Who's not done yet?

[WilliamPitt]

I see a lot of quitters on this board. A lot of noise.

I don't blame those who are sad, angry, disappointed, furious.

I piss on anyone who despairs, who quits the fight (no, I don't mean someone who quits the Dem party, so take a deep breath).

If you've quit, I piss on you. Yeah, I said it. Fuck you.

If you're still in it to win it, whatever your school, you are my friend.

Let's hear it for the bitter-enders.

The longer the struggle, the better the victory party.

You know it's coming.

It is. I promise.

[Swamp Rat]

1. I'm not.

:D

[applegrove]

2. You fight for the day - further away than you'd like - that the creeps

are put back where they belong. And the world is based on the values adults covet - as opposed to a superficial likeness.

And after that.. for the rest of your life.. you are a wise one. And a wiser world is a better no?

[mopaul]

3. I'm old and tired and crazy, but i'm still here

and if i don't make it, i know you will.

[WilliamPitt]

7. What's that old saying?

If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.

Indeed.

[KarenS]

4. I'm not quitting,,,,, but,,,, damn.

I need to take a deep breath and regroup.

I will never be silenced.
I will never comply.

My anger is comsuming me.

[Swamp Rat]

10. I hear ya!

I will never comply.

[lonestarnot]

61. Have a drink and come back swinging!

[tavalon]

5. I'm still here, Will

Tired and sick (strep throat. Yuck) and sick and tired, but I'm still here.

[EuroObserver]

6. Not me.

¿Is this still a question of mere domestic (non-native) US politics?

(ed: also taking deep breaths: 1, 2, 3...)

:hi:

[B Calm]

8. I am sticking around for SPITE! Vote the DINO's OUT!

[Journeyman]

9. A lot of summer soldiers and sunshine patriots, to be sure. . .

I've no use for 'em -- if ya won't fight then kindly get out of the way of those of us who will. That goes double for those who come here only to threaten to leave the country "because its just so hard these days." And worse, when they say their motivation is to spare their children from "Bush's war," their fear that their children may get swept into the military in some forthcoming draft -- as though removal to a distant land will isolate their child from harm, instead of only postponing what may happen if they don't stand for something today.

"If there's to be war," a Revolutionary Era hero once declared, "let it come in my time so my children might live in peace."


"Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated." ~Paine

[mopaul]

11. from Martin Luther King:

Well, I don't know what will happen now. We've got some difficult days ahead. But it doesn't matter with me now. Because I've been to the mountaintop. And I don't mind. Like anybody, I would like to live a long life. Longevity has its place. But I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed me to go up to the mountain. And I've looked over. And I've seen the promised land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the promised land. And I'm happy, tonight. I'm not worried about anything. I'm not fearing any man. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.

[dalloway]

23. Amen.

[Jeanette in FL]

12. I'll be here till the end

I am only 50 and I still have years of good fight in me. I have 3 grandchildren, and I will be damned to leave them in the mess we have now. Count on me.

[rman]

13. who'd benefit from us quiting?

just sayin'...

[freeplessinseattle]

14. I will not be a defeatist

just because it's not easy doesn't make it worthwhile, in fact it is more worthwhile.

[acmejack]

15. In the words of King George "Bring it On!"

I'll not leave!" I wouldn't in the sixties, I won't now.

[Missy M]

16. I will never quit the fight. I do see victory coming.

[Talismom]

17. I once called in and told Mike Malloy that I'm working toward the dream I

have of the day when the citizens of the US do like those of Italy once did to Mussolini, and hoist up the thugs and hang 'em by their feet! The picture of Rumsfeld swinging is sometimes just what I need to keep me going! No, seriously, I'm a peace-loving, hard-working cancer researcher and happily married mother of two. But the vicious, amoral nature of this crowd has me energized by my anger and tho' fearful, very ready to keep fighting.

[Dogmudgeon]

18. Santorum is up for re-election in my state

And Lynn "Jeebus is my Quarterback, and He's a Republican" Swann is running against Ed Rendell for Governor.

So things are just starting to get good.

Scorched earth and salt-sown fields all the way, baby!

--p!

[EuroObserver]

19. Chomsky: "as long as I'm ambulatory."

Chomsky -- who turned 77 last month -- vows not to slow down "as long as I'm ambulatory."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2368845

[mopaul]

20. so many times i wanted to just say, fuck it

but i pick myself up and get back in the race

[Flying Dream Blues]

77. Me too, MoPaul. You are one of my inspirations, btw.

Never give up. It's tempting at times, but I can't do it.

[AZBlue]

174. Me too! I was moving after Nov 2, 2004.

Through my grandfather I have the ability to have dual-citizenship. I was going to start the process and then move, taking my elderly mother and father with me.

Within a couple of weeks though I had changed my mind. I decided that I'm the one who supports democracy and believe the ideals upon which this country was founded. They don't. So, if anyone's moving, it should be them. Not me.

That was my worst moment of despair, but it made me fight even more strongly. So, in the end it was a good thing.

And we will win.

[Speed8098]

21. Confrontation is my friend

I REFUSE to let the right wing machine roll over me. In the words of a famous patriot:

"I have not yet begun to fight."

We WILL be victorious. How can we not? Our goal is righteous.

[H2O Man]

22. Just warming up .....

George Foreman tells about how, years ago, he was watching heavyweight champion Joe Frazier defend his title against Jerry Quarry. The two warriors had stood toe-to-toe for three rounds, exchanging shots that would have caused lesser men to quit. As Frazier walked back to his corner after that third round, he punched himself twice on the head, and did a little dance. Foreman said he knew then that Joe loved the contest, and that he didn't have "quit" in him.

In fact, when Joe came out for the 4th round, Jerry found out that the champion had been just warming up .....

[Pachamama]

118. Me too....Just getting started....

:hi:

I might still be cleaning up all the muck from the flood but I figure my next cleaning is the muck in Washington DC in the form of the corrupt GOP and Bush Administration....

No way am I a quitter....and, like Joe Frazier, I was also born on January 17th... :bounce: (And so was Ben Franklin!)

[H2O Man]

126. Joe was a tough man ....

and one of the great champions born in January.

[TomClash]

24. On the contrary

it is only just beginning.

[zippy890]

25. s'ok- let them go

not worth the energy getting worked up about quitters,(probably freepers anyway)

This fight is going to be long & very difficult, and it will not end when a democrat is elected president. It is a fight for the very basis of our constitution, of real freedom and justice in this country as well as the world.

Everything's at stake in this fight, for that reason and for my son and his children's future I'm in this struggle with everything and for ever long it takes.

and your right, it'll be one helluva victory party

[Cooley Hurd]

26. I padded out from the bedroom, rubbed my eyes, scratched my ass...

...logged onto DU - and this is the very first post I see.

It's an intellectual sweet roll to go with my angry cup o' joe.

Thanks, Will.:thumbsup:

K&R...

[MH1]

27. Still here, they're not getting rid of me that easily. n/t

[malaise]

28. Life is a struggle

I'm in this struggle to the grave.

[we can do it]

29. I Get Knocked Down But I Get Up Again - They're Never Gonna Keep Me Down

That's my theme song.

[stellanoir]

30. Quitting is not an option.

As honest Abe once quilled, so succinctly. . .

"The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country."

I rather presumptuously, further amend , . . . "and surely, our planet in it's entirety."

I've never felt as though the solution lies in a two party system. With single party control of three branches of government, the media, and the voting technology, it's well past time to resort to alternate approaches to regain all that we've lost in recent years IMHO.

Very simply there is far more that unites the vast majority than that which divides us. The primary concern of most is leaving the planet in far better shape than the one in which we incarnated. In recent years we've been failing miserably on that and oh so-o-o many counts.

So since having an entirely revelatory experience during the global peace meditation on October 29th, I've come up with "19 tricks or Weapons of Massive Reconstruction for Global Amelioration" that require scarcely much time or effort at all.

Eight of those tricks are posted here:

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=101&topic_id=3567

The other more recent "9 tricks" are posted here:

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=9964&mesg_id=9964

On that thread, there are four paragraphs in the middle which are quoted from a local neswspaper article which is not necessarily entirely pertinent, scrolled beneath which, is more of my recent writing.

For the other two tricks or receipt of more recent edits, PM me and I will respond.

This land once was respected globally as a land of great diversity, yet we've foolishly bought into the myth that there are only two points of view. This misnomer has only resulted in intractable dualism, rampant shouting matches, intolerance, the disenfranchisement of the vast majority, and benefits for the so called "who's who of the chosen few" exclusively.

