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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:53 PM
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Name the liberal equivalent to Ann Coulter or Pat Robertson.
An exercise in futility. Name just one left-wing public figure who calls for assassinations or personally attacks grieving widows and mothers.

Take your time, folks.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:54 PM
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1. there aren't any (nt)
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:55 PM
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2. Not one
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:55 PM
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3. *Chirp...*chirp.... hummmm are those crickets I hear ?
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:55 PM
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Joseph Stalin
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:57 PM
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8. Stalin wasn't "liberal"
"Totalitarian" is not "liberal".
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:12 PM
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13. But he's left-wing
And the OP used that term as well.

But I thought the same thing you just said and decided to use my poetic license and post it.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:58 PM
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9. I love that video on your sig line!
It's a classic.

:rofl:
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:55 PM
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4. Wild Man Fisher ?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:55 PM
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5. That professor - Ward Churchill?
But did he attack grieving widows?

I honestly don't know as I have paid very little attention to him. He just strikes me as the leftie the rwers will drag out in this debate.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:56 PM
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7. a stretch
Ward Churchhill is not a major media figure, except as a whipping boy.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:59 PM
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10. Right you are
When Ward Churchill routinely goes on The Today Show, I'll consider him.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:42 PM
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33. He comes closest
That "little Eichmanns" comment was disgusting. But of course no one in America knows who he is because his disturbing hateful books barely make it into mainstream bookstores, let alone end up on the NYT list and net him interviews on major TV shows unlike that hateful c--t Coulter.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:56 PM
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39. 1. he's not really a liberal; 2.he's no where near as extreme
ward churchill doesn't toss around racial epithets. his 'little eichmans' comments was directed at a generic collective, rather than a personnel smear. i defend him, though i understand the anger. but he's a true intellectual and people bothered to read his entire body of work, they'd see he's hardly sinilar to coulter
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 02:56 PM
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6. You mean being paid for being a nut case? Must be some
You know it works for them. They both seem to make a very good living doing all that nutty stuff.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:00 PM
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11. Louis Farrakhan nt
nt
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:42 PM
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46. No, he's very conservative. I think he even spoke of his similarities
with Jerry Falwell.

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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:10 PM
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12. The last one I remember was Jim Jones. . .
strong Democratic supporter from the Bay Area -- called for assassination of a Congressman and his entourage, then took his personal attacks against grieving widows and mothers to the ultimate extreme.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:12 PM
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14. funny funny stuff
THE PEOPLE'S TEMPLE (JIM JONES)Jim Jones held degrees from Indiana University and Butler University. ... "The Jonestown Massacre: CIA Mind Control Run Amok?," at: ...
www.religioustolerance.org/dc_jones.htm - 28k - Cached - Similar pages


WHAT THE MEDIA WON'T TELL YOU: JIM JONES WAS A CIA OPERATIVE ...WHAT THE MEDIA WON'T TELL YOU: JIM JONES WAS A CIA OPERATIVE CONDUCTING MIND ... Jim Jones, lead to the jungles of South America to get away from the ...
www.whale.to/b/jonestown1.html - 26k - Cached - Similar pages


People's Temple, Jim Jones, Jonestown - religious cults and sectsCIA theorists claim that Jim Jones had many questionable associations with the CIA throughout the years he was establishing The People's Temple. ...
www.apologeticsindex.org/p21.html - 62k - Cached - Similar pages


CNN - Jonestown massacre + 20: Questions linger - November 18, 1998Over the years, there have been rumors of CIA involvement. Some people believe CIA agents ... He also blames Jim Jones. "He was a con artist all the way." ...
www.cnn.com/US/9811/18/jonestown.anniv.01/ - 27k - Cached - Similar pages


CIA"Jim Jones was CIA" "Jonestown was a CIA mind control experiment. ... Turn Jim Jones into the CIA No longer enough to methodically detach the monster from ...
jonestown.sdsu.edu/Jonestown_com/CIA.htm - 56k - Cached - Similar pages


Jonestown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe song "Oh My God" by Michael Franti & Spearhead refers to the possible CIA connection to Jim Jones, saying: "CIA runnin' like they're Jones from Indiana/ ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown - 52k - Cached - Similar pages


