Ken Lay is dead --- Awfully convenient to Dick Cheney?

[Nimrod2005]

and his highly secretive energy task force?

[Turbineguy]

1. Let's not forget

how Enron helped shape financial laws during the late 90's that helped alQaeda hide money transfers.

[JackRiddler]

47. This is not at all paranoid, folks.

With the trial and ritualistic punishment accomplished, the real investigation was set to begin. Kenny Boy was about to be squeezed in the effort to recover billions in plundered assets - billions that obviously certain as-yet unknown people would like to keep wherever they are currently hidden. With nothing left to lose personally, and better conditions in prison to gain, you might think he'd be ready to be helpful. The timing is just perfect, since the individual punishment of Lay did serve an important function of public catharsis. And then he drops dead! It's irresistable to think he was offed (or spirited away?) - as irresistable as it is rather pointless. You can definitely file this one under "will never know." (Since his family are among the likely beneficiaries, what are the chances they'll dispute the coroner's findings?)

[FUGW]

2. If they did not kill him these guys are the luckiest M.Fer's on the planet

[Nimrod2005]

4. As lucky as they got on 9/11, what a great opportunity it was for them

this looks like another example.

I hope Duke Cunningham and Jack Abramoff are well protected in their cells.

[Freddie Stubbs]

3. Cheney is the guy who has heart attacks, not gives them

[jasop]

5. This is so damn typical.....

how many people are so blind as to think that everyone connected to something sinister with a reason to expose it will just suddenly have a heart attack. One of the EASIEST types of deaths to induce.

It is amazing how many rich and powerful guys have been disappearing, found dead, etc. in the last 7 years. Google it.. you will be amazed.

[JuniperLea]

11. While you're at it...

google chemical specialists... these scientists have been dying, many in mysterious ways, for over five years now.

[RobertSeattle]

22. Oh My God!

Over 12 Million Americans have died while George W. Bush was President!

:evilgrin:

[The Backlash Cometh]

23. How about the guy who hit his head on the garage door?

I'm saying...WTF?

[Matariki]

31. maybe they're all going to a space station or something

i think it's as likely that Ken Lay's death is faked as it is a murder. On the other hand, suicide wouldn't surprise me either.

[jarnocan]

6. AMEN!

The Bush family has had an awful lot of luck of this nature. Somehow, I find it hard to beleive nature is on their side!

[BigMcLargehuge]

7. Now Dick Cheney can loot the corpse for spare parts

[lonestarnot]

10. YES!

[samplegirl]

19. Rofl

Not thats pretty good!

[Nimrod2005]

35. Lol

:rofl:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

8. How?

It's already been decided that he doesn't have to turn them over. And Ken Lay had nothing to gain by discussing it.

[BrotherBuzz]

34. It may have been swept under the carpet, but....

there is a very inconvenient lump still there....

Bolivia is getting ready to sue ex-Enron executives over massive fraud. I suspect Bolivia is disappointed that they can't depose Lay, but Cheney might be happy that portions of his energy papers that involved South American natural gas theft will not be exposed. There are lots of dots that Cheney doesn't want connected; Calpine, Enron, Pacific LNG, Schwarzenegger....

Key Lay is was the common thread in this web of deception

[MADem]

9. Might not be so great for him; it depends

If Kenny Boy was smart, he kept good notes. Linda has those notes. Linda probably knows plenty.

Linda is gonna need money. Linda has a bubbly, made for TV personality.

She might be a good guest on Larry King come October.

[dogday]

12. It's a shame Cheney and his medical team were

not there to help save him... Cheney has Dr.'s that travel with him....Maybe they could of saved him so he could of done his time for his crime.....

[Hubert Flottz]

13. Cliff Baxtered!

He knew too many secrets on Bushco...

[havocmom]

48. That calls for a link to jar some memories

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/10/eveningnews/main505845.shtml

No autopsy
No bagged hands so they could be tested for gunpowder residue
Shot himself with 'rat shot'? Rat shot: hard to prove what gun it came from and sorta poetic for the guy about to testify on ENRON. Think there was a message there?
Body moved out of car then back into car before pics taken?
Again: NO AUTOPSY although it was required by law.

Rat shot, eh? Who do we know who uses shot and isn't afraid to hit people with it?

[Kelvin Mace]

14. Can't anyone just die

without someone insinuating they were assassinated?

[Lerkfish]

15. not any more, not with this administration, nope, nope nope....

sorry. There WAS a time when I did not assume the worst. That ended in 2000.
got a problem with it? Don't blame me, blame the people who consistently follow the worst case scenario, time and time again.

The benefit of the doubt statute of limitations has run out for them, long ago.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

18. Yes, I remember 2000 well.

When the BFEE assasinated Al Gore.

[Minstrel Boy]

24. Snark if you like,

but they did. Didn't they?

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

21. No - living in a police state makes us think this way

n/t

[Nimrod2005]

50. Poisined....nt

[tsuki]

16. Thom Hartmann covering this now. Linking to Wm Casey

convenient death.

[Ilsa]

17. My husband and his freeper boss are suspicious.

It's just too damned convenient. Or is cheney really the luckiest fucker in the world?

My husband won't put on a tin foil hat for just anything, either.

