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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:14 PM
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Riverbend weighs in on Zarqawi killing
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
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So 'Zarqawi' is finally dead. It was an interesting piece of news that greeted us yesterday morning (or was it the day before? I've lost track of time…). I didn't bother with the pictures and film they showed of him because I, personally, have been saturated with images of broken, bleeding bodies.

The reactions have been different. There's a general consensus amongst family and friends that he won't be missed, whoever he is. There is also doubt- who was he really? Did he even exist? Was he truly the huge terror the Americans made him out to be? When did he actually die? People swear he was dead back in 2003… The timing is extremely suspicious: just when people were getting really fed up with the useless Iraqi government, Zarqawi is killed and Maliki is hailed the victorious leader of the occupied world! (And no- Iraqis aren't celebrating in the streets- worries over electricity, water, death squads, tests, corpses and extremists in high places prevail right now.)

I've been listening to reactions- mostly from pro-war politicians and the naïveté they reveal is astounding. Maliki (the current Iraqi PM) was almost giddy as he made the news public (he had even gone the extra mile and shaved!). Do they really believe it will end the resistance against occupation? As long as foreign troops are in Iraq, resistance or 'insurgency' will continue- why is that SO difficult to understand? How is that concept a foreign one?

"A new day for Iraqis" is the current theme of the Iraqi puppet government and the Americans. Like it was "A New Day for Iraqis" on April 9, 2003 . And it was "A New Day for Iraqis" when they killed Oday and Qusay. Another "New Day for Iraqis" when they caught Saddam. More "New Day" when they drafted the constitution… I'm beginning to think it's like one of those questions they give you on IQ tests: If 'New' is equal to 'More' and 'Day' is equal to 'Suffering', what does "New Day for Iraqis" mean?
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:21 PM
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1. Every American should read this
kicked and nominated to the Greatest Page!

:-)
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:24 PM
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2. Iraqi opinion is too anti-American for our "liberal media" to air
The most the Iraqis get is some time on obscure AP articles or internet sites.

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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:36 PM
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3. Let freedom reign
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 09:23 PM by MissWaverly
We can give airtime to our bombs, and the pundits will gush about what they were doing when they heard the news but they can't even talk to the Iraqi people about what we are doing there. They have not even confirmed how many victims were found at the bomb site or who they were, I heard a woman and a child and two others besides Zarqawi, now I heard a dozen and mostly Zarqawi supporters, his lieutenants.

RAY SUAREZ: In Baghdad, there were celebrations in the streets. And at the attack site, Iraqis surveying the heaps of rubble expressed disbelief that Zarqawi had been living among them.
IRAQI CITIZEN (through translator): Today, at about 5:45, this house you are seeing, a family was living in it, and it was filled with children and old men and women. There is no Abu Musab or anybody else. They closed the area; they didn't let anyone in; and they laid explosives. Then they blew up the house.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/terrorism/jan-june06/zarqawi_06-08.html
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:36 PM
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4. Let freedom reign II
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 08:40 PM by MissWaverly
Something else that bothered me about this. I heard that the tip of on his location came from the Iraqi government and was a result of their negotiations with the Sunnis to include them in the government. Tonight on the News Hour, I heard our MSM press giving all the credit to the
US military, can any one clear this up?
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:48 PM
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5. She put it plainly:
"It was WMD at first, then it was Saddam, then it was Zarqawi. Who will it be now?"
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 08:59 PM
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6. they want more than rhetoric & promises of a "New Day"
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 09:03 PM by MissWaverly
& Purple fingers, how about rebuilding the country, providing food, electricity, security.
I was listening to Zalmay Khalizad, our Ambassador to Iraq, being interviewed tonight.
Okay, at lot of what he said made sense, but I kept thinking we should have done this in
the first 6 months of the war, why has it taken so long to get to this point.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:13 PM
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7. I sent this to Sean Hannity
Let him see what a real Iraqi has to say about this "glorious victory".
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 11:18 PM
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8. Kick for those who need to see it
:kick:
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 06:38 AM
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9. Obviously riverbend has jumped the zarq.
What does she know, she just lives there. I'll continue to receive wisdom from good old US TVNewz.
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 09:52 AM
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12. here here
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 07:06 AM
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10. It's writing like this that makes Riverbend one of the web's best bloggers
Edited on Sat Jun-10-06 07:07 AM by theHandpuppet
"A new day for Iraqis" is the current theme of the Iraqi puppet government and the Americans. Like it was "A New Day for Iraqis" on April 9, 2003 . And it was "A New Day for Iraqis" when they killed Oday and Qusay. Another "New Day for Iraqis" when they caught Saddam. More "New Day" when they drafted the constitution… I'm beginning to think it's like one of those questions they give you on IQ tests: If 'New' is equal to 'More' and 'Day' is equal to 'Suffering', what does "New Day for Iraqis" mean?

