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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:20 AM
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Well here they go again right wing fear.smear and BS
Sunday, June 18, 2006

Assembly Bill 2602, which would ban possession and purchase of any and all ammunition by anyone who does not possess a valid firearms purchaser identification card (NJFID), a certified copy of a permit to purchase a handgun, a valid permit to carry a handgun, or a valid New Jersey hunting license has passed the House and is awaiting a hearing in the Senate

Violators would be guilty of a crime of the fourth degree, which is punishable by a fine of $10,000 and a term of imprisonment of up to 18 months or both. The stated purpose of the bill is to reduce gang violence, but its greatest impact will be on lawful gun-owners and competitive shooters.

Currently, the National Rifle Association is working together with many of your clubs, the New Jersey Sporting Clays Association, the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs, the National Shooting Sports Foundation and various other organizations to oppose this bill.

Now heres a last of people that are supposedly supporting the NJ bill and one who supports 2nd amendment rights.

10. Mike DeWine (R.-Ohio)
Consistently the only Republican to speak in favor of anti-2nd Amendment legislation on the Senate floor


9. Jack Reed (D.-R.I.)
The most vocal opponent on the Senate floor of congressional legislation to prevent lawsuits against firearms manufacturers based on the actions of criminals.

8. John Kerry (D.-Mass.)
Accepted a shotgun as a campaign gift from union officials, even though it would have been banned under a bill he cosponsored

7. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D.-N.Y.)
Though just in her first term as an elected official, she campaigned for gun control while First Lady, advocating gun owner licensing, handgun registration and the retention by the federal government of records on lawful purchasers of firearms.

6. Frank Lautenberg (D.-N.J.)
Despite government studies showing that fewer than 1% of criminals get their guns from gun shows, Lautenberg sponsored legislation to run gun shows out of business

5. Dianne Feinstein (D.-Calif.)
Sponsor of the much-vaunted assault-weapon ban of 1994-2004. Despite the ban's having been found to have been misdirected and irrelevant to crime, Feinstein said she wished for a stronger law, one that would say, "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn all in." Feinstein carried a handgun for her own protection in California.

4. Barbara Boxer (D.-Calif.)
Sponsor of bills to ban compact handguns, such as those commonly carried for protection, by making the legality of their manufacture in the U.S. contingent upon the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' (BATFE) regulation permitting the same type of firearm to be imported. BATFE uses regulatory authority over firearms importation arbitrarily and, some say, illegally. Boxer hoped the BATFE would do the same with U.S.-made firearms.

3. Ted Kennedy (D.-Mass.)
A generation ago, this liberal lion sponsored legislation to ban and otherwise restrict handguns. He hasn’t let up a bit since.
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2. Dick Durbin (D.-Ill.)
Minority whip is top anti-gun activist in his party’s Senate leadership and a reliable activist for anti-gun legislation in his own right.

1. Charles Schumer (D.-N.Y.)
Sponsor of legislation to ban firearms as "assault weapons," to ban hunting, recreational, practice and defensive ammunition as "armor piercing," and to impose a waiting period on handgun sales. The member of Congress who most seeks publicity for himself on gun-control issues

Now notice this person hasn't posted any sorce for these anti gun "wing nuts" nor has he provided any sorce for anything except the NRA. Can anyone help debunk this?




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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:23 AM
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1. Got a link?
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:33 AM
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3. Its a local news forum that has 3 or 4 die hard right wing nuts
http://wnem5.com/Global/link.asp?L=187361&nav=menu97_5 you'll find the post under the heading "new war on drugs". Thats what made me wonder becuase there is nothing about any new war on drugs.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:31 AM
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2. Why would these national figures be weighing in on a little local measure?
Calling BS.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:35 AM
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4. Yes my thoughts were the same, he might have got it off the NRA site
but like I said, no mention of sources. Old repuke trick tactics.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:35 AM
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5. Assembly bill??? What is that?
It is not a US resolution or there would be HR in front of it. BS I'm sure...
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:40 AM
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6. Well I'm going to try to debunk him, I think he just added
the dems names who he wants to see out of congress so he linked their names with this article, notice the great puke who is the only one standing up to these anti gun dems is DeWine.
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:40 AM
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7. Gun control
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 10:41 AM by spag68
I come from a hunting state. although most of my friends now hunt with bow and arrow, it seems to me to be thoughtful to allow guns for hunting. On the other hand no one needs an automatic machine gun to hunt rabbits, so those that want all guns to be unregulated are disingenuous when they squawk about hunters being restricted.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 04:34 PM
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9. Who's talking about full-auto?
That would be news to me - all the guns banned in that 1994 bill from Feinstein and Schumer were strictly semi-automatic.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:04 PM
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10. Automatic weapons have been tightly controlled since 1934.
But hunting is mostly irrelevant to lawful gun ownership in the United States, since only 1 in 5 gun owners is a hunter.

Dems and the Gun Issue - Now What?
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:53 AM
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8. Of course. They have already been beating the gays and god drum...
...the guns drum is just the complete part of the ensemble.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:07 PM
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11. Somebody garbled the crosspost...
here's the page on Assembly Bill 2602 from the NRA-ILA web site:

http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=2280

Sunday, June 18, 2006

Assembly Bill 2602, which would ban possession and purchase of any and all ammunition by anyone who does not possess a valid firearms purchaser identification card (NJFID), a certified copy of a permit to purchase a handgun, a valid permit to carry a handgun, or a valid New Jersey hunting license has passed the House and is awaiting a hearing in the Senate.



Violators would be guilty of a crime of the fourth degree, which is punishable by a fine of $10,000 and a term of imprisonment of up to 18 months or both. The stated purpose of the bill is to reduce gang violence, but its greatest impact will be on lawful gun-owners and competitive shooters.



Currently, the National Rifle Association is working together with many of your clubs, the New Jersey Sporting Clays Association, the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs, the National Shooting Sports Foundation and various other organizations to oppose this bill.



A hearing date has not been scheduled for A 2602, but please check back for updates at http://www.nraila.org/.


Nothing about national politicians in there.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 06:24 AM
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12. I very rarely open any links in that forum since one idiot posted a link
proving black women were killing babies. When I opened the link it lead to a site who's major anti choice message was 4,600 babies found behind an Los Angles abortion clinic in a dumbster. Most of the fetus's appeared to be black. Sorry about that but if you look at it the person that put the link up added his own list to the NRA article. Bushbots over there seem to be doing that a lot.
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