Enough is enough. These tricks will work over time I swear.

Just to be topical here are the latest 2 paragraphs:

"As the echo chamber quibbles over midterm elections and potential impeachment or mere spurious censure. With partisan control of 80% of the voting machinery, my sparkled & feathered "angelic & cosmic sledgehammer" tells me that is more than likely a total long shot. We haven't time or resources to further fritter away for that much longer. We need these un-elected corrupt morons, & greedy selfish sadistic criminals to resign post haste. Consider demanding nothing less. I'll be watching for a while and then may just post plan C. You're all gonna love it : )

But here is a clue. . .when someone is continually lackadaisically incompetent and ignores rules long established, does one continue to keep that person in their employ. . .?

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=10426&mesg_id=10426

A greatly encouraging full page ad appeared in the much besmirched "Blue Lady" sponsored by the most "unpatriotic" ACLU over the past fortnight. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/29/05855/837

Have a nice day.

[awoke_in_2003]

31. No quitting here

I'm with you- you piss on them, I fart in their general direction :)

[Carni]

130. LOL! Now that's funny--

Thanks for one of the very few laughs I have had all day!

[Im with Rosey]

32. I hope we will hear the "call to arms"

in Al's speech on Monday. I'm in it for the long haul, but every now and then, I think we all need the proverbial I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!

[WilliamPitt]

34. I love your screen name

Well done.

[Im with Rosey]

55. Thanks

Rosey is my daughter, she is very outgoing and everyone knows her therefore, Im with Rosey. She *will* be famous someday and it will be her tag much like friends of Bill.

[WilliamPitt]

57. Cool

Got a nice double meaning, too:



:toast:

[Im with Rosey]

66. She is just as strong, too.

Mentally and physically. Back on topic, I am hopeful that Al's speech will light a fire. I have been anxious for a voice to take hold and resonate. Perhaps with Murtha on 60 Minutes tonight then Al on Monday, we will finally get some long overdue exposure. Here in our mostly repug area in SoCal we have 100-200 people participate in a monthly protest. There has been a significant change in the hootin' and hollerin' of passers-by. I am encouraged that even here we seem to be making a difference. The big challenge IMHO is to create a national sense of outrage and to find a national voice for that outrage.

[AZBlue]

175. That's fantastic!

Rosey's lucky to have a mom like you!!

[XanaDUer]

33. There is too much to do.

Not here. It is just getting interesting...

[babsbunny]

35. Oh yeah?

Fuck You Too! Wow, that was fun! I ain't giving up! I added another bumper sticker to my car, it says, "Save The Bill Of Rights" IMPEACHBUSH.ORG

[WilliamPitt]

36. "Hobby: obsessing"

I like your style. :)

[babsbunny]

37. When I wrote Obsessing as my hobby

I started obsessing about if I spelled it write. :9 I live in the heart of Republican Hell, Columbus, Ohio, and it may be dangerous to put an ImpeachBush bumper sticker, among all the other bumper stickers, but so far I have had only compliments, and oh yeah, one time I got a "thumbs down" as the guy in the pick-up truck went around me.

[WilliamPitt]

38. Shoulda shot his tires out

Speaking of bunnies:

http://www.angryalien.com/

Trust me. That's all bunnies. Seriously.

[helderheid]

91. I have this Wiretap bumber sticker and I am in Utah Suburbia

:)

:thumbsup:

[greiner3]

39. I will not quit! I have my doubts!

It is for my children that I get carried away on some of my posts. It is because of my illness that I sound dejected in others. I'd like to do more that I am. I fear that doing more would lead to my downfall again. So here I sit composing words that few will read and few, if any, will react to. For in the end all must play a part and maybe I'm rehearsing mine!

[WilliamPitt]

42. And my part

is deciphering the giant M and nectarine in your post.

:)

:hi:

[helderheid]

92. That's a peach, Will :)

[LiberalEsto]

40. You're right, Will

I'm not being sarcastic when I say that the situation reminds me of that scene in the despairing Delta House after everyone's been kicked out of school and the fraternity is ordered to be shut down. Remember when Bluto tried to revive the frat members?

Bluto: "Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"


It just occurred to me that even if Alito gets appointed, he can be impeached. Remember there was an effort to impeach Earl Warren?

If we can take back Congress, we can impeach freedom-hating justices, not to mention the Pesident.

[WilliamPitt]

41. "The Germans?"

Forget it, he's on a roll.

;)

[Blue Belle]

172. Bluto ends up being a Senator in the end...

:)

[NoPasaran]

43. Done? I have not yet begun to fight!

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

44. Thanks for the proverbial "shot in the arm", Will.

I ain't gonna give up just yet. The corporate media can do as much ass-kissing for the American version of the "Axis of Evil" as they want, but I'm beginning to think the wheels of the Republican Party are starting to fall off.

Another dumb cliche but I really do think the past 5 years have been like a marathon and we're at about mile 23 or 24. The finish line isn't quite in sight yet, but the worst part is over.

Abramoff, the death toll in Iraq, NSA spying and KKK Karl's still pending indictment in the Valerie Plame case added to the fact that most Americans have just received their fuel bills and credit card statements with upped finance charges will finally cause the "American sheeple" to finally begin to get how screwed over they have been by Bushco.

Enough ranting, I have to get ready to watch "Da Bears". Hopefully they'll pull this off against the Panthers. But if they don't I won't be too upset. Hell, back in September if someone had told me "Da Bears" would actually be in the position they are right now I would laughed my ass off.

BEAR DOWN, CHICAGO BEARS!!!!

:bounce: :bounce:

[PATRICK]

45. Did the Right give up on the GOP?

Count me in for the finish if for nor other reason there is no place to go and certainly no peaceful refuge in the world that will not be assaulted by the evils we left behind- in either party.

The RW was implacable but I am sure apoplectic over cloth coat corporate Repugs. So those left merging and schmoozing pragmatically into the party were left outmaneuvered by dynasty plutocrats in zealots' clothing and their goals suborned all for an apotheosis of the original corporate greed.

That means the angrier you are the more you have to stay in the process- or the pragmatists will find their progressivism DINOized for the sake of our power- which can scarily be dumped into the wrong hands because the masses really have nowhere else to go. Those also dedicated to fair elections and new parties
have to have more effect than the Pro-Life "wackos" as Abramoff called them.

You can see where reform is bouncing off the party wall and fear that like the GOP, this merging not purging may end up with the equivalent of the GOP/reformer sellouts. So in the fight for mere survival the sane must deal two battles simultaneously, one against a party establishment fatally flawed, and the other against the ascendancy of a Nazi GOP and all its attendant evils. Frustration and pressure I am sure takes the easiest most vulnerable target, but it would be mindless, worse than self-defeating, to let that natural flow, that moral indignation, to cause one hypocritically to aid the other side and the death of all hope.

Write your letters, get active, sink your teeth in, watch out for co-option or evasion, demand accountability, find better candidates for primary opposition and learn the politics better than those who have bungled the game on top. But always the target is fascism and the goal the numbers to get our country back- and then never look back. Those who persevere will have the habit of going forward to keep pushing the second battle. Or THEN looking to new parties.

Those already Green- who have probably started these rants many times in the past should look to the future of their party and see if even at its most cynical, this is not the best course TODAY to create a tomorrow.

And why are we purging OURSELVES voluntarily when all the destructive characters are in place, few having lost the jobs THEY themselves said should be taken away because of their failure? All the DINOS and HINOS(Humans in Name Only) rejoice in the ease of manipulating idealists. You can only impress by peristence. You only have a CHANCE of winning by peristence. And the leadership does not mean a damn compared to the integrity of each dedicated dedicated member.

The dynamism of flaming, quitting, purging chat rooms is a danger to the commitment absolutely needed to impress the establishment. Trolls help this along. If you have any emotional flare up, keep G.W.'s grinning face taped to your computer.

[annabanana]

133. thank you.

for cutting through clutter. There are other days for other fights..

[Autumn]

46. I won't quit

Fuck them. This is my country, and I be go to hell if they think they can take away my childrens and my granddaughters future.

[lonestarnot]

47. I'm in for the llllllllllllllloooooooooong ride William Pitt!

[astonamous]

48. I can't afford to quit... I have two sons

"Quitters never win and winners never quit". I don't want my boys to ever think that I would sacrifice their lives because I didn't try hard enough to protect them. I don't want them to face a future of war and I don't want them to live in fear.

