Here's the Kos ban that Malloy mentioned

[clbuck]

http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/DailyKos_FAQ#Controversial_Diary_Topics

Controversial 9/11 Diaries

DailyKos accepts that the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by agents of Al-Qaeda. It is forbidden to write diaries that:
1. refer to claims that American, British, Israeli, or any government assisted in the attacks
2. refer to claims that the airplanes that crashed into the WTC and Pentagon were not the cause of the damage to those buildings or their subsequent collapse

Authoring or recommending these diaries may result in banning from Daily Kos.

[marmar]

1. Thanks for the link...

DailyKos needs to grow a pair.

[madfloridian]

2. I remember when that happened. It was a year ago.

Why is Mike Malloy so upset tonight when it is a year old?

It was a terrible time there, I remember that. The posts were pretty awful some of them, and getting bad attention from mainstream media. Some were like some posts here....planted to get DU to look foolish. I know some people here know what I mean. A post will be posted, and then at once picked up by the media.

Why is Mike so upset tonight over it?

[DaveT]

16. "Picked up by the media"

So long as progressives fear "the media" and its power of ridicule, we deserve the pervasive wingnut scorn for being losers.

For the record, I'm not much impressed by the case for LIHOP and I affirmatively doubt MIHOP. But that is beside the point. I don't mind relegating silly stuff to a "dungeon" for the convenience of regular participants who want to engage in practical and plausible discussion, rather than the thin gruel that most 9/11 stuff amounts to.

If the MSM picks up on our weirder shit and publishes it as if it were our main concern, my response is to follow the wisdom of Hollywood flackery -- there is no such thing a bad publicity.

So what if they mock us? Does anybody fantasize that if Daily Kos and similar boards "behave themselves" and only discuss "reasonable" topics that the New York Times or NBC News will give us favorable coverage? That is more far-fetched than a disappearing jetliner.

We are their competition, for chrissake. On every level. Fuck the MSM.

If and when we have the self confidence to define our own rules, then we will start to gain some respect from the dissaffected millions who have tuned out Bush, Bushism and the MSM's lame ass support for him and his movement.

[madfloridian]

18. I don't think you know the type of posts I mean

I don't feel like remembering some of them. It was not fear of the media at all, it was the fact that some were planted posts which were sent to the media. Some were pretty awful.

It is not about being afraid of the media at all.

[libnnc]

3. kick for the guy on the phone right now

[otokogi]

6. just mentioned this thread - talk about REAL-TIME baby

:bounce:

[cal04]

4. Mike just got gave out your link on the air. Thanks

CaseyBuck

[liberalnurse]

7. I'll help kick this for the Guy on the phone...

Hi Mike.....I think that is the name of the guy on the phone............:hi:

This has been brought to you by DU...GPS Services......:woohoo:

[RagingInMiami]

5. DailyKos has been chugging the ...

[Zorra]

8. LOL. Almost made me frontwash my keyboard. n/t

[Klaxon]

12. Thanks

I love that image...

[GreenTea]

14. Seems that way -They are hoping for what, mainstream? Very disgusting!

[LittleClarkie]

21. Actually, Kos off and on has been offending various groups

among them the anti-war folks and feminists.

The dude, at the least, is not a diplomat.

[LaPera]

9. Thanks!

[KnaveRupe]

10. Of course, here on DU those same topics get you banished

to the 9/11 Dungeon.

No matter where you think the line should be drawn, someone else will accuse you of being a fascist for stifling the truth.

Check out the forums over at rigorousintuition.blogspot.com - they think Skinner and EarlG are dancing with Bush and Cheney around the Sacred Owl at the Bohemian Grove because so many of them have been banned here.

Should lines be drawn?

If so, who draws them and where?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

13. I just returned from "The Dungeon..."

[otokogi]

11. mp3

mp3 (33mb)

[michael_1166]

22. Thank you for the mp3 file

and thank you Mike Malloy! It was about time someone chastises this hair-rising policy of Dailykos. In my opinion Markos Moulitsas is only in it for the fame. Looks like he perceives any discussion about 9/11 as being bad for his status as an über celeb of the left.