[Nimrod2005]

36. And it is Cheney who has the heart problems, not Lay!!!

[Deja Q]

20. Dead men tell no tales.

What was his weight? Family history of heart problems?

This could be interesting. If not a mere coincidence.

[The Backlash Cometh]

25. They do if they gave a manila folder to someone they trust to

send to the press in case of their untimely death. God, I hope Ken Lay WAS the smartest guy in the room.

[Nimrod2005]

37. We will know sometime after the crime family leaves office

[rman]

26. .. and to a lot of other criminals in high places.

Very convenient.

[smoogatz]

27. I'm waiting to hear an official cause of death.

I actually wouldn't be too surprised if he committed suicide, rather than spending the rest of his life in prison. Which would explain why the family pastor jumped in with the "heart attack" story. Of course, it's possible that he might have made certain--demands. His good buddy George W Bush would, of course, have had the power to pardon him, perhaps on his way out of office. Kenny Boy may have petitioned, quietly, for just such a pardon. In exchange for keeping certain things quiet, maybe. Certain *embarrassing* things. But of course, as a mystery writer I tend to think in terms of criminal conspiracies.

[rman]

29. CNN says "possible heart attack"

[smoogatz]

30. Right. But only a medical examiner or coroner can certify

an official cause of death. "Possible heart attack" is just specualtion.

[hlthe2b]

44. I thought this earlier today when I heard the news...

And I've heard rumblings that if he could fake a heart attack (and there are several drugs that are minimally detectable that would allow him to do so), his estate and life insurance would go to his wife. More importantly, though, I think that probate would allow his estate to go directly to his heirs and could avoid any court-related settlements re: enron.

I'm damned suspicious, that's for sure...

That having been said, the guy was an extremely flawed human being, but I don't think he was a sociopath, unlike Bush* et al. I'm sure he left behind those who truly cared for him. Thus, I can still muster up a bit of sympathy....

[tnlefty]

28. Did Frist do his latest physical?

:evilgrin:

[Marie26]

32. Aren't there conspiracy forums

for stuff like this? Jeez.

[rman]

33. Since the man was exposed as a criminal he had become a liability

to the Bush gang. They could no longer trust him to remain silent. But now they can. I'm sure they're relieved that he can't talk any more, whatever the cause of death may be.


The CIA has been researching a drug that does cause a heart attack and leaves no trace:

British documentary about the CIA, featuring several former CIA employees
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eKkYVVInRnc
http://youtube.com/profile?user=TheNewPatriot

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And then there's this judge who died of heart attack on the job while reviewing the case against James Earl Ray, (officially) the killer of MLK:

...
"On March 31st the Judge, who had sentenced him and who had overseen the guilty plea hearings was reviewing the petition for a new trial, had told some people that he was concerned about certain aspects of the case (whether that is serious or not one doesn't know) and he was found in his office dead of a heart attack, with his head on James' motion papers. You can speculate what that means. It may mean nothing. It just may mean that man was under a lot of stress for a lot of different reasons, he had a heart attack and he happened to be reviewing those papers and when he collapsed and the head down it was on James' papers.

But there is a law in Tennessee that says if a judge dies and you make a motion for a new trial and in the course of that motion before ruling on it the judge dies, you get a new trial automatically. There were two people who had filed those motions before Judge Preston Battle. One was James Earl Ray and the other person was the one who got the trial. James didn't..."

From a transcript of a talk by William F. Pepper, attorney of James Earl Ray and of the King family, about his book "An Act of State -
The Execution of Martin Luther King"
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/WFP020403.html


An Act Of State - The Execution of MLK (video of the talk by William F. Pepper)
http://www.chomskytorrents.org/TorrentDetails.php?TorrentID=862
Dozens of witnesses contributed to a forceful, detailed case that accused the FBI, the CIA, the U.S. military, the Memphis police, and local and national organized crime leaders. After only an hour of deliberation, the jury found for the King family. The accusers, led by Pepper, cried vindication and fully expected to be at the center of one of the biggest news stories of the century. But the trial and the verdict barely registered in the media.


The King Center
Complete Transcript of the Martin Luther King, Jr. Assassination Conspiracy Trial
http://www.thekingcenter.org/news/trial.html

[Nimrod2005]

38. Bingo!!!

[savemefromdumbya]

39. secrets will be buried with him?

or will they

[rman]

41. nah, you don't say

do you?

[uppityperson]

40. my husband's second comment this morning after hearing the news.

[theboss]

42. I remember the days of the Clinton Death List

And how much I liked the fact that my side of the aisle didn't have maniacs like that associated with them.

Oh...wait..what?

[Reckon]

43. WOW, my thoughts too. How "convenient"

now Ken will never spill the beans on the Bu$h thugs, Thats IF he's really dead.

[hlthe2b]

45. There can't be that many funeral homes in Aspen...

If there were a "body switch," they'd have to have the medical examiner doing the autopsy and the embalmer/cremator staff of the funeral homes in on it...With regard to the latter, I'd think there'd be local talk... Then again... money $$ talks.

[eridani]

46. Very, very convenient.

They killed Kenny! Those bastards! Well, who knows? Might have actually been a heart attack, but how can anybody find out for sure?

[Nimrod2005]

49. Lol...You never know with these people........