Our lives (personally) were affected the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. No, we didn't know any of those that died that morning, but since that morning, my youngest son has never been the same. He lost his faith in the future and is struggling to this day to recharge it.

It's hard to keep focused on the goal, it often seems so far away with many obstacles in our path. Working together, sharing our strengths and our talents, holding each other up is the only way we can and will win this mighty battle. The more we believe we can make a difference, the bigger the difference we will make.

I often feel like we liberals are all running around in different directions screaming that the sky is falling instead of gathering together and deciding what to do next. We have to have a list of priorities, a place to start and it wouldn't hurt to have someone in charge of making sure we are all on the same page, guiding us all in the same direction. We have all the smartest and brightest people, and yet we don't seem to have any organization. We don't have a clear message...we have great commentary from great people with great ideas, but we need to narrow it down and focus our efforts. We need to put our "talking points" into the mouths of our politicians, or else we need to replace those politicians with ourselves.

Fuck big business...get them out of Washington! Fuck big brother...get them out of my life! Fuck those that can't take the heat of the battle...we will be victorious with or without you.

Trudy

[kpete]

49. Sometimes my optimism

gets in the way of my sanity

but, i go on...

[fishnfla]

50. I checked out after Katrina

I'm over and out, sorry.

[blue neen]

51. I'm not done.

"I started climbing upward taking one step at a time,
The higher I got the harder I climbed."

Great High Mountain by Jack White

[madokie]

52. Yes it is, the victory party will be big. This pig farmer is going down

but only if we continue to hold feets to fire. I keep digging my heals in more and more with each passing day.

[bpilgrim]

53. born to struggle

more...
http://GlobalFreePress.com

cradle-to-grave

peace

[Dunvegan]

54. Not. Done.

Not. Now.

Not. Evah.

[mikelewis]

56. Watersports aside - I'm stuck in it

So yeah, I'm stickin.

[w8liftinglady]

58. I'm just getting started...

If I can bring just one republican over to our side,and inspire all the democrats I know to get off their butts and vote,then I'll have done my part.I've dedicated the next year to getting informed and informing about the major issues confronting us.

[bloom]

59. ...

My husband is thinking about getting in a local race against someone who gets his inspiration from Rove - when it comes to campaigns and the whole 9 yards.

It really makes you think about what's important and what's it worth - to have a government run by people with integrity.

Honest politicians really are sticking their necks out for everyone. I encourage everyone to back them up - whatever the level.

[zanne]

60. Not done with WHAT?

The way this is posted is less than honest. NOBODY SAID THEY"RE QUITTING. Some people said that, if there's no filibuster, they're through with the Democratic party. Nobody said they're going to stop fighting. I am ready to quit the Democratic party, which has become was too complacent for my taste. I'll become an Progressive Independent and there's absolutely NOTHING WRONG with that. We want the same things you do; we just see different ways of attaining those goals. Calling us quitters sounds like so much Republican rhetoric. Name-calling is the trademark of the Republican Party. Reducing everything to its simplest form is another trademark. If you want to call people like me bitter-enders, go right ahead, but remember, we're going to work for change, which is more than I can say for many Dem leaders.

[AZBlue]

178. Will you not support them financially? Or at the polls? Or both?

I understand what you are saying and your frustration. But I'm curious what you mean by "ready to quit the Democratic party"?

[two gun sid]

62. I ain't gonna quit...

I'll keep working through my Union, my Party and my fellow progressives.

And, if I ever feel discouraged, I can always logon to DU and post "Bush is a Fuckstick". That always brightens my mood.

[kimpossible]

63. I'm still here

I'm too sad, angry, disappointed, and furious to go away. Not to mention bitter. But I don't understand "giving up" on this - unless you have a nice planet somewhere far away to retire to. Otherwise I think we're gonna need this one, so it's just not possible to give up on it.

[Arkham House]

64. Thanks--I needed that

I have never despaired, thank God--but there have been times when I've been tempted to despair. But somehow, it never quite happens. Maybe it's just that I'm cheerful by nature...maybe it's because I have a sentimental belief that Frank Capra's America isn't entirely dead, that our decent instincts are still there, dormant but ready to flower. Maybe because of guys like Will Pitt...anyway--thanks much for a bracing post. And I'm with you...

[Jose Diablo]

65. I'm not quitting, giving-up

"My horse gave-up though. I think the Army has him pulling a wagon up in Kansas."

[redwitch]

67. Resistance may be futile.

Resist anyway.



I am here for the duration.

[Tsiyu]

68. I'm in this until death

I did not bring children into this world only to see my beloved nation turned into a cesspool.

There is no choice but to stand and die for them. Most people fear death, or fear speaking out because they might get hurt.


Not me. I drive my anti-Bush-mobile anywhere and everywhere I want to, even when it's not always a pleasant experience. I say what I think no matter who is in the room.

No coward here. As I said, I will give my life for this nation.

[PDittie]

69. "Fight 'em 'til Hell freezes over, and then

FIGHT 'EM ON THE ICE."

[Donna Zen]

70. Calling Tom Paine!

What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.

Besides, what are my alternatives...to not fight? That is a sure way to lose. So fight I must, and part of that fight must include putting a stronger, better, and more committed team on the field. This is not the last out, but it is also not a "brand new ballgame." The team we have may be the team we got; but it is far from the team we need.

[Ladyhawk]

71. I'm not finished yet.

Sometimes fatigue from chronic illnesses gets the better of me, but dammit, I still managed to call and write my senators this week. I hope that counts for something.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

72. Till The Bitter End Will, And The Beautiful Beginning. I'm With You.

:toast:

And yes, I Piss On Them Too. This fight is far too important, and it transcends any person or their own wants in my opinion. We are fighting for much more than ourselves and for that can never give up.

Thank You.

[Nothing Without Hope]

73. I chose my username for a reason that continues to hold. Giving up

loses everything, including ourselves. Maintaining hope isn't easy at times, but letting it slip away has such consequences. One of the important functions of DU is to help us find a way to keep up our spirits, keep working for what we believe is right and against what is so clearly an evil that threatens the entire world.

I am sickened by posts that say "You're such idiots if you think it's worth fighting the inevitable. Give up." I also suspect the motives behind such posts are more deliberate and malignant than they pretend. Someone who had genuinely despaired would have little reason to post at DU.

[Blue_In_AK]

74. I'm in. n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

75. Bullshit. I quit. It's all over. The fat lady sang.

Just kidding. Got tired of all the me toos.

[tavalon]

182. Are you kidding?

This was a set up for the rah rah, me toos!

[ananda]

76. I'm here, I'll never vote Reep...

.. and I will still vote and stay active on behalf of liberal issues.

But I am pessimistic right now.

If Alito is filibustered, that will change.

Sue

[JeffR]

78. From Edna St. Vincent Millay:

Down, down, down into the darkness of the grave
Gently they go, the beautiful, the tender, the kind;
Quietly they go, the intelligent, the witty, the brave.
I know. But I do not approve. And I am not resigned.

- Dirge Without Music, 1928

[Laurab]

79. I'm not done yet...

giving up is not acceptable, this administration is NOT acceptable, what is happening to our country is NOT acceptable, and my hope is that people are waking up. Some never will, but there are a lot rousing from their sleep I think. I still believe good wins over evil EVERY TIME, although it may take time.

NGU

and I don't like being pissed on, either!

[wovenpaint]

80. I've seen my share of Vietnam era protests

Watched with horror, the murders of Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. and the Kent State protest, etc, etc. while watching Nixon's rise and fall.
I supported the failed (so far) bid for the ERA-was here for the passage of Roe vs. Wade.
I supported Eugene McCarthy in his bid for president, cast my first vote proudly for George McGovern in 1972, and rejoiced in the election of Jimmy Carter. Then I watched him be defeated by bush41.
I watched during the reagan years, the bush41 years, regained some hope during the Clinton years-then I watched Gore be defeated by a corrupt voting system and a biased Supreme Court.
These last five years with the worst of the worst have been the most discouraging because- during all this time, I raised a family.
I DID NOT raise them up to have them knocked down...I WILL keep fighting for all our children because I don't believe that any other mother brought their children up to be knocked down either.
I brought my daughter to the March for Women in April 2004 and I saw HOPE. There were over a million strong people-a lot of them young.
Men and women. This gives me hope for our future. Then came Cindy Sheehan-she gave me further hope. And I know that there's many, many more like her out here.

So in times like this, I cling to this quote from Mahatma Gandhi:

WHEN I DESPAIR, I REMEMBER THAT ALL THROUGH HISTORY THE WAYS OF TRUTH AND LOVE HAVE ALWAYS WON. THERE HAVE BEEN TYRANTS AND MURDERERS, AND FOR A TIME THEY CAN SEEM INVINCIBLE, BUT IN THE END THEY ALWAYS FALL. THINK OF IT-ALWAYS.

I'm in for life. *edited to get the quote exactly correct

[PuraVidaDreamin]

81. nicepost

NOT!

And you really aren't a nice guy either are you?

[tavalon]

183. Ooh,

wrong side of the bed, eh?

[mdmc]

82. give peace a chance

tyrants always fail...think about it...always...

Peace and low stress, Pitt...

[undeterred]

83. I'm undeterred

and I have to live up to that.

[bear425]

84. I'm holding you to that promise 'cause I'm not quitting this fight.

ever.

[Jade Fox]

85. We can't quit.

We can't do it to the rest of the world. Or ourselves.

[Emit]

86. Standin' my ground here...fighten' like hell

I'm not gonna' quit!

[bonito]

87. Here! kick & rec.

[Hissyspit]

88. I'm not going anywhere. And I hope Distressed American isn't either.

Nothing wrong with taking a break, though!

[omega minimo]

89. Ringing endorsement of macho "fuck you" "piss off" aggression

while the creative/brain drain at DU continues.............

Mr. Pitt, if you represent TruthOut and Progressive Democrats of America, would it help to bring some peace (and information?) over here and a little less aggression?

:thumbsup:

[MadLinguist]

201. Spread the Word, Not the Piss

I'm on the side you're on, Omega. All the pissing and spitting stuff that Mr TootOut spews just adds to the revulsion of the mix. But you can't take this guy seriously anyway. He just pissed this little pissy-fit because his last few bids for attention were dudly fizzles.

[helderheid]

90. You promise?

:hug: I'm still here.

[Imalittleteapot]

93. Still crazy after all these years.

And still here.

[bigtree]

94. they're just frustrated. everyone deals with adversity differently

some folks might need a little bucking up, a good kick, but there's always room for them to jump right back in when they feel strong again.

I'm so dense I'm loopy. Can't stop.

"NOW for a brisk and cheerful fight!"
Said Harman, big and droll,
As he coaxed his flint and steel for a light,
And puffed at his cold clay bowl;
"For we are a skulking lot," says he,
"Of land-thieves hereabout,
And these bold señors, two to one,
Have come to smoke us out."

-The Fight at the San Jacinto

[leftofthedial]

95. It is always darkest

just before it gets totally pitch fucking black.

Thanks for bucking us up, Will.

I ain't quitting.

I'll fight the corpo- theo- neofasicts until my dying breath.

[stepnw1f]

96. Snap Oughta It!!!!!!!!! Carry On.

:patriot:

[RBHam]

97. It's going to get even worse before it gets better...

Our grandchildren may have to finish the job.

Never surrender the truth.

[yknot]

98. I admit I've been pretty negative, but you're right; it's not over yet

So I'm in!

[enigmatic]

99. I'm not

I'll still work from up here as an expat w/ org's like Democrats Abroad as much as I did before. I'll never be done.

[stevedeshazer]

100. Discouraged, but by no means done. n/t

[ninkasi]

101. I can't quit

I just can't. I have an 18 month old great-granddaughter, who is surely one of the most enchanting child ever born. How could I give up, and abandon hope, when she, and all of the other children, and the poor, and the elderly, depend on us to help fight for them?

When I have time, I like to do a bit of genealogy research. A distant cousin sent me a family tree on my mother's side, and I see notes like this..."American Rev. Patriot with five sons in the Battle of Kings Mountain.Enlisted in the 4th Regiment on 14 Feb 1776, NA 853", and this " Margaret Carney Camp was a staunch rebel, and on that account was robbed often by the British and Tories. Their home was situated in the half way ground between the British and Revolutionary soldiers. " If those distant ancestors could stand up against King George, I can stand up against the would-be King.

All of us who will fight, are doing it for our country, and our hard won liberties. Bush and his cabal are the ones who "hate us for our freedoms", otherwise, they would not be fighting so hard to strip those freedoms from us. All of us, unless we are Native Americans, came to this country searching for something. I lament the fact that in that search, we did so much destruction to the ones who were already here.

We are here now, though, and we either fight for our right to exist as a free people, or we surrender everything we were raised to believe in to a power mad group of thieves. We are the Native Americans now, even if we only came to the United States a few years ago, looking for freedom and a better life, and are naturalized citizens. So yes, I'll stay, and I'll fight, because it's the only thing I know how to do.

[donheld]

102. I will not be quitting

What good would quitting do?

[kiteinthewind]

103. I'm a Newbie, and still learning, but I'm not going ANYWHERE!

I am ready to do whatever it takes!
MOSH!! :grr:

[Joanne98]

104. I'm still fighting. It's ironic how a non-president can appoint judges

If we could only find the person or persons who wrote the computer programs for the e-voting fraud. I'm still hoping for a whistle blower so we can demand that all of his judges step down. He's illegitimate and so are they. I'll never stop believing that. I don't care what the law says.

[yellowdogmi]

105. All in

I don't know who said this. I attribute it to Edward Abbey. But it is my mantra when times are tough.
"resist much, obey little". I don't know why that works for me but it does.

[bleever]

106. My motto is that when you feel like giving up, it's time to keep going.

Repeat as necessary.

[FogerRox]

139. yes I am a "bleever"

[nadinbrzezinski]

107. Not done yet

but will call the Demos to the wood shed...

[Viva_La_Revolution]

108. SO not done...

[Petreader]

109. I agree

Action matters. Words do not.

[Mutley]

110. Is it considered quitting if we bitch and moan a few times

and threaten to leave the party just to get it out of our system? But in the end we really don't leave?

[SPKrazy]

111. Thank You Will Pitt!

I can't stand the "I hate to say it but I'm leaving DU"

Stand and fight

[Maestro]

112. I'm still here deep in and amongst the * zombies here in Texas.

I'm not letting the bastards win!

[DanCa]

113. You'll have to pry the donkey's reigns from my cold dead fingers

Before I ever give up.

[ClayZ]

114. thinking green and voting blue.....call me turquoise.

[Ellipsis]

115. Not me.

I look forward to Gore's Speech on Monday.

[Hailtothechimp]

116. No where else to go. n/t

[AuntiBush]

117. Born Democrat, True & Blue - Never Will I be Done

Buckle-up. It's going to be a rough ride.

[Triana]

119. I won't quit till I'm DEAD - period...

...and after that, I hope I have the ability to come back and haunt the piss out of every mf-er who ruined this country - the current criminal cabal and all it's rich tentacles in particular.

[cry baby]

120. Never giving up.

I'm tired, but still trying.

[SmokingJacket]

121. I'm still here, Will.

I'll be fighting them till the end. No prob.

[hatrack]

122. You want despair, Will? Check out Environment/Energy some time.

I don't know how fucking many thousand articles I have posted there. Most sink without a ripple.

I'm not going anywhere.

[catmandu57]

123. Anger is a gift

Someone far wiser than I said that, can't recall who just now, some fellow named pitt I believe. no I'm not through yet, if I didn't stop in 2000, 2002, 2004, why in the hell am i going to stop now?

[mopinko]

124. i don't mind fighting the right. it's the part where i have to fight

my own party that gets me down.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2367394

[woofless]

125. Not done yet.

Not even close.

[LaraMN]

127. To be completely honest,

sometimes I wish I could "quit" when I'm angry and frustrated, overwhelmed and feeling powerless and ineffectual.

In more defeatist moments, I've tried to think outward; how many generations of my decendents and loved ones would I have to look beyond until there reached a point in the future of humanity where I both no longer existed, AND no one of consequence to me still lived, either? When would I consider it a time that the world could just "go to hell," and it wouldn't really matter, anymore?

I find though, that there is no such time, and I can't stop caring. I can't "quit." If I were to do so, it would be to the denial of the core being that I am, and my life would cease to possess much of the value that I presently ascribe to it.

Defeat is not an option, nor is surrender. I brought children into this world and I owe it to my descendents and to the rest of society to do my part to castrate our unjust leadership. I believe I am in this fight until my last breath, and that I've plenty of respiring to do, yet!

[Generic Other]

128. Gonna stay to the bitter end

Whining all the way, no doubt, but still there.

[Carni]

129. So what did I miss today? care to fill me in?

I have been ready to *quit* since November 2000 when that ass announced himself the *winner* on election night-- but as you can see so far I haven't actually done it.

Unless I win the powerball, or get offered something fabulous in a foreign country (you know like the title of *Princess or Queen*) it's a pretty good bet that I will be here bitching and fighting for the long haul.

But aside from that what's this post in reference to--the Alito situation?

[liberalnurse]

131. Definitely not ME!

Every breath I take, as I consume oxygen, I am thinking how I can contribute to a Democratic take-over in D.C. I start with my own state, Ohio. As a matter of fact, I'm working with my friend Stephanie Studebaker who is in the Primaries for U.S Senate, District #3. This week, Wednesday, I'm going to meet with the Ohio State Democrats and Howard Dean....See this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=172x10773

Additionally, I am partnering with a few other Ohio Nurses and we are starting a Nurse Democratic Caucus and PAC.

That is how dedicated I am!

:hi:

Who is with me???????

[Twist_U_Up]

132. mystery quote

"Victory always starts in the head. It's a state of mind. It then spreads with such radiance and such affirmations that destiny can do nothing but obey."

Never give up !!

[robertpaulsen]

134. Cunningham, Abramoff, Delay, Libby: APPETIZERS.

I'm still waiting to feast on the main course. I ain't done by damn sight, I'M GONNA GET MEDIEVAL ON THEIR ASSES!!!

[Raster]

135. I am sad, angry, disappointed and furious. But I've been that way for

a hella long time. I supposedly alienated many of my acquaintances in 1998, 1999 and 2000 when I rode my anti-bush* horse into every discussion I possibly could. I got very angry that I couldn't convince more people that bush* was NOT what American needed and was akin to our own national Antichrist. I brought up the potential stacking of the Supreme Court and the right-winging of the Judicial system, I harped on individual freedoms and why bush and his neocon posse was bad for the world. I said in 1999 to ANYONE who would listen that bush*, if elected, would invade Iraq and create the biggest cluster fuck in American history in the Middle East. I have been disappointed time after time when it appears that the will of the people has been subverted and EXTREMELY disappointed that the citizens of this country have allowed these assholes to take this as far as they have. And finally, I am furious that the country, its values and its people are being ransacked and pillaged for political and monetary gain.

Quit, fold up my tent and go home? No fucking way. I have only begun. Whatever it takes.

[Gregorian]

136. I.........NEVER..........QUIT

I get a new strategy. I am persistent. I have tenacity. I was the smallest kid in a high school of 1200. I know what it's like to be the underdog.

I quit cigarettes. I quit a game of sudoku tonight, and it felt horrible.

Quitting is something I don't do very well.

And George Bush made me a lot stronger.

I won't rest until the dreams that Martin Luther King had, come true.


I'm very unhappy with the Democratic party. But it's my party. And I'm staying.

[Burried News]

137. The tea is in the harbor and the Republic will be re-established.

[kineneb]

138. Cranky Californian

wishes to continue quietly monkeywrenching the system, in great tradition of cranky mom, grandfather, greatgrandfather, etc. Much of my time is taken up with caretaking for Hubby, but I will continue to do my cranky best.

Hand me that wrench...:evilgrin:

[FogerRox]

143. my Dad served on an Air Craft Carrier in the Pacific WW2

he & about 12 million friends went out and did what they had to do.

(Rog pushes everyone aside)

NOW, its my turn

(Rog runs across the room, searching)

Im gonna get that fucker

(Rog jumps on top of his BUSH rag doll)

BAM BAM BAM BAM

I live for this shit, man

[tavalon]

186. BTW

I have that bumpersticker on my car, along with Impeach Bush and about a half dozen others that are equally demur.

[ohtransplant]

140. Urinating on those who quit.... As we speak (post)

BTW there are some great quotes in this thread to buck us up as needed.

Here they are in one place. I hope no one minds.

As honest Abe once quilled, so succinctly. . .
"The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country."


"I started climbing upward taking one step at a time,
The higher I got the harder I climbed."
Great High Mountain by Jack White


What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated
Thomas Paine


Mahatma Gandhi:
WHEN I DESPAIR, I REMEMBER THAT ALL THROUGH HISTORY THE WAYS OF TRUTH AND LOVE HAVE ALWAYS WON. THERE HAVE BEEN TYRANTS AND MURDERERS, AND FOR A TIME THEY CAN SEEM INVINCIBLE, BUT IN THE END THEY ALWAYS FALL. THINK OF IT-ALWAYS.



"Victory always starts in the head. It's a state of mind. It then spreads with such radiance and such affirmations that destiny can do nothing but obey." anon


added by me
Never give up. Never never give up...Churchill

[Mr Rabble]

141. I am with ALL of you. Not going anywhere.

I will most likely get much, much worse before it gets better.

Smoke if you got 'em.

[bikebloke]

142. That's what the fascists want.

For folk to throw in the towel, sit in front of the telly, and stuff their gobs with cheetos.

Nej.

[Warren DeMontague]

144. Done? I've barely just gotten started.

Count me in - for the whole haul.

[libnnc]

145. Not this mountain girl.

The BFEE and their enablers can just fucking suck it!

Come and goddamn get me.

[WLKjr]

146. Never Give Up, Never Surrender!

No way in hell, I fight to the bitter end.

[proud patriot]

147. Not I

I'm nowhere near done

[Czolgosz]

148. K & R -- I'm not done; I'm just getting warmed up!

[ismnotwasm]

149. I'm not made that way

Why would I quit NOW? With visable targets? Goal directed visions?
I'm taking back my own. I'm a liberal, I'm a feminist, I'm anti-war and my heart proudly bleeds for the underprivleged and underserved. I think I'll even hug a goddam tree. I got obnoxious tee shirts. I talk to young people-- my passion suprises some of them. I refuse to take down my "No Iraq War out of my window. I won't shut up. I'll be charming and polite when it works, and assertive or aggressive when I have to be.

They can't stop me. And I won't quit.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

150. Never give up.

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." -- Gandhi

[Bushwick Bill]

151. I don't know if I should be encouraged

or frightened that Will Pitt is beginning to sound like Bluto from Animal House.

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"



http://161.58.5.90/animal/germans.wav

[WilliamPitt]

156. Both

We're doomed. Woo!!!

:)

[nolabels]

152. Six years, twelve years, twenty years? what is quiting anyway?

Like I got out of military in the early eighties and supported the Raygun ousting Carter unwittingly. After I found out how much the corporations lied to American people just get that creep in I came to the revelation the road is long and difficult journey. The information we could get a hold of about these global crooks called corporations in the early eighties was obscure and hard to put together. Now all of that information about many of these Multinationals evil ways is out there for everybody and is being used in all kinds of ways to stop them.

There is no quiting because the whole planet is involved in one way or another but there are them times when everything looks bleak, this might be one those times, but persevere. Them times you wake up and find you have been living in a lie are difficult but they will happen eventually for everyone

[HuskerDU]

153. I can't quite put my finger on exactly what I am trying to say, but

perhaps some of you will understand. What I have always found the most inspiring, is being a bitter-ender. For instance, many of my favorite quotes deal with this subject.

Churchill's 'It shall go on to the end. We shall fight in the.... We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be... We shall NEVER SURRENDER!'

From the movie Excalibur 'We shall find the Cup or die.'

From the band the Minutemen 'NO HOPE?!? See, that's what gives me guts.'

From I believe Shakespeare's Richard the III? The St. Crispin's day speach. (paraphrase) 'Any man will not consider himself a man he who was not with us upon St. Cripin's day.'

Even from Animal House- Belushi's 'Did you say over?' rally cry.

Plus I'm a frickin' Cub fan. Yeah, I'll be seeing this thing through to the end.


edit for spelling

[Dr Fate]

154. If DEMS filibuster, then there is no need for any of this kind of talk.

Then everyone stands up and cheers. The base becomes more energized & unified than ever.

I hope the DEMS make the right choice.

[KitchenWitch]

155. I am in the fight for the long haul!

although my contributions may be small.

[opihimoimoi]

157. Me too...On the DU since summer of 01

Come, we go Make Luau, hula girls, Hawaiian Music, Onolicious food....on the Beach,,,sand in the toes time....

[KitchenWitch]

158. Sounds good

Is roast pig part of the deal? I lurves me a good pig roast!

[tavalon]

187. It's not the size of your contribution that matters

it's what you do with it. ;)

[StaggerLee]

159. My Grandfather on my mother's side

Didn't emigrate to this country for shits and giggles. He did it because he knew that his children and his children's children would find a better life here.