[GreenTea]

15. Kick!

[low_phreaq]

17. Zogby: Many believe in 9/11 cover-up and want reinvestigation.

Zogby polled 1200 people last month. I'm pretty sure this was talked about here back then, but I think it's relevant to this discussion. Three excerpts from the poll:

24. Some people believe that the US government and its 9/11 Commission concealed or refused to investigate critical evidence that contradicts their official explanation of the September 11th attacks, saying there has been a cover-up. Others say that the 9/11 Commission was a bi-partisan group of honest and well-respected people and that there is no reason they would want to cover-up anything. Who are you more likely to agree with?

Close to half (48%) agrees the U.S. government and 9/11 Commission are not covering up anything, yet nearly as many (42%) believe the government and 9/11 Commission are covering up. One in ten (10%) is unsure.

25. World Trade Center Building 7 is the 47-story skyscraper that was not hit by any planes during the September 11th attacks, but still totally collapsed later the same day. This collapse was not investigated by the 9/11 Commission. Are you aware of this skyscraper's collapse, and if so do you believe that the Commission should have also investigated it? Or do you believe that the Commission was right to only investigate the collapse of the buildings which were directly hit by airplanes?

A plurality (43%) is not aware of World Trade Center Building 7's collapse. Nearly as many (38%), though, are aware of it and think the Commission should have investigated it. People are least likely to be aware of the building’s collapse and think the Commission was right to investigate just the Twin Towers' collapse (14%).

26. Some people say that so many unanswered questions about 9/11 remain that Congress or an International Tribunal should re-investigate the attacks, including whether any US government officials consciously allowed or helped facilitate their success. Other people say the 9/11 attacks were thoroughly investigated and that any speculation about US government involvement is nonsense. Who are you more likely to agree with?

People are again closely divided, this time with a slight plurality (47%) saying the attacks were thoroughly investigated, while 45% feel the attacks should be reinvestigated. Nearly one in ten (8%) are not sure.

http://www.zogby.com/features/features.dbm?ID=231

I think more and more people out there want critical discussion of 9/11 and a possible cover-up. If we can't even openly talk about it here, what does this say about us? To me, it doesn't make sense for an "underground" to have a "dungeon". I mean, that's like double-secret probation, isn't it?
O8) :evilgrin:

[mirandapriestly]

20. Why would anybody be afraid of that?

The victims families are first in line wanting answers to questions, I'm curious as to the motives of any DUers who try to inhibit 911 motives. It just doesn't make sense.

[notadmblnd]

24. We shouldn't call it a dungeon

we should call it sub-level II

[Nabia2004]

25. and the New York Poll

Released: August 30, 2004

Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and “Consciously Failed” To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York’s Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals


On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act," according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/-3.5.

The poll is the first of its kind conducted in America that surveys attitudes regarding US government complicity in the 9/11 tragedy. Despite the acute legal and political implications of this accusation, nearly 30% of registered Republicans and over 38% of those who described themselves as "very conservative" supported the claim.

The charge found very high support among adults under 30 (62.8%), African-Americans (62.5%), Hispanics (60.1%), Asians (59.4%), and "Born Again" Evangelical Christians (47.9%).

Less than two in five (36%) believe that the 9/11 Commission had "answered all the important questions about what actually happened on September 11th," and two in three (66%) New Yorkers (and 56.2% overall) called for another full investigation of the "still unanswered questions" by Congress or Elliot Spitzer, New York's Attorney General. Self-identified "very liberal" New Yorkers supported a new inquiry by a margin of three to one, but so did half (53%) of "very conservative" citizens across the state. The call for a deeper probe was especially strong from Hispanics (75.6%), African-Americans (75.3%) citizens with income from $15-25K (74.3%), women (62%) and Evangelicals (59.9%).

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

[cosmicdot]

19. .

fwiw

Markos Moulitsas Zúniga, NPI Fellow

http://www.newpolitics.net/about/foundingteam/
A "New Dem" offshoot of New Dem Network http://www.newdem.org/, a branch off the DLC.

[leveymg]

23. Depends on how you define, "government assisted" the 9/11 attacks

There is no ban at DKos on drawing attention to the very real discrepencies and contradictions enshrined in governmental statements, testimony and reports, i.e., the official conspiracy 9/11 theory.

I am aware of no well-sourced and rationally argued post related to government complicity or culpability for 9/11 that's been banned at DKos in the last few years. If someone can provide an example, I'd very much like to see it.

There's a concerted attempt to drive a wedge between DKos and the progressive blogs right now, and this feeds right into it.

[EVDebs]

26. Where's David Ray Griffin's 'Kos diary page ? I sure hope he's set one up

Logical sutained reason by Griffin is like water eroding a mudpile.