So much for Fitzmas! What a load of hooey.

[BillZBubb]

I would say I told you so, but...Oh, wait, I just did!

We need to get rid of the giddy optimism that always seems to pervade DU. We need to be tough realists.

My $.02.

[saltpoint]

1. A position can be toughened with facts alone sometimes.

Fact: Fitzgerald's investigation continues.

Have a little patience with a professional, accomplished man and let him do his job.

[BillZBubb]

27. Evidently my post went right by you...

My point was about patience and caution. Instead of that, for the past, what, two years, DU has been deluged with bullshit posts about "Fitzmas" and how the good times were just around the corner. It was sickening in it's absurd--foolish--optimism.

Personally, I'm neutral on Fitzgerald. I don't see him as a saint, a saviour, or a sinner. He's gone after Repugs in the past which is a good sign. But, on the other hand, this is the big leagues now and he might not be able (or willing) to hit a curve ball. Time will tell.

[saltpoint]

28. Posters' optimism was justified. I got your OP. I just disagreed

with it.

[Beelzebud]

2. Fitzapalooza! Fitzmas! Fitzdependance Day! Fitz-O-Rama!

/me pukes.

Agreed. The Fitz hero worship was nausea inducing.

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[Rose Siding]

11. May I never hold my fellows in such low esteem.

[alcibiades_mystery]

15. Amen

;-)

[AndyTiedye]

18. It Was a Way To Find Some Hope in a Nearly Hopeless Situation

Realistically, we know we're completely fucked.

[Ganja Ninja]

5. We should have all remembered one important fact.

Fitz is a Republican.

[Catherine Vincent]

9. No, he's not.

Nor is he a Democrat. But I do believe he's more conservative than liberal.

[Beelzebud]

10. Actaully he is a Republican...

[Catherine Vincent]

16. Okay, well where is your proof?

Fitz said in his news conference that he is neither a Repuke or a Democrat. And I believe him.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

13. No, he is not

Fitzgerald, when he first registered to vote, registered as an independent, believing it meant that he was affiliating himself with no party.

When he found out that "Independent" was, in fact, a political affiliation, he changed his registration.

He is not a registered Democrat, nor is he a registered Republican.

You have no way of knowing his political sentiments, and to state something so wrong so baldly is just laughable.

Now, you're informed.

[Ganja Ninja]

29. How a person register's to vote and what their true political ...

leanings may be are two different things some times. Lots of people come to this site calling themselves independents yet they still spout right wing talking points like they were being remote controlled by Rush Limbaugh. I'm sure many of them sincerely believe they are independent.

Fitzgerald was a close associate of the Clinton hating Louis Freeh while he was working in New York. Fitzgerald was nominated for the position of U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois on the recommendation of U.S. Senator Peter Fitzgerald (no relation), a Republican from Illinois who in turn got his name from Louis Freeh. He's also a strong supporter of the patriot act and expressed some frustration that he was not allowed to question certain government officials during his prosecution of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

Fitzgerald was also criticized in an open letter by John Dean back in November of 05 for not pursuing this investigation with more gusto. Here's a link:
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20051118.html

[jbnow]

14. Fact wrong

Not sure where you got that from to call it a fact.
He has registered Independent as adult, except where Independent was an actual party. Then he changed it to no party affiliation.
He might have the heart of a republican but we can't call that fact, just guess.

[Nashyra]

3. We have to stop thinking

that the rule of law should prevail. We have to move and act like they will be able to break the law at every turning point. Get to work volunteering for a local, state or national campaign.

[wakeme2008]

6. IMHO he will get a good Judgeship

:grr:

[leftofthedial]

7. drip drip drip

Fitzmas

tide is turning



we sound like king george talking about Iraq.

There is no Justice in this country. There is only money and power. If we want justice, we have to make our own.

[saltpoint]

8. Ok, the system's flawed. What do you have that's better?

Are you advocating armed revolution? A storming of the capital?

Give us an alternative. Otherwise I don't see the grounds for debasing Patrick Fitzgerald. My strong hunch is he knows more about the disposition of the case than you and I put together.

[leftofthedial]

17. we need to do whatever it takes

and whatever we dare

to rid our country of the vermin who are destroying it

and to restore our democracy

[saltpoint]

19. Do you honestly believe that process begins with slamming Patrick

Fitzgerald?