And my great uncle on my father's side didn't serve in WW2 and suffer ptsd and watch his friends die just to let some home grown fascists take over.

I know that every one of us on DU has a story about dreams and sacrifice, personal and otherwise, for our ideal of the American way.

This country has strayed big time.

Hell no I'm not done. Not by a long shot baby.

[MrSlayer]

160. In the immortal words of Winston Churchill "We Shall NEVER Surrender!"

I'm still in.

[Skittles]

161. you know I'd never quit, William

NEVER

[NMMNG]

162. Quit? Hell no.

That's what they want. They think that by heaping more and more BS on us they can get us to quit, one by one or en masse. Well for me it isn't going to work. They can go screw themselves with splintered balsa wood for all I care. :evilgrin:

[TacticalPeek]

163. Optimism of the Will.

“Pessimism of the spirit; optimism of the will.”
- Antonio Gramsci


:patriot:

[Crunchy Frog]

164. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

D-Day (Bruce McGill): War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.

Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

Otter (Tim Matheson): whispering Germans?

Boon (Peter Riegert): Forget it, he's rolling.

Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough... thinks hard the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go! runs out, alone; then returns What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer -

Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.

Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.

D-Day: Let's do it.

Bluto: LET'S DO IT!!

Just a little inspirational reading from Animal House.:-)

[Hardrada]

165. I had a great time in 1968! I think 2006 will be even more

exciting. Of course my perspective is that of anarchism and revolution and the more damage that can be done to the system and the elitist structure of our fascist society the better. I was upset when all the activists dispersed. When we unite in actions, then we can get the RW bastards on the run for a change. Avanti!!

[Hekate]

166. "A patriot is one who wrestles for the soul of her country as...

...she wrestles for her own being." Adrienne Rich

This so aptly describes the way I feel my nation's soul is in peril that I put that quote on the front of my Day-Timer exactly three years ago and have kept it there ever since.

I hate the evil that has befallen my country -- it both frightens and enrages me. For too long I've felt burned out and depressed.

But in times of despair I keep coming back to this thought: If we Americans don't clean up this hideous mess, who do we think will? This is our job to do, no one else's.

Here we stand. We can do no other.

Hekate

[rucky]

167. Done with political activism to focus on social action.

We don't need to depend on the government to change policy in order to start changing the world/country/my neighborhood.

so piss on me if you want, I'm too busy to notice.

[tavalon]

188. If you have gone to work for social action

then you are on the team. Social action and politics are only separated by the fools who think they run this country.

[lapislzi]

168. You'd better be right about the victory party

I went out and bought me a dress.

Once more, into the breach.

[DinahMoeHum]

169. Still here. Still kicking.

:kick::kick::kick:

King George Sucks

:patriot::patriot::patriot:

[johnaries]

170. I'm still here. And I'm glad many here have been re-energized by

today's speech by the President who was Elected and not Selected.

[Blue Belle]

171. I'm in it for the long haul...

I'm digging in my heels and I'm fighting.
And though I may get discouraged when I see the corporate news bootlicking the GOP, or when I see Democrats who walk the walk, get spit on for talking the talk, It just makes me want to defeat these pricks all the more.
I can't give in or surrender... I can't give up the fight.
I'm not going to stop until I get my country back.

[haydukelives]

173. I am with you Mr. Pitt

for the long haul

[Warren DeMontague]

176. This guy's not done, Will:

[LSK]

177. not me thats for damn sure!

[Orsino]

179. We will all have to flee, eventually.

Some of us will be helping to build better nations elsewhere, though--ones that will welcome refugees.

I know what's coming, and I know that I have a responsibility to my loved ones. While I would love to believe that democracy will win, I no longer believe that it will happen without bloodshed. I plan to be elsewhere.

I do despair, but I wish you well. I will applaud your successes, and will mourn your failures.

[anitar1]

180. Wow, are you full of yourself, Pitt. Why would I want you for a friend?

Maybe you can impress some younger ones , but not this old lady.I am no quitter, but it is not due to you.I think for myself, not some self imflated ego.

[Speed8098]

197. I don't normally do this but.....................

What is your problem??

Mr. Pitt has been a tireless activist for our cause.

I don't always agree with everything he says, but your total disrespect for a man who only wants to motivate is apalling. In my opinion, you are way out of line.

And it's an iNflated, not iMflated.

FYI, I'm 49 years old and I'm happy that people like Mr.Pitt exist.

[AZBlue]

181. I've only just started.

I'm getting my own website even - they haven't seen anything from me yet.

[Iris]

184. I quit when I'm dead.

Otherwise, I refuse to believe this is the best humanity can do.

[ScreamingMeemie]

185. Not. At. All. Ever.

And I'm holding you to that promise and if it doesn't come within the scheduled time frame that I have deemed as the correct time frame...I'm going to post nasty stuff about you all over the internets....and here. /sarcasm :hi:

[dweller]

189. quit? hell no, i can't quit

i live here.

dp, aka: the dweller

[Cell Whitman]

190. Not quitting just running out of time

If you read any of my posts you know what I KNOW caused us to go down this path.

There has been ONLY one major change to the mix of political players in our nation in the last thirty years and surprise surprise...that person's vision for America is what is now coming to fruition and the nation is blind to it. There is only one who tipped the balance of our fragile democracy, one.

I am talking about the one who says he is the messiah, the one who says his job as messiah was to raise up the "Christian" right for political power to "restore" America and HE DID IT!!!

The man said he was going to do it and he spent BILLIONS of dollars he swindled from the Japanese and created the front groups to make it happen and liberals can't find the issue. Sure he smudged some dems along the way but you will not find anything liberal he has ever backed. He is the grand theocrat and a fascist. The conservatives literally used him to tear down the wall between church and state when they used him to promote Bush's Faith Based Vote Buying Scheme.

I am talking about this guy you can learn about here:

NO IT AIN"T A GD SOUNDBITE TO LEARN. You have to read to know enough to add to the debate. Just posting about that GD crowning doesn't get it.

http://cellwhitman.blogspot.com

http://www.mediachannel.org/originals/moontranscript.shtml

http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5684&abbr=cs_

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/15/221015/62

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/2/224046/295

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1693693&mesg_id=1693693

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1693693

Then look on your own...
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My point here is that while we are getting all riled up to stay in the hunt - he has moved onto the planet gigging part of his goal and NO ONE will stop him because NO ONE wants to admit he fucked our nation and HE WILL do the same to the planet.

The nation, the world is blind.

So, no I am not quitting but you ought to know that for the last five years I have been watching most of you, and most of you still don't have any goddamn idea what is going down and you won't till you look.

How many articles have you written on him William? How much have you done to make people aware? If not, is that because you aren't aware? Is it a subject too icky to get into, do you not believe what I am saying? If you don't you will continue, like the whole nation, to piss in the wind.

Gorenfeld says he is in kind of in retirement. GONE are the days when everyone can sit back and wait for him to tell you what is gong on. Fuck he has told you and what? Not a GD thing. Robert Parry is no longer investigating him. I try to keep him up to date. Me! A gd binge drinker with google and no writing talent. Hell Bartcop at a 64 is the only one I know with a lower IQ than me, I come in around 67.

I started a thread here a while back trying to get people to work toward getting Parry on TV and all I got was someone asking if he looked good enough or could fucking talk. The thread sunk like a GD rock. Biblical sized blindness.

Let me put it this way. I have a little project I expect to get off the ground soon. After that my time is out. I will do what I can with the time I can find but it won't be much. You want us to stay in the game but you don't even know where the GD field is.

Now a message for all of you.

If you do NOT expose(and the only way is to read and learn first) if you do not work to expose WHY this has happened to our nation then you are PISSING IN THE WIND. YOU ARE WASTING YOUR GD TIME. This is not new for me to say this. I started a few years ago when I would say we were going to become an americanized theocracy even liberals laughed at me. Now at least you see that much but still not the origin, the reason why.

And I don't mean expose by trying make like Gannon/Guckert was one of the kids in the WT article about the child prostitution ring at the WH. What GD waste of fucking waste of time. This is bigger than a fucking prostitution ring, it's your democracy, it's the world's future.

You can save America but while you are trying to figure out what happened and figure out how to turn us around, benevolent as it is, it will be tooo late for he will be finishing gigging the planet.

Laugh at me as you have laughed him.

