why did three pugs vote against the flag amendment?

[Gabi Hayes]

why those three?

Chafee had to, right? re-election...it hurts him in his liberal state

that leaves Bennett and McConnell

dunno about Bennett, but McConnell is my guess to vote against to KEEP it from passing, so they'll have this as an issue for them to pull out every election cycle. he's as cynical and venal as they come, and has a very safe seat. did they both vote against just to have a margin, in case some wussy dem caved at the last minute?

I don't think they want ANY wedge issues to be resolved in their favor, because, aside from fear and tax cuts, what else do they have to run on?

has there been a worse five year period in the 20th Century, outside the Great Depression?

everybody knows who can take the credit for what this country has become; none better than they who caused it, and they're pulling out ALL the stops now, with all these transparent stunts, trying to keep the SUCKERS in thrall, one way or another

what's next?

another attack, or just constant fearmongering, followed by roundups of sad buffoons like the Miami 7?

you know they're capable of anything

[aintitfunny]

1. To make sure it did not pass

If the bill had passed and it went to the citizens to decide, Republicans using the issue of flag burning for political purpose would be lost.

[SmokingJacket]

6. Yes, they have to feel like the victimized minority. nt

[donco6]

11. You're exactly right.

They have a vested interest in NOT passing the amendment. By maneuvering to have it lose by ONE VOTE only makes it look like they REALLY REALLY tried. It's all a game.

[valerief]

2. Yeah, they've got an issue for every letter of the alphabet.

A for Abortion
B for Bird Flu
C for Creationism
E for Estate Tax Repeal
F for Flag-Burning
G for God
etc.

[Gabi Hayes]

3. H?

h*m*s go to hell?

http://www.yourgoingtohell.com/

[Mnemosyne]

9. Tell them what they win Don!

"Lord, I have received Your Son, and He has given me authority (power, privilege, and right) to become Your child."

Power, privilege and right - says it all about the funny-mentals.

Pray for power and privilege! I hear prayers for finances and success. I guess those things go right along with the teachings of the Christ.

[Mnemosyne]

5. H for HAVA, commonly known around here as the

Hack American Votes Act.

Good ones Valerie!

I for Indictments, Imprisonment and hopefully for Impeachment.


"I don't think they want ANY wedge issues to be resolved in their favor, because, aside from fear and tax cuts, what else do they have to run on?" You are right on that one Gabi. Head-on!

[Sir Jeffrey]

7. J is for judicial activism

[Gabi Hayes]

13. here's MY eternal itch: WHEN are the DEMS going to start

pointing this out as RELENTLESSLY, over and over and OVER, as the pugs do their few (and simple/effective) propaganda?

are they trying, and merely being foiled by the M$M, which is a possibility?

if that's the case they REALLY have to make the media an issue, just as the pugs have done so successfully for the last THIRTY years. unfortunately, they're much better at playing that

SOMEbody needs to hone their marketing skills

I posted this in another thread, but it deals with the message/image projection/marketing schemes that have kept the NEO-FEUDALISTS in power for so long

http://www.americanidealism.com/articles/karl-rove-and-...

Karl Rove & the Spectre of Freud's Nephew
February 4th 2005

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country… We are governed, our minds molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized…”

So opens Propaganda (1928), one of several strikingly frank analyses of western social psychology written by Edward Bernays. This nephew of Sigmund Freud founded the public relations industry in the United States......

>>>>>>

....Bernays and Rove both recognized the need for Americans in particular to feel as if they belong to something larger than themselves. We are after all by far the most religious post-industrial society on the planet. The American people want to embrace something that provides clarity, something that plays to their vanity and hence self-understanding. Having won the “leadership” and “individual initiative” battles, Rove delivered victory to George W. Bush for an additional underlying reason.

Rove very cleverly marketed the President’s message via easily digestible catch phrases that elicited in the consumer a deep connection. The Republicans stand for “security,” “strong defense,” “individual liberty” and “moral values.” The Democrats stand for…well; it depends on who you ask. The Democratic Party means many things to many people, often based on very personal—and hence disparate—notions of identity. The Republican Party appropriated the bedrock symbolism of “American togetherness” and thereby again cleaned the Democrats’ clock.

there's MUCH more, and it gets right to the core of these monsters' success (along with the complicity of the more than willing, more than venal M$M, of course, without whose active participation, they couldn't get away with most of it)

see what you think

[Mnemosyne]

23. I got "not found" when I clicked link Gabi. Can you

please try posting it again? You've grabbed my interest for sure!

With the attention span of gnats, no wonder Americans are such sheep and so easily led by the nose when those creatures like Rove use sound bites to market their lies backed up by a complicit media.

I'm anxious to read more.

The consumer mindset easily managed:

"“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country… We are governed, our minds molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized…”

Feed me!:hi:

[Sir Jeffrey]

4. I live in Kentucky and there was a lot of propaganda about it...

"Call Mitch McConnell and let him know how you feel" and all that bs.

There were rallies around the state in small towns to try to drum up support for it.

I thought, hmmm..., wtf is up with Mitch McConnell agreeing with me on something?

I figured it was to keep the issue from being settled. McConnell is in a safe seat for sure, so why bother settling the issue when you can use it to whip the flag freaks into an election day frenzy?

