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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 08:16 AM
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"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice."
Martin Luther King quoting theologian Theodore Parker

Is there a moral universe, and does justice ultimately triumph?
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  - Yes and yes  SpiralHawk   Jan-16-06 08:23 AM   #1 
  - and yes again!  lonestarnot   Jan-16-06 08:24 AM   #2 
  - Wishful thinking  DavidD   Jan-16-06 08:40 AM   #3 
  - sadly, I think you're spot on  ixion   Jan-16-06 08:48 AM   #5 
  - I agree  Toots   Jan-16-06 08:49 AM   #6 
  - Yes.  PassingFair   Jan-16-06 08:41 AM   #4 
  - I think we do live in a moral universe  undeterred   Jan-16-06 10:08 AM   #7 
  - No.  baby_mouse   Jan-16-06 10:58 AM   #8 
 
SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 08:23 AM
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1. Yes and yes
Helpfully, SH
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 08:24 AM
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2. and yes again!
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 08:40 AM
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3. Wishful thinking
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 08:48 AM
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5. sadly, I think you're spot on
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 08:51 AM by ixion
justice is a purely human concept, and one that's ignored, abused and denied at nearly every turn in our existence.



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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 08:49 AM
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6. I agree
When the killers of JFK, RFK, MLK are brought to justice I may change my mind...
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 08:41 AM
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4. Yes.
Because people are basically good.

We outnumber the bad guys. We're just complacent.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 10:08 AM
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7. I think we do live in a moral universe
but there is nothing automatic about the triumph of justice. Its up to us.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 10:58 AM
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8. No.

There is no guiding force that shapes reality, only tendencies and accidents, sometimes happy, somtimes not.

There is no reason at all to suppose that the bush regime will not be completely victorious forever.

None.
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