I have seen video of one of his aids saying they met Reagan during the '80 campaign and Reagan asked for the conservtaive's messiah's "support" and "prayers". Did you get that? That was the momnet in Toledo when our nation entered this death spiral. Then he was VIP guest at the Reagan Bush inaugural in 81. In 1979 a survey showed that Charles Manson was the only person disliked more than the conservative's messiah and the GD democrats don't see an issue. They sat back and watched as he created the voice of the conservative movement so he could lead the Christians out of 40 years in the liberal wilderness and onto his theofascist vision. He has been VERY successful. Don't know what that voice of the right he created is? Google "America's Newspaper". He BRAGS about using it to influence our nation. He isn't even a citizen.

So get all fired up, but nothing has shown me any great number of you understand what you are facing. You haven't for years. Lying about wars, treason, stolen elections. ha ha. You aren't looking at the root, the seed out of which it all has flowed. Sure there were others that helped but he is the one with the billions in swindled cash, he is the straw that stirs the theofascist drink. Without him someone like a BUSH IS NOT PRESIDENT!!!

The conservative's Saviour had a fork in our nation by 1993. How's that for a reality check. Gingrich revolution? Bullshit, the conservative's saviour paid for it, molded it and none of you see it...yet. There is a reason he didn't "officially" declare he was the messiah until 1993. He knew then he had the second Isreal(America or more specifically 'American Christianity') on the path he set for her.

This my friends is NOT a fucking joke. http://www.cellwhitman.blogspot.com/

"Yet, Moon also made clear that his longer-range goal was the destruction of the U.S. Constitution and America's democratic form of government. "History will make the position of Reverend Moon clear, and his enemies, the American population and government will bow down to him." Moon said, speaking of himself in the third person. "That is Father's tactic, the natural subjugation of the American government and population."

[DanCa]

191. I am a street fighter baby.

I'll take four punches just to get one good one in. Soak up the damage and hit em with my soup bone left hand. This is a gutter war. I only want people in the party who'll stand shoulder to shoulder with me.

[StellaBlue]

192. Liberty. Or. Death.

[ragin_acadian]

193. bitter-ender here,

things are looking much better after Gore tonight. Anyone else have that glow?

A little sunny in South America.

Our Northern neighbors might need a little help, though.

[Spider Jerusalem]

194. In the words of Winston Churchill:

'Never give in, never, never, never, never—in nothing, great or small, large or petty—never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.'

Did the Spartans quit, when faced with the overwhelming might of the Persians at Thermopylae?

Did the defenders of the Alamo give up, when besieged by Santa Anna's army?

Did the 24th Warwickshire surrender in the face of the Zulus at Rorke's Drift?

Did the British collapse after the debacle at Dunkirk, when the Luftwaffe darkened their skies?

Did the 101st Airborne throw in the towel at Bastogne?

Hell, no.

And I won't, either. I don't know HOW to quit. Adversity only serves to make me more determined.

[DemoTex]

195. I've looked down the barrels of the big guns these MoFos avoided.

Bu$h and his regime are, literally, the last group in the world I would ever give up fighting. Besides, quitters, Bu$h is the quintessential quitter. I damn sure wouldn't want to be painted with the same brush as that insipid, petulant loser. Would you? Mr. Pitt, I cast my lot with those that stay the fight.

[DemExpat]

196. Still here.....

sometimes feel battered and disheartened, but never inclined to give up and quit.

:kick:

DemEx

[Cell Whitman]

198. Hell-o is anyone out there?

I get the feeling all we do is talk past each other. Sorry for the foul language in my previous post but I have tried just saying these things and people don't get it.
MY likely unread post above: Too long, eh?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=143416&mesg_id=160763

If you look, and I don't mean read a couple articles on the crowning, you will begin to see it. Moon doesn't NEED a child prostitute to manipulate the nation. He was once asked if he was Korean CIA and he replied that he wasn't that small. He meant it. He doesn't need a billion members, he uses others.

Speaking of the crowning, the way he CONNED some reps into being there(READ: Mark Dayton) was by telling them his front was giving one of their constituents an award. When Dayton showed up, they get he and his constituent on the stage, slap a couple moonies on either side of him and take his picture. Now the "liberals" can't say much cause "they both did it"... Dayton left long before the crowning, the moonies even admit he was more or less conned....there is so much more to the story...

But the "award" do you know what it is, what it means? They are called Moon's "Ambassadors for Peace"...he now has over 50,000 of them. Do you understand what that means? That means MOON has that many people, not wild eyed cultees, but activists from all over the planet and they are all ready to push ANYTHING he flowers over and directs them to. They have no fucking idea what they doing. Moon does.

Do you understand? Moon drove our nation, bit by bit, slow and steady, right and theocratic and he did it with just a handful of members and a few billion bucks. Now what do you think he will do to the planet with 50,000 activist types at his call? He's before the UN with his theocratization proposal for that body now.

Laugh if you will. Some say the UN is laughing at him, people have laughed at him for decades but it doesn't stop him.

I am guessing maybe three people read two lines of my post above but for those that may have I would like to suggest another place to start to get real feel for how he operates. How extensive his web is and this is from 30 years ago, he was just starting.

Steve Hassan now has a different format for the 1978 congressional investigation of Moon and Korean influence on our nation, known as the "Fraser Report." If you haven't read it you don't know jack. This is only a bit of what he had done by 1978, do you understand?

http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/m/moonies/fraser-report/index.html

Here are his front groups. There are other lists on the net but they are 25 years old. What do you see when you look here:
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/m/moonies/front_groups.htm

One of Moon's priests burying the cross at Moon's direction UNDER the Unification "Church" flag in Isreal.



As Moon's x-daughter in law put it.

http://www.time.com/time/community/transcripts/chattr101398.html

Timehost: You single out former Pres. George Bush and his wife for criticism in being willing to appear at Moon-sponsored functions, knowing full well where the money is coming from... why do you think they do it, and do you know if they've read your book?

Nansook Hong: I don't know whether they read the book. Why do I think they do it? I don't know. I read that Bush said that as long as Moon promotes family values, Bush will promote him. Timeguest: But Moon uses idealism to get to people -- and he doesn't practice what he preaches. Moon uses -- and pays -- lots of famous people -- Bush is one example. Jack Kemp and Barbara Walters are others. He does it to gain credibility. And I think that Bush has been helping Moon to achieve his goal.

Here is Bar and 41 greeting Mrs. Messiah backstage at the Tokyodome during 41's shilling trip for Moon. A former President helping Moon gig more souls and con more people in Japan and around the world.




BTW, there is one big part of this story which the democrats are responsible for...after Fraser did all the work in his report, since he didn't have the authority to charge anyone, he had to depend on the justice department and other government agencies to take what he found and complete that task. He even said we didn't need any new laws, the ones we had were fine.

Well, let me let Robert Boettcher explain what the biggest crime of liberals is in this whole sad story...remember when Clinton took office and didn't pursue the lawbreaking in the Reagan-Bush WH? Well, Carter may not have been able to see what Moon was doing but he dropped the ball also...

Below is an excerpt from Robert B. Boettcher's -
Gifts of Deceit - Sun Myung Moon, Tongsun Park and the Korean Scandal. (1980)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0030445760/qid%3D978915705/102-8084025-1605754

There is a Moonie explanation for everything.

Lying. One of the central tenets of the faith is the doctrine of Heavenly Deception. Good must deceive evil. The non-Moon world is evil. It must be lied to so it can help Moon take over. Then it can become good under Moon's control. In the Bible, Jacob lied to Isaac. God rewarded Jacob by making him the father of the nation of Israel. Closer to home, you lie to your children about Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny, don't you?
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The non-Moon world, being of Satan, lives under the laws of Cain. Constantly, they get in Moon's way. One law however is very useful. It makes it possible to try to get around all the others. The First Amendment to the constitution guarantees freedom of religion. As long as Moon says everything the cult does is religious, he can claim the protection of the First Amendment.

The advantages of using the first Amendment were seen early. Before Moon moved to the United States in 1971, he and his small band of followers realized the operation would have the most flexibility if it was called a church. Businesses, political activities, and tax exempt status could be protected. Moon was dubbed "Reverend" in 1969. In 1970 the name "United Family" was changed to "Unification Church." Organization and goals stayed the same. Only the name was changed, for its "effect on the institutions of society." A cult publication explained, "The name implies respectability and stability."

Since Moon's invasion of America began, he has marched steadily behind the First Amendment shield. Calling himself "Reverend" and his operation a church early enough, Moon put the burden of proof on the non-Moon world. His beliefs are fully protected by the First Amendment. He insists his actions are, too. His beliefs cover everything. No matter what the cult does, therefore, it is claimed to be an exercise of religious belief.

