Who is finally responsible for the state of affairs?

[Tyler Durden]

Poll question: Who is finally responsible for the state of affairs?

A lot of discussion everywhere is going on as to who actually takes the "Karmic" rap for the cesspool that the government has become, with its discount store economy, and all the empathy of a Vegas Blackjack dealer for the less fortunate in this country.

Guess Who? In my not so humble opinion, ALL of us are culpable;
...Every time we let an excuse to speak out pass us by reflects agreement through silence...
...Every CENT we pay in taxes supports their madness...
...Our very lifestyles of consuming >80% of the world's resouces makes us their tools.

I realize this is harsh in the extreme, but by every one of the world's RELIGIONS, they all strike home.

[Tyler Durden]

1. Ok, Who's the mole?

Or is it Troll these days?

[bryant69]

11. You have to speak to be a Troll

I think.

I voted I'm not about assigning blame - not that i don't see where you are coming from, but promsing America that if we are elected they are going to pay for their mistakes is not a winning strategy.

Bryant
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[izzie]

2. I do not know how to vote in this.

The people who voted for the sewer works in DC are to blame. And there are more of them voting so guess it is what most of the voters want. People who do not vote are also saying it is OK because they do not care. Of course they also give any voter a little more say in what goes on. MY vote and their vote. Bush got the go ahead from his votes. The thing is they are not to take the rights away from the people who did not vote for them. Even the Dem. did not do that. Live and let live is not in the Far Rights rules.

[Tyler Durden]

3. I would only say this:

Thanks to a failed real estate deal (and the vengeful interference of an ex-spouse), I paid around $16,000 in round dollars in Federal Income Tax. In other words, using the assumption that about half of the current tax year is going to the department of defense, I paid for approximately one of the following:

...for 8 M-16's at around $1000 each,
...for about 1/4 of a year's salary for an E-1,
...for around 25000 rounds of .223 ammunition,
...for about 2500 gallons of kerosene to run tank turbines.


See where I'm going here? No offense to anyone else, but this bugs me big time on a daily basis.

[peace13]

4. I feel the same way!

It really saddens me to send money to Washington so that the powers that be can kill and mame with it. My husband tells me I am going to far but I do believe that we as individuals are responsible for the crimes of our 'leaders'. Peace, Kim

[Tyler Durden]

5. It was a major reason I wanted to go to Canada...

Too bad that tanked.

[izzie]

8. Well we sure put the blame for things on to their leaders and people.

I was told over and over by my mother that Germans were not who made the war but had to do as their leaders said. Our founders wanted that right our of the hands of Kings and to the house near to the people. Plus a citizen army and not a standing army. Since we seemed to have become an imperial power based our on military we are in a real fix. Sad part, as they all seem to have failed.

[izzie]

6. I am with you on this but we do vote for people to run the gov.

Even when we do not like it. Those are the ones who will say if we go to war. Or so said the constitution. They let us down.

[Tyler Durden]

7. We need a "no confidence" vote.

You know, a way to say "Fuck you, You're FIRED" when these fools start acting like someone made them absolute dictators.

[izzie]

9. We do in a way but Congress is not playing by the rules

And the voters are sending them back in. I would say our Constitution has been put on the back burner. We had better get with it soon or we will have a King. An imperial dictator does not feel good to me.

[Tyler Durden]

13. Canada and the UK can crash the Gov when it starts to suck.

Plus they limit time for campaigns and limit funds to be spent.

Awf'ly progressive, old chap.

[izzie]

20. Been to long since I read about their gov. How does that part work?

I know they can do it but how do they get it started? Congress can go after our President when he does wrong but I can not figure out when they vote he can do some thing what we can do. What this one has done looks very wrong to me but no one does a thing. Congress does not even look into it.

[Tyler Durden]

21. We can't do it.

When the Commons has a "vote of no confidence" against the government, then it sets the wheels in motion. A new election is called early and that is that. The other part is that their parties "form" a "government" by allying to create a majority if none exists.

We're stuck with the usual band of idiots until someone else gets elected or impeached.

[izzie]

22. Well that sounds like a good way. Our way smells right now.

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[Tyler Durden]

23. our way "...stinks on ice," to paraphrase Mel Brooks.

Jesus didn't come down and say our way is best. I think we keep forgetting that.

[SmokingJacket]

10. We all share part of the blame, but I think a small part.

It's true I just bought a tank of overpriced gas. I pictured all the death and destruction in Iraq that was connected with that gas -- but I didn't stop pumping.

Still, my guilt dwarfs in comparison with that of the people who knowingly and eagerly participate -- with that of fuckers like Abramoff, who are profiting mightily from the misdeeds of the administration, and of the administration itself.

[Radical Activist]

12. Voting is not enough.

Excusing oneself because you took the very passive action of not voting for Bush does not make ones hands clean.

[Tyler Durden]

14. Exactly my feelings.

[Radical Activist]

16. Have you been reading Thoreau?

I was reading civil disobedience again recently and it sounds like you're making a similar argument.

[Tyler Durden]

18. Tolstoy

Once Tolstoy ran out of his house throwing anything he had of value to passing paupers.

His logic was the answer to the question "What then must we do," when confronted with need. His answer was "Anything that is within our power to do."

Thoreau works too though.

[Radical Activist]

19. Funny.

I'm in the middle of reading Tolstoy's "The Kingdom of God is Within You."

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. H.L. Mencken agrees with you. See quote.

“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken

[Tyler Durden]

17. I've always loved that one.

Maybe it's time to change some fundamental basis for government.

[Warren DeMontague]

24. I voted for the wrong choice by accident.

I thought it said "Assigning blame is what I'm about" :hippie: