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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:09 PM
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If Mary had been pro-choice, there wouldn't be any Christmas.
Pray to end Abortion. Saw both of these on the back of a van today.

Everyone who is pro-choice always chooses to have an abortion. We're against reproduction.

God chose Mary because he knew that he had to choose someone living in an era when there was no safe and legal abortion so she couldn't really have a choice.


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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:11 PM
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1. oh don't get me started
I might say something awful like Jesus was a product of adultery...
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:08 PM
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23. one theory is that Mary was raped by a Roman soldier
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:21 PM
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28. another theory is that there ever was such a person as "Mary" nt
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:11 PM
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2. How does the mouth-breathing driver of that van know???
Only a nitwit thinks that ONLY people with NO CHILDREN are pro-choice.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:12 PM
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3. So that's their argument for not allowing abortion in the case of rape?
Why am I not persuaded?
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thepurpose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:12 PM
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4. If Mary had been President of the United States we wouldn't have
Christmas either. Oh wait there was no United States and we don't let when in the big chair anyway do we....
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:09 PM
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25. .
Edited on Thu Jun-29-06 07:09 PM by Bluebear
.
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:12 PM
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5. Either that...
or the Resurrection would have happened 33 years sooner :evilgrin:
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:15 PM
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8. Oh. you're gonna burn in hell for that~!
We would hang little fetuses on the Christmas tree. The Easter Bunny would bring fertilized eggs that never got a chance to implant and children would hunt for them on the White House lawn! For Halloween I would be an abortion doctor. :evilgrin:
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:14 PM
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6. What makes they asswipes think
Mary didn't want her baby?

How stupid are these people?

Mz Pip
:dem:
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:26 PM
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15. I think it hinges on the fact that this was at least "unplanned" pregnancy
Edited on Thu Jun-29-06 06:42 PM by kenny blankenship
(unplanned from her point of view)
If you recall, Mary is only informed about her special selection, not consulted for her opinion. It was the sort of thing that didn't require her consent. Being charitable we could speculate that God fore-knew that it would be all right by her if he knocked her up. The usual presumption of divine omniscience certainly would make it hard for us to disprove such a claim, should he ever put forward that argument in court.

Since it was an unplanned pregnancy, it would then follow that any young woman with a legal choice in the matter would hike up her skirts and rush down to the local Abortion Emporium/Democratic Party Headquarters to have that thing scraped out of her uterus, PDQ. In Freeper-Logic that is what would inevitably happen if women are allowed the power of choice each and everytime, since women are sinful and only want to have their pleasure and then exercise unholy power over the seed of a man through abortion.
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Jaundice James Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:15 PM
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7. If Mary had been Catholic...
she wouldn't have fucked that sheep herder behind the rock. -JJ
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 10:24 PM
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43. LMAO!!!
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:15 PM
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9. So the reasoning here is that...
...if Mary had the power to choose what was done to her body, and chose not to give birth to Christ, we wouldn't now have an overcommercalized holiday devoted to gluttony, corporate and personal greed, faux sentimentality and conspicuous displays of insincere religiosity? I could live with that.

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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:16 PM
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10. Yeah me too.
If only she had known what she was giving birth to.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:17 PM
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11. Mary was the first to exercise free choice
She is the epitome of choice. She made a free choice to follow God's plan. She was not a slave to anything. She's like the first women's libber. Mary was great, I love her to pieces.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:20 PM
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13. The driver (a man) obviously has a low view of women.
As do many people in the Pro-Life movement. I like the poster that says "If I can't be trusted with this decision, how can I be trusted to raise a child?"
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:20 PM
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12. Shows the mindset of these people
You realize that the bumper sticker implies that no young single woman can be trusted with a fetus because if given the chance they will automatically abort it. These people are also showing an appalling lack of Biblical knowledge-Mary knew Who impregnated her, knew her mission in life. (This is also related in the Qur'an, Sura 3:42-47)
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:21 PM
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14. So if Mary was pro-choice, it would have thwarted the plans...
...of an all-powerful god to bring his son to earth, and we would be without a crass, drawn-out, and overly commercial holiday? Cool!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:26 PM
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16. Would that mean no Santa?
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:28 PM
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17. No but there would have been Mithras-mas and Solstice and every
other winter festival that celebrates essentially the same thing and with many of the same miracles, circumstances and props.

Goober.