Jonestown, Guyana Mass Suicide, Massacre, & Jim Jones CultJim Jones was a cult leader who used mind control. Was the CIA involved? The Guiana mass suicide: Causes and people involved. His brigade. ...
www.geocities.com/oldsayville/jones.htm - 35k - Cached - Similar pages


JONESTOWNWHAT THE MEDIA WON'T TELL YOU: JIM JONES WAS A CIA OPERATIVE CONDUCTING MIND CONTROL EXPERIMENTS. JONESTOWN. On November 18, 1978 913 people died in ...
www.geocities.com/Northstarzone/JONESTOWN.html - 28k - Cached - Similar pages


FACTNet Message Board: Jim Jones / The People's TempleShe claims that the CIA had close ties to the commune project in Guyana, and that Jim Jones didn't know who killed the congressman, and didn't order the ...
www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/594.html?1111962608 - 66k - Cached - Similar pages


The Government Psychiatric Torture SiteAt least, it seems clear that elements of our own government, particularly the CIA, knew a great deal about Jim Jones and his heinous activities, ...
www.mk-resistance.com/jonestown.html - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:29 PM
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24. Wasn't funny at all, nor was my post meant to be funny. . .
Jim Jones was a very active and strong proponent of the Democratic Party and liberal ideals, and, like the OP asked, Jim Jones definitely fits the mold of homicidal whack job -- and he was a religious leader, too.


Jonestown could not have occurred without the idiosyncratic and intensely driven personality of Jim Jones, who came to his calling early. When Jones was a boy, a neighbor recalled, "He could preach a good sermon.... He would have about ten youngsters in there, and he would...line them up and make them march. He'd hit them with a stick and they'd scream and cry." They always came back to play the next day, however, and Jones cultivated his identity as a powerful religious leader all his life. In Protestant fundamentalist Indiana, Jones became a pastor by age 19, and the Peoples Temple he began six years later in 1956 contained in microcosm the organizational strategies he would later practice in more bizarre and violent ways. His bogus, emotionally charged faith healings were offset by religious unorthodoxy, a socialist, multiracial vision and a commitment to welfare service that included a soup kitchen, animal shelter, job training and elder care. Even in Indiana, Jones demanded unquestioning loyalty, creating an interrogation committee to root out and punish the deviant; he also learned there to charm the liberal political establishment. His accusations that his wife and black son had been spat upon and dead animals thrown at the church were the first in what became constant claims of persecution. Finally, his removal of his Midwest faithful to Ukiah, California, was a precursor to his move to Guyana. Expanding his congregation in California, he pursued an undeviating line of purpose that reached its own apocalypse in Jonestown.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/19990201/drew


And from the San Francisco Chronicle:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronic...

(Jim) Jones Captivated S.F.'s Liberal Elite: They were late to discover how cunningly he curried favor

<snip>

Before he became infamous for leading 913 people to their deaths in the Guyanese jungle, the Rev. Jim Jones was the darling of San Francisco's liberal establishment -- a man who could spread the wealth to all the fashionable charities and, at a moment's notice, marshal thousands of followers for a good cause.

<snip>


Tough as it is at times, we all have to face up to the realities of this existence -- especially when they fly in the face of our cherished chimeras.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:19 PM
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15. Jean Paul Marat for Ann Maybe???
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:22 PM
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17. Let's try shooting for one within the last 200 years.
Good try, though.
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:20 PM
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16. No one
No liberal that has ever lived could possibly have so much hate and bloodlust and be as much of a full-fledged psychopath as Mrs. Hitler
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:32 PM
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26. See my post #12. . .
that Liberal was far and away more deranged than Ms Coulter. . .
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:35 PM
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29. Jim Jones was a liberal?
That's news to me...
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:37 PM
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31. See my post #24. . .
and the articles I cite that appeared in both The Nation and The San Francisco Chronicle.