I don't.

[leftofthedial]

20. Did I slam Fitzgerald?

I don't believe so.

There is no Justice in this country. There is an elaborate system designed to preserve the status quo, which depends entirely on money.

[saltpoint]

22. We're back to the flawed system. Do you have a constructive

alternative?

Fitzgerald is among the better of our professionals, isn't he? Don't you feel that he and his crew are at work during this investigation?

[leftofthedial]

24. "back"?

I never left.

We are relying on a system to do a job it was never intended to do. And we hang on every development like a bunch of football fans awaiting a first-down measurement.

If we want justice, we have to make it happen. This country no longer works. This is not a new development. It hasn't worked since at least Iran Contra. Things have gotten much worse since the coup of 2000.

Why are you so hostile? Do you see any consistent evidence of criminal, political or social justice in America today?

[saltpoint]

25. I'll give you all your points. All of them. On any topic you want.

I was hoping a dialogue might ensue. We've PM'd about each other's circumstances on DU in the past, and I thought a framework had been better established.

If not, it's my misjudgment.

[leftofthedial]

30. I'm just dubious now of the prospects of anyone ever doing the right thing

in any substantive way in this country--maybe in the whole world

it's like the fix is already in

if you aren't one of the aristocracy or an uberwealthy oligarch

you don't count

it used to be an ugly secret of capitalism

now it is a celebrated feature of our "ownership society"

and half of Murkans or more at any given moment are just fine with it

it's not you, amigo. it's me. it's a dark time.

[saltpoint]

31. leftofthedial, in a quick response I would give you Paul Horgan,

an American novelist of the Great Plains (Give Me Possession, Whitewater, A Distant Trumpet, others):

"While admitting to the worst of all possible worlds, we must behave as if we were the best of all possible people." (Paul Horgan, GIVE ME POSSESSION)

And turbulent times demand of all of us that we hold high, and fiercely and steadily honor those who accel and exalt our condition toward betterment. I mean Fitzgerald in the present case and I also mean certain fathers along the Front Range who endeavor to love and care for their young people, even when circumstances conspire against them, and even in a world that is often stingy about the very real and considerable achievments of parents.

You're one of the good guys, goddammit. You've earned a lot of respect on these boards and properly so.

I'm glad you're voting on our side and on behalf of your kids, well, they're damned lucky. A father with a brain and a heart beats the hell out of one who has only one or neither.

[leftofthedial]

33. thanks, man

you made my day!

:thumbsup:

[OzarkDem]

12. Hate to break it to you

but the investigation is still ongoing and there is still plenty of solid evidence against the Bush WH in this case. It will take a long time to bring these criminals to justice, but I'm patient and willing to wait.

[WI_DEM]

21. I agree the "Fitzmas" stuff got to be a bit much

and yes we should be more guarded until an investigation is completed.

[alcibiades_mystery]

23. Perhaps ridiculous messianism will end now

Or maybe the dimbulbs will find a new messiah. With any luck, he'll be equally photogenic, so the cooing can continue as well...:rofl:

[DisgustedTX]

32. Why do you mock THE MAGIC MAN?

:rofl:

[OzarkDem]

35. Tell us, do

what do all your friends in Free Repubic think of Rove's latest dodge?

[Ariana Celeste]

36. Nice.

:eyes:

[DisgustedTX]

38. Which Kool-Aid flavor is today's preference?

Is it ROVIAN?

[McCamy Taylor]

26. He is doing his job. We should do ours. When is the Voter's Rights March?

I say we hold it in DC on Aug 6, anniversary of the signing of the Voting Rights Act by LBJ. Voting Rights is THE issue of the year, though Karl Rove is doing he can to keep us from realizing it.

[OzarkDem]

34. Jumping to conclusions or wishful thinking?

Some of us here would like to see justice done. Fitz still has a lot of work to do and unless you know otherwise, the investigation continues.

That may disappoint you, I guess not everyone at DU thinks outing CIA agents for revenge is a bad thing. I guess you're entitled to your opinion.

[ladjf]

37. If we got rid of our "giddy optimism" we wouldn't have anything.

We've got no power, no information, no significant clout whatsoever. About all we can do is to log on to DU and connect with some fellow sufferers.