossman, David Allbright, Philip Giraldi, and Joe Trento.

i can't wait to see it.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 01:07 AM
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19. Greenwald also has "Iraq for Sale" planned for a September release too...
Just saw the preview tonight when he showed us "The Big Buy" at Democracy Fest and he announced that would be the timing of it coming out then. Perhaps they should work to have a "double feature" combination in theaters at that time. A double whammy of showing war profiteers with what Sibel's information is would be enough to get everyone interested.

I do find it interesting that she chose to work with a foreign crew on this. I hope that means that she and they can afford to be a little more "forthcoming" with what they are going to say and are less liable towards being "punished" by Bushco if they decide they need to be outside the country if they go after them for "State Secrets" violations. This way, if there was something they wanted to after them with, then only Sibel would have to leave the country.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 02:11 AM
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20. states secrets
i cant imagine that sibel has said anything that she isnt allowed to say. cant wait to see it though!

hows democracyfest going?


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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 08:30 AM
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21. Democracyfest is cool...
It was fun helping lead the crowd of boos that was heard on the Franken show towards his UT reporter guest that was clueless (or, if not clueless, at least in complicit denial) on what the controversy was about the reasons we've been going after a manual hand count here for the district 50 election.

I'm guessing that at this point Sibel's not going to want to break the state secrets restrictions too, though it's interersting that the way things play out, she at least has an "insurance policy" for those who helped her on the film (being outside of the country), just in case Bushco might seek to redefine these terms and try to "rope them in".

In either case, I'm anxiously awaiting this film coming out too.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:45 PM
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2. Courageous men and women! K&R
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:52 PM
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3. thnx
thnx chillwind.

Lieberman's on the list - he might be firtst to go :-)
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 11:17 PM
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6. fantastic work Luke, as always n/t
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 11:41 PM
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7. shucks
sibel did all the talking ;-)
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 12:34 AM
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8. n/t
btw - i've between trying to work out what 'n/t' means forever....?
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 01:12 AM
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9. no text.
so ppl know the body of yer msg is blank & thus don't have to click the subj. to read it, since the subj. contains the entirety of the msg.

:hi:
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 02:05 AM
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10. thnx s/t
Edited on Fri Jul-14-06 02:05 AM by lukery
i think i've already proved that i'd never have worked that out!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 11:40 AM
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12. The Dirty Dozen list ... and snips from why Hillary is on the list:
The Dirty Dozen list is as follows (in alphabetical order)

Senator Hillary Clinton
Senator Mike DeWine
Rep. David Dreier
Rep. Dennis Hastert
Senator Orrin Hatch
Rep. Peter Hoekstra
Senator Jon Kyl
Senator Joseph Lieberman
Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger
Senator Rick Santorum
Rep. James Sensenbrenner
Rep. Mark Souder


Hillary Clinton
Armed Services Committee

There are several reasons why Clinton is on the list. We have a partner coalition that I mentioned earlier- they are called Veterans Affairs Whistleblowers Coalition - vawbc.com - and they are doctors and nurses who blew the whistle on some incredible criminal and abuse cases in the VA hospitals - I'll send you their letter to Clinton, and also NSWBC's letter - and we made lots of follow up phone calls and Clinton's office hasn’t even responded!

For the past 4 years these doctors have been trying to get Clinton's attention. a) They are from NY state, her state, and b) some of these cases are of VA patients who have been murdered.

In one case, some pharmaceutical companies give the VA hospitals $2000 per patient if the patient gives consent and signs up for some experimental drugs - and in some cases, some of these administrators and doctors - they forged patients' signatures in order to get the $2000 per head - just like guinea pigs - and some of these patients died. And because of the medical history of some of these veterans, they shouldn’t even have been given these experimental drugs - even if they had given their consent.

One guy involved in this case has been jailed for life - but they didn’t pursue it to the other doctors - but what happened was that before it even became a public issue - these pharmacists and doctors blew the whistle, and instead of looking into the issues and investigating it, these people were fired. They had to go and fight it with IGs and other such bodies - some of them got their jobs back but they're still being harassed there. But most of these problems that they reported haven’t been corrected. There has been no accountability, and many of these cases haven’t even been investigated.


Much more at:
http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/07/sibel-edmonds-dirty-dozen-blowing_08.html
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 11:40 PM
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18. horrifying
The VA story is horrifying. and clionton refused to do anything.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 03:40 PM
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22. She is wed to Big Pharma and managed care.
She also was just a recent guest at the Bilderberg's little retreat for the world rulers.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 07:39 PM
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16. k&r
Otherwise known as kicked (to the top of the page) and recommended. :hi:
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