Of course this is callous but two occupying militrary are found killed

[cantstandbush]

and mutilated. WTF? This is WAR ain't it? Isn't that what the US brass responded to Haditha, Abu Gahraib, GITMO, and all the other incidents of American terrorism? WTF about the 2500 other soldiers? Not so much fuss made over them. What about the other Americans that are missing? I have deep sympathy for the families of these soldiers but no more than what I feel for the families of the other dead and wounded soldiers and the families of those killed on 9/11. The way this is being handled is just another shameless propaganda tactic to get the country all riled up so that they won't think clearly about the huge fucked up administration that is running this country. Another opportunity to justify this illegal and inhumane invasion and occupation.

Sorry, but that is how I feel right now.

[MichiganVote]

1. Is that really all you feel?

[Ian David]

2. How can we really know if they were tortured unless we know what they ate?

It is American policy that prisoners who are well-fed, by definition, aren't being tortured... no matter what other things you do to them.

So, while the MSM goes on and on about bruises and "signs of torture," what we REALLY need to know is their stomach contents.

Remember the GITMO debate on the floor where they read the detainee menu?

The Menu is the Message.

[deaniac21]

7. It's all code for their heads were cut off.

[Ian David]

10. So, when Bush says, "We do not torture..."

He's telling the truth, because The Presidential Code Book says that "Torture" means "Decapitation."

Gee, now I get it.

[deaniac21]

12. I have no idea of what you are talking about.

[Ian David]

14. Oh, yes you do. And I have ways of getting it out of you, too... n/t

[deaniac21]

16. Earth to IanDB1.......I am totally lost.

[theoldman]

3. Our friends the South Koreans and South Vietnamese were

jsut as cruel. Maybe that is why Roosevelt said "War is Hell". While I too have great sympathy for the families, they can blame it on Bush for getting their sons into this mess.

[oneighty]

4. These two soldiers

were taken prisoner-not abducted. Had Bush* and his ilk treated the 'insurgents' as prisoners and not as criminals the outcome of this event likely would have been different.

I do not think this will be taken as a reason for revenge by most thinking Americans.

180

[SmokingJacket]

5. It's a horrible disgusting miserable tragedy...

on top of a huge, towering, miserable tragedy of a war. Period.

I'm still ANGRY at all the people who said this would be a cakewalk, flowers would be tossed, etc. We TOLD them it would a bloodbath, and it is.

[Minnesota Libra]

6. Callously pathetic!! nt

[Bluerthanblue]

8. "We" did this....

.... to these guys- They may have done absoluetly nothing deserving of being killed- They may indeed have been tortured.- But we sent them there BY CHOICE- and we set the 'standard'- of how prisoners are allowed to be treated, as demonstrated by our treatment of Iraqi 'detainees'- By the countless civillians who have been blown away 'by mistake' because we were afraid they might be 'insurgents'-

My heart goes out to their families.- What a sad harvest of what this administration has sown.- It is 'different' when the tortured are 'our' guys eh?- Well, it isn't to those whose lives are wasted in this bloodbath- and those whose families are left with holes that will NEVER be filled, or healed.

[neoblues]

9. In any case, If we lived there...

We'd feel as they feel, that it was a justified act of resistance against the corrupt imperialist west (the great satan).

Of course, they just misunderstand us. We only want to rebuild the place, provide everyone with education, a good quality of life, opportunity, security, freedom and Democracy--so that our corporations can manage their oil for them... and we'll even pay for some of it. If they'd all just agree to work with us and stop fighting amongst themselves! Of course, we'll be managing their oil no matter how much it costs them. We are determined to help them, even if we have to kill all of them to do it! They WILL accept our kindness, by God, or we'll make their lives a living hell! We are such a compassionate, caring people--it's one of our only weaknesses!

Alas, there seems to be some sort of misunderstanding. They don't seem to trust us... It's so strange that they don't too, because as the world knows, we stand for truth, honesty, and the American Way (mostly the American Way Note: The American Way was recently subjected to a major revision/redefinition). Honest uncle (Sam), we speak the Truth! If we're lying, let God strike our President with a bolt of lightening! (nothing happened...) See? We must be speaking with unforked tongue.

Somehow, somewhere, we must've made a mistake of some kind... (uh, that'd be invading) Seems like, as countries go, we could all use some psychotherapy! (such as the removal of the Psycho in Chief)
Well, until we resolve this situation, we can't do anything different, we have to "stay the course"--after all, why change something if it's working! (what do you mean it's working? if this is "working", I'd hate to see "broken")

Urgh...
:sarcasm: mixed with bits of the truth (kind of like how Republicans mix bits of the truth into their elaborate lies, just to make them sound more convincing...

[bigtree]

11. The violence is reprehensible and abhorrent, of course

But as Bob Shrum just said on Hardball, there is a danger of the administration exploiting the "rhetoric of redemption", and deepening our involvement there based soley on reprisals for sensational violence committed against our forces. It's a contrived cycle of violence which I don't think Bush has the intellectual capacity to appreciate. Our forces made the opening atrocity with our illegal invasion and bear responsibility for the continuing violence every day we linger there, provoking the residents as our military forces attempt to suppress and intimidate them along with our enabled junta.


my latest 2 cents: Cranking Up the Occupation (6-20-2006)

[dogday]

13. When I hear Frist used cut and run and those

two boy's deaths in the same sentence, it makes me :puke: I am wondering if they are using their deaths as a talking point for their cut and run statements.. Not that I wouldn't put it past them.... They stoop low....

[applegrove]

15. Really - the soldiers hardly want to stay. Don't lay this on them.

[Philosoraptor]

17. These 2 soldiers will be relentlessly exploited till the elections.

In fact, there's probably some gruesome photos in our future.

Karl is working on it.

[Javaman]

18. What we are seeing is the byproduct of morons* stupidity. nt