There are numerous others, too, if you take the time to Google.
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:26 PM
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18. None, but they love to throw Michael Moore's name around
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:27 PM
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19. chirp... chirp...
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:27 PM
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20. Fred Phelps
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AllNamesHaveBeenUsed Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:53 PM
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52. Phelps...
Phelps is an enigma. He has "qualities" from both ends of the spectrum. Yes, he has supported Democrats and has even run as one. He was a civil rights advocate. When it comes to gays, however, he shows that he is a hate-filled bigot. Liberal? No. Monster? Yes.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 10:59 AM
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57. shhh...nobody's supposed to know he works for us. n/t
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:27 PM
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21. PETA, some of them anyway
Their objective is to shock in many cases.

But they have nowhere near the national stage that Coulter or Robertson do.

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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:30 PM
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25. That's actually a really good answer.
I wouldn't have come up with that, but it is (at times) true.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:43 PM
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35. Excellent Analogy & Comparison.
:thumbsup:
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 12:58 PM
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59. Would you unpack that a bit, please?
I guess that feels sort of like saying, "DU, or some of them anyway." PeTA is a group of minority voices, not an individual. I haven't agreed with everything said or done by every poster here, or even with our most public voices, say Skinner or Pitt; have you? The fact that some members do some dumb or misguided stuff doesn't change the mission of the organization.

You are correct that they don't have nearly the media access of Coulter or Robertson. As far as I know, PeTA has never called for the execution of anyone. And while Robertson and Coulter regularly campaign to take away others' rights, who does PeTA seek to disenfranchise? Cockfighters? Puppy mill operators?

Frankly, I'm not thrilled with PeTA's antics sometimes, but don't believe that they deserve to be placed in a position of equivalence with two of the loudest and most hateful media forces in our nation.
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:29 PM
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23. Who has Hillary advocated assassinating? nt
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:36 PM
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30. Hee Hee
You're funny Think About It. :D Enjoy your short stay.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:42 PM
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34. Why do you always repeat the "headline" of the OP in your messages?
OK, I'll play.

Hilary Clinton is an intelligent, educated woman with a serious resume. She has had a long marriage, successful despite its problems. She raised an accomplished daughter. She looks fine for a woman her age.

Hilary is not a skank whore.



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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:32 PM
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27. Whoever it may be, the MSM pays no attention to them
The freepers would probably name Hillary or Gloria Steinem or the like.

But that would be like Mann Coulter getting elected Senator.

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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:34 PM
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28. There isn't one, can't be one. It doesn't fit with the philosophy.
Ann must be really sick in some way, detached from reality and/or consumed with unresolved hatred.

So there could be an anonymous, unpublished, politically liberal individual who likewise is detached from reality and/or so consumed with hatred that they are writing the "liberal equivalent" of Coulter's inane ramblings.

But who would want to read it?
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:38 PM
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32. I can't see anyone on the left
advocating the kind of authoritarian, pro-corporate skankiness that Coulter represents.

And while we're on the subject, how come she isn't home in the kitchen, bare-footed and pregnant like a good true conservative woman should be?
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:49 PM
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36. Randi Rhodes and Noam Chomsky
I wouldn't call them an exact comparison, but they're as far left as Coulter and Robertson are to the right.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:07 PM
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40. Randi Rhodes is not nearly as well known as whatsername....
I haven't heard her, but wonder if she is as offensive. And I've never heard Mr Chomsky using low abusive language.

Nope...

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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:25 PM
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41. Chomsky at least has an ideological basis to what he says.
Coulter is just plain weird and is simply an attack dog.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:27 PM
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42. I'm not comparing Chomsky to Coulter.
I compared Rhodes to Coulter, and Chomsky to Robertson.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:29 PM
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43. So you feel Robertson has an ideological basis for his
hatred?
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:31 PM
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44. Sure. Christian fundamentalism.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:51 PM
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37. Ted Rall - shock for shock's sake (he even attacked the 9/11 widows)
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 03:53 PM by rinsd
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 10:50 AM
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56. Ted Rall is a good choice for this....it should be someone that
totally crosses the line and offends everyone occasionally.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 03:51 PM
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38. putting on air bush is bi sexual, rhandi may not be coulter, but feelin
like a limbaugh
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:37 PM
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45. Considering media coverage, NO liberal equivalent...
Anyone who's even half dialed in can rattle off the names of Coulter, O'Reilly, Robertson, Limbaugh, Falwell and other top-drawer assholes.