In the non-Moon world, Fraser conducts an investigation. He wants to find out if the Moon organization's political and business activities are part of the Korean influence campaign. At first, he has only allegations that the Moonies acted as unregistered agents of a foreign intelligence service, the KCIA. The Moonies can believe in God as they choose, but they ought not violate the law in the process, he thinks. He is amazed at what he finds: evidence that the Moon organization has violated laws on banking, immigration, taxes, currency control, charity fraud, arms export control, and foreign agents registration.

To the moonies, everything Fraser did from start to finish violated their freedom of religion. Since they claim everything they do is religious, Fraser had no right to question what they do. The cult's published comment on the Fraser Report says it well: "Its objections to the activities of the followers of Rev. Moon are fundamentally objections to their religious beliefs."

Moon apparently thinks his "religious beliefs" are special license to break laws. The new Messiah is above the laws of Cain. Whatever contempt Moon has for the for the laws of the United States, he sees fit to hide behind the First Amendment to the Constitution.

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The Fraser Report recommended a federal task force to investigate the Moon organization for lawbreaking. Evidence of systematic violation of laws appears in the report. But a subcommittee of Congress is neither a law enforcement agency nor a court. It can only investigate and legislate. The Fraser Subcommittee did not recommend making any new laws to deal with the Moonies in the areas investigated. It found evidence that the Moon organizations had violated existing laws. What the subcommittee called for was for law enforcement and regulatory agencies to do their jobs, specifically the Department of Justice (including the FBI, the Antitrust Division, and the Immigration and Naturalization Service), the Treasury Department, the Security and Exchange Commission, the Federal Reserve Board, and the Internal Revenue Service.

Past attempts at investigating Moon activities by each of those agencies alone had been piecemeal, inconclusive, and without the benefit of pooled information. That worked to Moon's advantage every time. It is one of the pitfalls of the Washington bureaucracy. That was why the Fraser Subcommittee recommended a coordinated effort by an interagency task force.

After the Fraser Report and the Guyana tragedy, there was still no indication that any such investigation would begin.

The American system is ill-equipped to deal with Moon. He knows this and benefits from it. He can break some laws and use others for protection. By perverting freedom of religion, he can keep thousands in brainwashed captivity while he intimidates and manipulates the non-moon world. He hurls lawsuits at those who offend him, whether parents of cult members or The New York Times. He has Nobel laureates feeding his ego and prestige by attending his conferences. He has high-principled civil libertarians and churchmen rallying to his defense.

Moon also has held the Department of Justice cautiously at bay for years. In 1976, Undersecretary of State Habib had asked for an investigation of the Moonies under the Foreign Agents Registrations Act. Justice refused to even look, because the Moonies called themselves a church.

It was still hands off in 1977. On July 29, Assistant Attorney General Civiletti, in a letter to a Congressman, wrote, "It has been our experience that members of these religious sects are apparently competent, consenting adults." He decided to do nothing because to take brainwashing seriously "would seem to require finding that the members' religious beliefs were false." The United States government believed brainwashing was real enough in the Korean War. Apparently that was different because Communists were doing it to American soldiers. When Moon does it the name of God he gets away with it.

Attorney General Griffin Bell added confusion to his departments caution. After the deaths in Guyana, he said, "I don't know what a cult is. I'm a Baptist. Maybe that makes me a member of a cult." Two months later, on February 2, 1979, he said he believed Patty Hearst had been brainwashed.

An open society must let totalitarians have their say. If the Nazis are allowed to march down the street, and the Communists can publish their Daily World, then Moon has the right to tell people God wants him to take over the world. Likewise, others are entitled to criticize what he says. Not so, says Moon.

Hundreds from his cult were shipped to Washington to protest Senator Dole's information meeting on the cult phenomenon. Outside the Senate Office Building, they waved signs proclaiming "Senator Dole, this is a witch hunt." Inside, Neil Salonen took the stand and told Senators and Congressman what the Moonies thought about the meeting.

"This very proceeding itself violates the spirit of the First Amendment and violates the rights of believers which the First Amendment was designed to protect. It will have a chilling effect on the free exercise of those beliefs."

George Swope, a Baptist minister, gave a different view of congressional inquiry into church activities:

"Members of the congress I tell you frankly, if you receive hundreds of accusing letters from parents of young adults who have joined the Baptist denomination, and if you receive hundreds of statements from young adults who have left the Baptists alleging mind control, the potential for suicide and murder, illegal immigration and financial practices, and other destructive physical and psychological activities, I feel it would be your duty to establish a task force to investigate those allegations against my own denomination."

the world has no clue, none.



http://www.cellwhitman.blogspot.com/

[Cell Whitman]

203. Mainstreaming the old devil

If three years ago people had talked about Moon - then Danny Davis would NOT have been found carrying Mrs. Messiah's crown. If people had talked about Moon three years ago, today he wouldn't have 50,000 "Ambassadors for Peace" at his beckoned call to manipulate the UN and nations around the world. The more the story is ignored the further the old devil's hooks embed into our nation and the planet.

Why can't people see this?

Do they think this is a joke?

I am sure everyone will laugh and laugh at this below. I am sure since she likely won't come off as a raving lunatic, folks will think 'those moonies have turned a new leaf, they ain't so bad, no wonder Reagan worked with them to drive our nation right and theocratic.' They will think like they do about their good old Uncle Ernie the "conservative" who isn't a fire breathing theocratic fascist so they think today's conservtaism has some redeeming value - which it doesn't.

I wonder if WB will mention that her old man made billions swindling the Japanese, TARGETING widows, and from other nefarious sources.

Read down.

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TV press tour: WB seeks boost from new shows
Network says '7th Heaven' is too expensive to keep
10:52 AM CST on Tuesday, January 17, 2006

By ED BARK / The Dallas Morning News

PASADENA, Calif. - A second reality series from Beauty and the Geek
creator Ashton Kutcher and new comedy series starring Nick Lachey and
Ellen DeGeneres are part of the WB's latest rebuilding phase.

At the same time, WB will be retiring its long-running 7th Heaven
series after this season because its continued popularity isn't enough
to offset the high costs of keeping it on the air.

"The show will lose $16 million this year," WB chairman Garth Ancier
told TV critics Monday.

Escalating cast salaries and poor ratings for 7th Heaven repeats have
made it economically impossible to continue, Mr. Ancier said. "As much
as we all love the show, you do have to run a business."

WB has fallen a bit behind principal rival UPN this season in their
battle to attract 18- to 34-year-old viewers. But entertainment
president David Janollari said the network has newfound momentum from
last Thursday's second-season premiere of Beauty and the Geek, which
drew 5 million viewers and was especially popular among young males.

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WB also is developing an Aquaman series starring newcomer Will Toale.
It has nothing to do with last season's principal storyline on HBO's
Entourage.

Another new WB reality series, Survival of the Richest, mixes seven "of
society's most disadvantaged" with a like number of spoiled rotten
layabouts born "into incredible wealth." One of them is the Rev. Sun
Myung Moon's daughter.

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One reason Why TV won't cover Moon can be found here:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/15/221015/62

What Neil Bush was helping Moon promote - no it wasn't a tunnel.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/2/224046/295

[myrna minx]

199. My Senator, Paul Wellstone said: Stand Up Keep Fighting!!!

Never give up. Never give up hope.

[Greylyn58]

200. In the words of Thomas Jefferson:

"A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles. It is true that in the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public debt. If the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at stake."

--Thomas Jefferson

I won't stop till we have won back our country from the people who want to destroy it and everything that made it great.

[Strawman]

202. Giving up is a stupid alternative

Even if the good fight seems absurd. Even the faint risk of success is enough for me. Doing one's part in order to not be personally complicit with what is wrong by passivity should be enough for anyone.

I have been down lately when it comes to politics. I have placed too much faith in our Democratic leaders in Congress and our media annointed spokespeople, and I've allowed myself to be disappointed and feel paralyzed by pessimism. I'll admit it. In the end, I can't control these people by telepathy and make them do what I think they should. I can only advocate what I think is right and hope to persuade others to peacefully oppose this terrible regime in the strongest manner possible. Like Al Gore did yesterday. No matter who I'm standing with, it's doesn't change what I have to stand for. Rising or falling premonitions of success shouldn't matter if one is acting based on moral imperatives.

"When you see the suffering it brings, you have to be mad, blind or a coward to resign yourself to the plague."

-Camus