Of course this also gives McConnell the ability to say "I have disagreements with the president"...also helpful when the leader of your party is polling at 35% or so.

[Mz Pip]

8. I suspect there was

behind the scenes maneuvering going on. It's an election year ploy to get out the vote. Dems who voted for it aren't in any election year peril, so it gives some cover to the Democratic Party to not appear 'unpatriotic'. I suspect Chaffee had to vote against it since he is in a more liberal state. He may be trying to appeal to the old liberal Republicans, the few that are left.

McConnell just likes the attention. I'll be if it had been close and it was his vote that was needed to pass it, he would not have bucked the tide.

You can count on gay marriage amendments and flag burning amendments to be trotted out each election cycle. IT's all window dressing. No way will there ever by the 67 votes needed to amend the constitution on either of these issues, but it's important for both sides to spout their rhetoric and act like they really are earning their money.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[gaspee]

12. RI is still full of them

Old liberal republicans that is. My father is one of them.

Also, I truly believe Chafee is fed up with this gang. I've listened to him speak the last couple of times he was in town.

Chafee is a good guy. I could tell story after story from when he was mayor of my city. Too bad I can't vote for him. I would if I could. Since a vote for him means a vote for the rest of them, there's no way he's getting my vote.

He's going to lose the primary anyway.

Chafee made his bed. If he had gone independent or switched to Dem six years ago, he'd be a lock for reelection. I don't exactly feel bad for him, but he's made a mistake staying in bed with these crazies.

[Mz Pip]

14. He should have switched

I agree. He didn't even vote for Dubya. Said he would write in someone.

If he'd come out and said "I am not leaving the Republican Party, the Republican Party has left me," he could be running for President right now. It worked for Reagan when he left the Democratic Party.

He does seem like a good guy. But he's enabled the RW Republicans and that will cost him.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[jerry611]

10. GOP didn't want it to pass

Now they can go into November saying that Democrats are the party of gays and flag-burning.

The whole thing smells of Karl Rove.

[Warpy]

15. I don't think that's correct. The pubbies NEEDED this one

since the homophobia amendment got shot down. They need some wedge issue on the ballot in all 50 states to draw out the evangelical/nutcase/wingnut vote, something that is no longer assured them since evangelicals aren't all dumb and a lot of them are waking up very nicely to the unchristian nature of this administration.

They need a symbol charged item on the ballot and they need it desperately. I think they really expected this one to pass.

I have no idea what they'll turn to now except election fraud so blatant that even the beltway Democrats will have to notice what's going on.

It's either that or go for broke and propose an antiabortion amendment, which is what McConnel and Bennett might be trying to force.

[Gabi Hayes]

16. with all due respect, you've stated exactly WHY they didn't want it

to pass:

they're planning on turning out those people in droves to vote out the dems who thwarted them on the flag, on gay marriage, etc.

smarter people than I have been discussing this, and say that, unless the pugs have the flag/gays/terra fear to get consits off their fat white asses in this typically low turnout cycle, they're going to LOSE

if it passed, a LOT of the jingo-chauvos wouldn't HAVE that reason to turn out. they wouldn't feel the need

as I said, the "leadership" of the junta DO NOT WANT any of these issues to ever pass, because there won't be any motivation for the marginal trog vote to show up. tax cuts for people who don't make enough money for them to matter will NOT get them to the polls

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[VolcanoJen]

18. Republicans have claimed Flag Burning as a "hot issue" for decades.

They wrap themselves in it every time they're in trouble.

Besides the fact that flag burning is free speech protected by 1st Amendment, the flag burning thing is just never going to be a hot issue. Americans have a lot more on their minds.

And what's with the urgency the Republicans always imply when they bring this non-issue up? Is there some kind of flag-burning breakout, you know, a rash of folks zippin' around burning flags, that I'm not aware of? Is it more of a "safety" thing with them? :-)

[stop the bleeding]

19. the Rethugs love inventing boogey men so people will jump

at shadows.


Yep this is right up there with oh I don't know 300,000+++ Iraqi murders, 2500++ soldiers death for lies, 30,000+++ injuries for lies, price of oil, unprotected borders etc.....


Yep wrapping yourself in the Flag is a non issue and always will be - a flag burning break out LOL that is classic:thumbsup:

[jerry611]

21. Unprotected borders is not a boogeyman issue

We will cease to be a country in 30 years if the border isn't sealed and treaties like NAFTA and CAFTA are not shot down.

[stop the bleeding]

22. If you think that is what I meant

then you misunderstood the points in my post. The boogey man issue is the Flag Burning, not the others:toast:

[Gabi Hayes]

20. some pug politician just reported that flag burnings are up immensely.....

THIRTY THREE percent this year over last!

up to FOUR, from THREE!

this, today, according to Al Franken

and what was the gist of the deleted post, if I may ask?

thx

[dsc]

24. I think McConnell is just about the worst US Senator

but he actually does seem to believe in free speech. He fought McCain Feingold even when it was going to pass for sure on free speech grounds and he has been consistantly against this amendment. I don't like giving the man credit but here it is hard to fault him. He has been consistantly against this amendment his entire time in the Senate.