Favorite Artist:Karen Parker


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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:28 PM
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18. Oops, don't tell that to Bill Oreilly.
:eyes:
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:54 PM
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19. since jesus is a myth anyway, that first statement is without basis.
people like him make me wish abortion were retroactive
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bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:03 PM
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20. My favorite anti-abortion bumpersticker
was on a car being driven by a young woman with a child in the back. It said, "The most dangerous place in America today for a baby is a woman's uterus" Mind you, the smoke in her car was so fecking thick you could hardly see the baby in the back seat, and since it was winter she just had to have all the windows closed!
I was so pissed off as I drove past her that I yelled, "Better worry about your car than someone's uterus!" but she didn't hear me. I was just venting at the ignorant dittohead, but it felt good. I was still spitting nails when my husband came home that night.

:grr:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:04 PM
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21. If bush hadn't LIED and the
corporate media gone along with him there would be more than 2500 Soldiers alive and untold numbers of innocent Iraqi BABIES AND CHILDREN and EVEN Big People!!

I'm not impressed by the "there would be no Christmas"..sorry.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:04 PM
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22. "If I had been Mary, I'd have said no." - Stevie Smith
British poet.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:09 PM
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24. If jesus was black
We'd never have heard of him.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:10 PM
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26. That would have saved me a LOT of dough!
Gifts, decorations, turkeys, this stuff adds up. Thanks a lot Mary, thanks for nothing!
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:55 PM
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29. ...
:rofl: :rofl:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:13 PM
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27. Brainwashed fundies believe that pro-choice = pro-mandatory abortion.
And you really have to be ignorant, to begin with, to be convinced of that.

As America continues to dumb down, the radical religious right will continue to rise up. The right wing attacks and underfunds public education, a third of all minority students drop out of high school, and only a third of students who do graduate even begin college educations.

Once they get to college, at the University of Arizona, for example, the freshman dropout rate is 63%. Granted some of those kids go on to community colleges or other schools, but a 63% freshman dropout rate is a huge problem.

That prince of Republican thugs, Karl Rove, provided a clue about the right's strategy, when he said, "As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing."

We need to fight back against the right wing's destruction of American education.
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chaplainM Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 08:10 PM
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30. If Pat Robertson were president...
Mary would've been stoned to death for adultery.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 08:15 PM
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31. What makes you think she wasn't?
Think about it. It's an assumption to think otherwise since this is Christianity you're talking about. If she was a real woman living in those days, she may very well have supported pro-choice which included her making the decision to keep her baby rather than using the unsafe options available at that time. Abortion has been available since ancient times. Herbs were often used.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 09:02 PM
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37. Take the time to actually read posts before you respond to them.
This is a bumper sticker phrase, not my opinion.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 09:07 PM
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38. Understood
:hi:

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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 09:15 PM
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39. ...
:hi:
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 08:17 PM
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32. So being pro-choice means women automatically abort their babies?
nice logic.

:crazy:
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 08:18 PM
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33. If Mary had been pro-choice, there wouldn't be any Christians.
So this can go both ways.

:evilgrin:
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 08:26 PM
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34. If Mary had been pro-choice, Frist wouldn't know what to say.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 08:28 PM
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35. She DID choose. God asked, she said yes.
Seems like she had a choice to me.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 08:31 PM
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36. The Annunciation
:hug:
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 09:19 PM
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40. Being pro choice means just that--the right to make a moral decision.
Being pro choice does not automatically mean that one will decide to have an abortion. Being pro choice simply means that the right to decide to end a pregnancy belongs to the person most involved--the pregnant woman.

Mary was asked by God to bear the Savior of the world. She said yes, knowing that the people around her might never accept a child born out of wedlock. It was a profoundly moral decision.

What these people are really saying is that ordinary women are not capable of making the same sort of moral decision that Mary made.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 10:19 PM
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41. Pro-choice and spawned six


What the hell happened? :wtf:
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 10:24 PM
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42. Also NO CRUSADES, no burning of women as witches & no Inquisition.
Those are just off the top of my head. There's always a bright side, isn't there? :eyes:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 10:27 PM
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44. If Joseph hadn't been so gullible that ridiculous story would have...
never gained any traction
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 10:30 PM
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45. So pro-choice women never have children?
That's why no one lives in blue states like New York and there's barely enough room for all the people in red states like Wyoming. Good God, what a simplistic statement.
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Arkham House Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 10:36 PM
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46. Um hmm...and if Mrs Alois Hitler had had an abortion in 1888...
...there wouldn't have been a Holocaust...
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