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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-08-06 09:08 PM
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Wes Clark: Urge Sen. Warner to Investigate Bush Role in Prisoner Abuse
General Clark makes case for a Senate investigation of Bush administration role in prisoner abuse

The time has come to investigate the Bush Administration's role in the prisoner abuse and humiliation that has motivated our enemies in the war on terror and endangers the well-being of our fighting forces.

For generations, the United States has been a powerful voice of moral authority in the world. After World War II, we led the world in creating the Geneva Conventions and prosecuting war criminals at Nuremberg, and later became one of the first nations to ratify the Convention Against Torture. Even today, Slobodan Milosevic is being tried for war crimes thanks to a U.S.-led NATO air strike against his brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.

Unfortunately, the Bush administration has squandered our legacy of moral leadership.

With the right leadership and accountability, couldn't the Administration have prevented the embarrassment of Abu Ghraib and the controversy at Guantanamo Bay? While some are blaming individual soldiers, doesn't at least some of the responsibility rest with the civilian leadership of our government? Don't the American people deserve the truth? Shouldn't Congress lead an investigation?
Please sign my petition urging Chairman John Warner of the Senate Armed Services Committee to hold hearings on the Bush Administration's statements, policies, orders, and actions related to prisoner abuse.


Stop Blaming the Troops -- Investigate the Real Culprits of Abuse

Although the President has said the United States is "committed to the worldwide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example," the Administration's actions don't match his words. In his infamous memo, Alberto Gonzales advised President Bush to ignore the Geneva Convention on the treatment of prisoners of war - a treaty that protects our soldiers captured abroad - to give the president more "flexibility." This so-called "flexibility" along with other Administration policies and statements may have ultimately contributed to the environment in which the abuses at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay and Afghanistan have occurred.

Among the disturbing practices identified so far: the rendition of prisoners to countries where they can be tortured, failing to register "ghost prisoners" to deny them visits by the Red Cross, employing civilian contract agents to conduct interrogations outside military rules, and the reported prolonged degrading treatment of some detainees in U.S. custody. All of these deserve further investigation.

With the right leadership and accountability, couldn't the Administration have prevented the embarrassment of Abu Ghraib and the controversy at Guantanamo Bay? While some are blaming individual soldiers, doesn't at least some of the responsibility rest with the civilian leadership of our government? Don't the American people deserve the truth? Shouldn't Congress lead an investigation?

Sincerely,

Wes Clark



Suggested wording for petition to Senator Warner

Chairman Warner:

I urge you to investigate the Bush Administration's role in the prisoner abuse and humiliation that has motivated our enemies in the war on terror and endangers the well-being of our fighting forces.

Today, the reports of abuse and humiliation at detainment facilities in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Cuba are distracting the world from focusing on winning the war on terror. Although the military chain of command seems to have properly investigated the role of its personnel and held accountable those in the wrong, the civilian leadership in this country has failed to do the same.

How can we win the war on terrorism, a fight for democracy and freedom in America and around the world, if we forsake the very principles and institutions for which we are fighting?

The laws of war are designed to regulate combat and to protect non-combatants from the violence and degradation of war. The conduct of this Administration may ultimately lead to a green-light for our enemies to torture our soldiers when captured -- we owe it to our men and women in uniform and their families to investigate.

I urge you to hold hearings and investigate the Bush Administration's role in the abuse and neglect of detainees. For the sake of our international reputation, and for the sake of our soldiers in the field, we can't afford to keep silent.

Thank you General Clark :applause:
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-08-06 09:25 PM
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1. Why do we have to wait for a reThuglican to begin an investigation
...get an independent counsel to start investigating the parties. These are international war crimes plain and simple.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 07:22 AM
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9. It would be great if that could be done, but
My understanding is that the Bush administration would have to appoint an independent counsel before one could come into existence. Obviously, that isn't goint to happen without a tremendous amount of political pressure to do so.

I don't believe that this petition has any chance of influencing Warner to take action. But I think that it could be very important for other reasons (See my post # 5).
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-08-06 09:26 PM
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2. Is this a joke?
Warner is Bush's accomplice, just like Pat Roberts is Bush's willing and eager partner in crime! They are all in too deep now, to even think of ever turning back! It's whole hog or none for the fourth Reich repiggies. Wouldn't you hate to think that you had betrayed your country, the way these soulless drones have. Sold out America for their 30 pieces of silver! The "MORALITY" party is an unfunny JOKE! They all have "MORALS" about like Saddam had!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-08-06 11:17 PM
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5. I think it's obvious that there is not a snowball's chance in hell that
Warner or any other Republican (with possible exception of Chafee) is going to back any kind of investigation of this pResident, regardless of how much evidence there is or how terrible the crime.

