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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:32 PM
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Will Pitt: Seeking A Better Debate
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062006R.shtml

Seeking a Better Debate
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Tuesday 20 June 2006

The Republican majority in Congress labored mightily last week to derail and distract any discussion of an exit strategy from Iraq. In the House of Representatives, a debate aimed at whether or not to establish a timetable for withdrawal collapsed under a rhetorical onslaught from the Right. In order to adequately describe the experience of watching the so-called House "debate" on June 15th, it is necessary to crib a line from Harper Lee: enduring that utterly empty proceeding left one with the sensation of sinking slowly to the bottom of the ocean.

On the same day, the Senate saw Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) abscond with a measure soon to be proposed by John Kerry (D-Mass.) which would have virtually all American troops removed from Iraq by year's end. McConnell's theft ensured that the measure died a swift death.

The debates in both chambers were redirected by strategy memos, prepared specifically for Republicans by Republicans, that outlined stay-the-course talking points. In the House, Majority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) distributed a memo that required GOP members to bring 9/11 into the discussion as often as possible while attacking Democrats as weak and vacillating. The debate was redirected in this fashion with dreary regularity. In the end, a measure to establish a timetable for withdrawal was defeated by a vote of 256-153.

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Murtha, a decorated Marine veteran, would have none of it. "He's making a political speech," Murtha said of Rove's comments during Sunday's edition of "Meet the Press." "He's sitting in his air-conditioned office with his big, fat backside, saying, 'Stay the course.' That's not a plan. We've got to change direction, that's what we have to do. You can't, you can't sit there in the air-conditioned office and tell these troops they're carrying 70 pounds on their back inside these armored vessels and hit with IEDs every day, seeing their friends blown up, their buddies blown up, and he says, 'Stay the course.' Yeah, it's easy to say that from Washington, DC."

An overwhelming majority of Americans believe that the invasion of Iraq was a colossal mistake, and further believe that a withdrawal of our forces is absolutely necessary. Anyone observing what took place in Congress last week cannot deny that the Republican majority has no intention of seeing those desires brought to fruition. The so-called "debate" was little more than an endorsement for more of the same in Iraq. So long as these people are in the majority, the dying and the waste and the immeasurable danger to our national security generated by this occupation will continue with no end in sight.

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 07:09 PM
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1. kick
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 07:15 PM
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2. it wasn't just republicans voting to continue the rape of Iraq....
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 07:35 PM by mike_c
There are 201 House democrats if I'm not mistaken-- it looks like at least 50 of them joined the republicans, probably more.

Nothing has made me lose faith in the leadership of this country like the war against Iraq. I lived through the Vietnam war years, through Watergate, the Iran-Contra scandal, Reagan's covert ops in Latin America (that comes pretty close), and so on.

The war against Iraq is a crime against humanity!



There should not be any debate in congress about whether to continue it or whether to withdraw-- a nation that isn't obsessed with power and greed would simply recognize the immorality of aggressive war against a country that was no threat to anyone. Congress should be debating how to proceed with criminal prosecution against the perpetrators of this war. Bush should be in custody, not in power. Watching the U.S. Congress debate how best to continue this crime rather than how to bring its perpetrators to justice is sickening and horrifying.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 08:07 PM
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3. There shouldn't be any debate about impeachment either...
impeachment of Bush AND Cheney. Incredibly absurd time we're living in now.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 08:38 PM
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4. yep....
:toast:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:08 PM
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5. Yes...a Crime Against Humanity....
...but a small percentage of Americans are making $BILLIONS.....and they are able to BUY support for the continued insanity.

The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.


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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:13 PM
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6. I predict they will use "cut and run" as their 2006 theme
I saw those Republican self-righteous "leaders" recite Karl Rove's talking points. They are hammering at the patriotism aspect of Democrats over and over and over. They were relentless on Murtha. Made me want to vomit!
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:10 PM
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7. That's all they have. n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:19 PM
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8. Our guy Murtha can
handle. I love that dude!
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:24 PM
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9. Every time a Republican tells us the we "cut and run"
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 10:26 PM by JackBeck
we shouldn't be defensive. We should just ask them "what has been and will be your plan for success in Iraq?"



And then we should debunk each talking point from there. Since there never was, nor is there now, A PLAN.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 11:50 AM
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