I'l love to see Riverbend's Iraqi diaries published in book form.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 07:08 AM
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11. Agree..
A very important source of news. K & R
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 01:09 PM
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16. I'm going to dissent a little bit here on Riverbend
I always read her blog, and am interested in what she has to say, but seriously, she is very dogmatic. She never does any hand wringing, she has NEVER changed her mind on anything, she never even considers if, in an ideal world, democracy could be a good thing. This is a complete contrast to Iraq, which like America, is full of varying opinions, a lot of it fluid depending on the events of the day. Yet, Riverbend was negative with the arrival of the Americans, negative after the transfer of power to the transitional government, negative after the Americans re-captured Fallujah, negative after the Jan. '05 election (in fact, she was talking about water that day; obviously, she hadn't bothered to vote), negative about the growing violence, negative about the Constitution and election, negative about the government that took forever to be formed, negative when the sectarian strife escalated after the shrine was blown up, negative now after the death of a murderer of Iraqis Zarqawi. So no matter WHAT happens in Iraq, her reaction is always the same. Oh, and her English is American English and impeccable. Why is that? She is as negatively dogmatic as Omar and Mohammed from Iraq the Model were positive (They actually met * in the WH, but as of late, have on occasion been negative, breaking away a bit from their nauseatingly ALWAYS "sunny" posts in the face of violence -- the right wing ceased linking to them once that happened).

THE best Iraqi blogger is Zeyad of www.healingiraq.blogspot.com. He was happy the Americans came, then less happy when soldiers threw his cousin in the river drowning him, then happier with the January '05 elections, then less happy with the results of those elections. 2005 was the year that Zeyad became more pessimistic. With the bombing of the Samarra Shrine this year, he fell into despair. Lucky for him, he has been accepted into a journalism school in NYC (and people all over the world donated to him so he could go), and will be leaving Iraq in a week. I will miss his observations, but am relieved that such a great writer and analyst will survive this war. Here is his post on Zarqawi; some in agreement with Riverbend, but at least he acknowledges that Zarqawi was a bad guy who murdered innocent Iraqis, which is most CERTAINLY true.

His blog:

http://www.healingiraq.blogspot.com/

His Zarqawi post on Comment Is Free:

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/zeyad_a/2006/06/zeyad_on_zarqawi.html

A few excerpts:

Death of a salesman

Don't expect much to change with the slaying of Zarqawi. He amounted to a PR tool - for both sides.

snip

Zarqawi had no respect for the sanctity of human life. He is purported to have beheaded, with his own hands, real people who had families, dreams and whole lives ahead of them. For that, I had no problem smiling ear-to-ear when I looked on his bloody, maimed face. He will not be missed by any Iraqi.

However, it is my opinion, and that of most Iraqis, that Zarqawi was a mere pawn. One that was useful for both the local Iraqi militant groups and for the US military, which painted him as a demigod behind every single bomb that detonates in Iraq from Mosul to Basra.

I'm not going to wax conspiracy theories. The man was dangerous, indeed, but his power stemmed from the fact that the Iraqi insurgency needed a public face for their terror campaign to return to power, and Zarqawi, with his quixotic delusions of crusaders and Zionists under every rock in the Arab world, was more than willing to assume this position. The Iraqi insurgency could easily blame all their atrocities on Zarqawi and the foreign mujahideen, while giving the (false) impression that they are actually a nationalistic force resisting occupation.

The US, on the other hand, also needed a public for its enemy, and in order to lure the Iraqi insurgency into the political process, and not to alienate the Iraqi Sunnis, it had to paint its enemy as mostly a foreign one with limited support from a few radical Iraqis. Zarqawi was all so convenient for the role.


BTW, Riverbend HAS been right about things in the past, so this is why I read her. But this "let's publish her writings in a book" stuff is pushing it for me. She had a POV at the beginning of the war, and it hasn't changed ONE IOTA no matter what the events on the ground. That doesn't strike me as a very insightful person. Simply put, she is a dogmatist, and as a liberal, that makes me skeptical and cautious about her writing.





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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 08:18 PM
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18. She already has,
Sunday, April 02, 2006
After an internet absence of a few days, I returned to find my inbox flooded with dozens of emails with the subject “Congratulations!!!”. In mid March, “Baghdad Burning” won Best Middle East and Africa blog and received a Bloggie so I thought the sudden surge of congratulatory emails was for that esteemed blog award (we would like to thank the academy…).

But, I was shocked to find out the BOOK “Baghdad Burning” had made the short list for the Samuel Johnson Prize- a prestigious, British award for non-fiction!! I didn’t even know it was on the long list for that award so it came as a huge surprise… I kept telling myself it was some sort of mistake because the other names on the short list are so illustrious but I got confirmation from the British publisher - Marion Boyars.

I’ve been walking around in a bit of a daze since I found out. I feel like it’s all happening to someone else and I have to keep reminding myself of it- while filling the water tanks, while cleaning out the kerosene heaters for storage and while changing the newspaper in the parakeets cage (“I hope you know the person cleaning out your cage is a Samuel Johnson nominee…”)

I just want to say it doesn’t matter if the book wins or loses- just to have it on that list is, in itself, an incredible honor.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 11:34 AM
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13. Kicking for the afternoon crowd
Edited on Sat Jun-10-06 11:34 AM by theHandpuppet
AKA those who like to sleep in on the weekend. ;-)
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 11:47 AM
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14. Google: "new day for Iraq" Don't believe the propaganda.
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-10-06 11:53 AM
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15. we don't
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 08:11 PM
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17. Was hoping she'd write about this "news"
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