However, I see two very positive effects of Clark doing what he's doing. First, when someone with his stature does something like this it's bound to get some attention. To the extent that it garners attention, and to the extent that we the people support him in this, that is bound to put at least some pressure on the Republicans. They won't support this of course, but they're bound to pay at least some political price for not supporting it IMO.

And secondly, when someone of Clark's stature does something like this, that pushes these kinds of things somewhat into the mainstream. If I did it I'd just be ignored. If Cynthia McKinney did it, they'd just ridicule her for it. But I think that it's very hard to ridicule Wesley Clark on an issue such as this. So, by his doing this, that makes it that much easier for someone else to push either this investigation or one of the many other investigations that need to be done into the workings of this administration. And so, if the Dems take control of Congress this fall, things like this will help prepare the grounds for impeachment.

And yes, I would hate to think that I had betrayed my country. But I think that most of the Republicans in Congress are either sociopaths or insane. I believe that they just don't give a f**k.

It's a pretty sorry system that brings people like this to such great power - and it is due to three related causes:
- Too much money in politics
- Control of the corporate media by the Republicans and their fellow travellers
- And last but not least, election fraud.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 02:21 AM
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8. Signed and Kicked!
:headbang:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 10:39 AM
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11. Right, Right, And Right again!
And number four would be the uninformed because of laziness, or the just plain stupid by choice voters, and five the traitors who are too stupid to even get out and vote.

What gets me is that it's taken General Clark and the other democrats so long to realize, the things that we here at DU have known for years now! I think that proves that the PEOPLE are smarter than their so called leaders! If the people ran the country instead of the lobbyists, America would be in far better shape! We elect folks to carry out the will of the people and they sell out to the highest bidders in Washington, as soon as they get there! The GOP has totally sold out, long ago!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 05:25 PM
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17. Sorry, but Clark has been advocating doing something about
various Prisoner abuse scandals since the abuse begin to be unearthed and reported on........

So it didn't take long for him to figure it out, or to speak out about it. This is just another try at being heard on the issue......

But yes, I agree with you that most folks are smarter than most politicians.....
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:33 PM
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14. Clark is at least TRYING to do the right thing. If Warner doesn't take it
up, well at least Clark tried. Alot of Dems get shot down for trying to do what SHOULD be done. I am amazed that anyone believes they should stop trying.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-08-06 09:28 PM
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3. "Endangers the well being of our fighting forces".
Sad but true.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 09:31 AM
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10. Damn right -- and it's a lot more than that
As Jimmy Carter has noted with respect to a 2003 and a 2005 conference hosted by his Carter Center, which brought together leading defenders of human rights and democracy movements from around the world to discuss this problem. Among their findings regarding the precedent that our country is setting:

The participants were in broad agreement that recent policies of the United States were being adopted … They told of a general retreat by their governments from previous human rights commitments, and emphasized that there was a danger of setting back democratic movements by decades in some of their countries…. Oppressive leaders had been emboldened to persecute and silence outspoken citizens under the guise of fighting terrorism…. The consequence was that many lawyers, professors, doctors, and journalists had been labeled terrorists, often for merely criticizing a particular policy or for carrying out their daily work. We heard about many cases involving human rights attorneys being charged with abetting terrorists simply for defending accused persons.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-08-06 10:01 PM
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4. Please sign the petition if you agree with Clark that the Bush
administration's role in the abuse and torture of our prisoners needs to be investigated by Congress.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-08-06 11:20 PM
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6. Recommended.
Edited on Sat Jul-08-06 11:22 PM by understandinglife
My wife and I have both signed, Tfc.


It Is Tribunal Time For George W Bush
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:30 PM
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13. That's great ul - Hopefully this issue will get some exposure to
Americans who know little about what is going on.
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-08-06 11:50 PM
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7. I wrote Senator Warner a very respectful letter over two months ago.
I begged him to please stop this madness, as it was giving a black eye to the US military and to the entire country. I appealed to him as a statesman, a veteran and as the chair of the senate defense comm.

I have not heard back. But I don't live in Virginia.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 12:04 PM
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12. kick
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:33 PM
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15. Republican John Warner investigate a Republican president?
Will NEVER happen. Party first with these criminals.
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11cents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 02:27 PM
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16. "Even today, Slobodan Milosevic is being tried ..."
This must have been written and posted quite awhile ago.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 05:28 PM
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18. Around some time last year.....I believe!
but apart from that line.....the rest still applies, and this GOP congress as yet to do a damn thing about it!
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