Try To Buy Fertilizer Versus Conspiracy To Murder Hitoshi Igarashi

[Boojatta]

Which is a more serious kind of terrorist activity? What if the fertilizer was not even delivered? What if Hitoshi Igarashi was actually murdered?

Note: I don't claim that Hitoshi Igarashi was actually murdered because I do not wish to engage in debate with historical revisionists. The question is posed as a hypothetical. You can answer the question or you can refuse to answer it. If you choose to replace it with your own question then please do so on your own thread.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

1. Sometimes your posts make me feel

inadequate! I have no idea who Hitoshi Igarashi is!

[Boojatta]

2. Nobody knows everything. If you can go to DU, then perhaps you

can go to your favorite online search engine or online encyclopaedia. You replied to this thread before anybody else, but any pressure that you felt to do that was self-imposed.

If there is time enough for love then there is surely time enough for research. After all, it's prudent to know something about one's lover and to get that knowledge one must do some kind of research.

As Martha Stewart would say: research the law before engaging in questionable stock market transactions -- research, it's a good thing.

[acmavm]

3. Why when I check your user profile does it say it does not exist? When

people don't want anyone to know about them their profile says it's locked or blocked or whatever. Your's says it doesn't exist. Why?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

4. Yes, you are correct

but what I was trying to express to you was that you were posting about something I would have to research before getting back to you.

I pride myself on being fairly well informed, but this one had me completely blank!

Research is a good thing.

[papau]

5. The Iranian Islamic fatwa against Rushdie caused Igarashi's death in '91

Professor Hitoshi Igarashi, Japanese translator of Salman Rushdie's book, was stabbed in the face and arms until he died on Tsukuba University's campus in Ibaraki on July 11, 1991. The Islamic fatwa also caused Salman Rushdie's Norwegian publisher, William Nygaard, to be shot, his Italian translator, Ettore Capriolo, to be stabbed and beaten, and the death of 37 people in a hotel fire by Muslims protesting against Rushdie's Turkish translator.

Indeed, The religious fatwa on Rushdie and those associated with the book is not only a fatwa, valid only during the lifetime of the religious authority who issued, it is also an Iranian hukm that continues in effect beyond the death of that religious authority per the statement of Ayatollah Abdallah Javadi-Amoli in February 1997: "This is not a fatwa which died with the death of the religious leader who issued it.... It is a hukm which is permanent and it will stay in place until it is carried out."

The original poster is, I believe, saying people should not forget the terrorist act caused by the Muslim fatwa tradition on July 11, 1991.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

7. Thank you

that is indeed, sobering. I was under the mistaken impression that Rushdie had "escaped" harm. I guess his associates were not as lucky.

[Vidar]

14. Someone had to say it. Thank you.

[pnorman]

6. Here's a reference:

Japanese Translator of Rushdie Book Found Slain
By STEVEN R. WEISMAN

TOKYO, July 12 -- The Japanese translator of "The Satanic Verses," by Salman Rushdie, was found slain today at a university northeast of Tokyo.

The translator, Hitoshi Igarashi, 44 years old, was an assistant professor of comparative culture who reportedly studied in Iran in the 1970's. The police said he was stabbed several times on Thursday night and left in the hallway outside his office at Tsukuba University.

It is the second time this month that someone involved with the production of the novel by Mr. Rushdie, the Indian-born author condemned to death by the Iranian authorities two years ago, has been assaulted. On July 3, Ettore Capriolo, 61, the Italian translator of "The Satanic Verses," was stabbed in his apartment in Milan. He survived the attack with what were described as superficial wounds.
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http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/04/18/specials/rushdie-translator.html

I'm not sure what your point is. And since you could have easily stated it rather than play coy games with us dumb boobs, I'm not sure that I give a rat's rectum. And like the other poster, I take due note that your personal page is blocked.

pnorman

[Boojatta]

8. What would you like to see on a Boojatta personal page?

Suppose I had been alive shortly before the Civil War. Suppose I had spoken out strongly against slavery.

I can imagine you asking me, "Have you ever owned a slave?"

No --> "Well then you cannot really empathize with those who do own slaves. Why don't you stay out of an issue that you are not personally involved in so that you don't get hurt? I'm non-violent, but we both know that some people who own slaves can get violent when they hear speeches about depriving them of their chattel property."

Yes --> "Well then you are a hypocrite. I don't care how well you treated your slave or slaves. I don't care whether or not you still own a slave. You had at least one slave. You probably took some time to come around to your current point of view. Now give everybody else some time. We cannot afford to disrupt the economy."

[pnorman]

9. Whatever you may feel relevant to describing yourself.

It's your privilege to remain mum. It's also other's privilege to take note of that, when almost all others here are a lot more forthcoming.

pnorman

[Boojatta]

10. My words are relevant. You have a star. You get to read more than just

my Journal. I encourage you to read ALL of my contributions to the message board. They're not all good, but they're all my words.

[Boojatta]

11. From a recent news story

Canada's security forces were given a loud, long round of applause Sunday after arresting a group of 17 people now facing terrorism-related charges. But the arrests of the men who are accused of plotting attacks in southern Ontario also sparked stern warnings from U.S. politicians and security officials (...)

Michigan Senator Carl Levin has kept his eye on those garbage trucks that roll down Highway 401 from Toronto and over the bridge into Michigan. The trucks aren't checked properly, he said.

Other U.S. officials see the possibility of al-Qaeda cells in Canada.

"Americans should be very concerned," said New York Rep. Peter King, chairman of the U.S. Homeland Security Committee. "Canada is our northern neighbour and there is a large al-Qaeda presence in Canada.

Source:
Canada gathers praise, criticism after arrests

[Boojatta]

12. Apparently fertilizer plays a role in this story

Source:
Sensational charges, lurid headlines in alleged Toronto terrorist plot. Author: Keith Jones, 8 June 2006

The synopses claim that the Toronto group, which comprised 17 people, almost all of them young men or boys, plotted to storm the Parliament buildings in Ottawa, take members of Parliament hostage, and demand the withdrawal of Canadian troops from Afghanistan. They further charge that the group targeted the Toronto Stock Exchange, power plants, the Toronto headquarters of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation building in Toronto for possible bombing or armed seizure. A defense lawyer has reported that one of the defendants, 25-year-old Steven Chand, is alleged to have said he wanted to behead Conservative Prime Minster Steven Harper.

It has been revealed that the CSIS and/or the RCMP have had at least some of the 17 under surveillance since 2004. According to an article in Wednesday’s Globe and Mail, “The arrests of 17 suspected Islamic extremists capped thousands of hours spent examining intercepted conversations and e-mails, long surveillance and stakeouts and countless conversations with informants.”

(...) if the scenario outlined by authorities is true, it would appear that the closest the alleged terrorists ever came to getting their hands on the materials needed to construct a large bomb was when they contracted to buy ammonium nitrate garden fertilizer from a police operative.

Particularly significant is the response of the New Democratic Party (NDP), nominally the “left” party within the Canadian political establishment, to the raid and the media fear-mongering surrounding it. No prominent representative of this party has adopted a critical attitude either to the substance of the charges, the methods employed by the RCMP and CSIS, the flouting of the defendants’ due process rights, or the manner in which the case is being exploited to shift the political climate in Canada in the direction of militarism and repression.

[Boojatta]

13. Should all terrorist acts be considered equally serious?

Alternatively, are some terrorist acts more serious than others?

If some should be considered more serious than others, then what criteria should be used to classify some as more serious and others as less serious?