These miserable wretches get so much time on mainsteam outlets like NBC, Time, CNN, etc. -- and there is NO liberal equivalent out there.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:41 PM
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50. Is it really a bad thing that "our loons" don't get as much air time
as the repuke loons? If someone is going to say something really stupid in defense of our side, isn't it better that it's heard by as few people as possible?
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mikemckay Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:45 PM
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47. off the top of my head....
Alan Hevesi, the NY state comptroller who made the "bullet between the eyes" remark about Bush last week.
Michael Moore, of course.
E.L.F. and A.L.F.
Quannel X or almost any other member of the New Black Panther Party.
And any member of Bill Maar's round table (except the weekly, lone conservative that never opens his/her mouth).

Is there a difference between saying that "a 9/11 widow is enjoying her new celebrity" and saying "your criminal, soldier son died while carrying out an unjust, illegal activity"? I would imagine that's equally hurtful....
Since I only spent about 1 minute coming up with those names, I'm sure I could list many, many more if I had time.

Difference here is that you want a full-time pundit. Most of the loony-left comes from one-timers that are never heard from again. The loony-right usually has a pulpit and a full-time job spewing their idiocy. And, of course, the ideology alone would prevent the left from really speaking their minds. If a bleeding-heart, hand-wringing, p.c. liberal says something violent, they lose all credibility in their touchy-feely agenda. That's why they embrace the anarchists.

By the way, who-ever said Ted Rall...that's a good one. I forgot about that guy.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 04:47 PM
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48. I can see your point....
The one that came off the top of your head, that is!

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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:06 PM
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49. Who? ELF ALF?
Since when are the Black Panthers liberal? Who told you they were? Them, or Limbaugh? One would be credible, the other is a junkie.

You are not allowed to say Bill Maher if you can't spell his name. :P Tony Snow never talked? Want a copy off my TiVo to prove that lie?

Moore never said anything half as hateful as Coulter, and never called for the assasination of anybody. Try again. He's not in the same league. Being strong in your beliefs doesn't equal hatred.

Why am I trying here? You just drank toio much Kool-Aid to be reasoned with. :eyes:

Who said that"criminal soldier..." comment, and why don't you expand on what Coulter REALLY said about enjoying their husband's deaths? Nice whitewash job.

You think we're idiots?
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mikemckay Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:47 PM
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51. you're right.
at least about the spelling of Bill Maher's name....and my mention of his show was in jest.

Read the original post....it doesn't say "liberal" it says "left" and I doubt that the New Black Panther party is voting Republican.

ELF (Earth Liberation Front) and ALF (Animal Liberation Front) are eco-terrorists. Google them if you want to know who they are.

Michael Moore may be strong in his beliefs, but I don't think that gives him the right to slander, name-call and misrepresent the positions and thoughts of others in wide-release motion pictures. If you read the original post, you'll see that you don't have to advocate assassination to be listed....you just need to be an a**hole to people who don't deserve it.

The criminal soldier comment is a summary comparison. Left-wing war protestors are commonly heard and seen calling our soldiers killers, rapists and all-around criminals. If you don't think that's hurtful and enraging to the friends and family of armed forces, you're wrong.

Funny thing I've noticed about Kool Aid; those who consume the most seem to accuse the rest of over-consumption.
I happen to be a VERY moderate person and I think most would see that from my first post.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 10:36 AM
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54. Actually it says liberal in the topic header first.
Edited on Sun Jun-11-06 10:41 AM by Touchdown
Nice that you can conveniently ignore that fact. Left wing doesn't mean "leftist" either.

Answer my question. Don't speculate that you "doubt" the BPs vote Republican. PROVE IT. You made the charge, you prove it. What are their party memberships?

Regarding the eco-terrorists. Prove their affiliation with the Democratic Party. Find one quote from any elected Democratic Politician that praised the spiking of trees and the tossing of blood on fur coats.

Moore? Quote a proveable lie he's said about Bush or his administration in F9/11 or his media appearances plugging it. Name calling? You better come up with something equivelant to "Scumbag" or used condom, which Coulter called President Clinton in 1999.

Summary comparisons by what you percieve to be said, are not actual quotes, and thus is considered out of context slander. You have no case to say such a thing.

You have not proven your "VERY moderate" position. Your serious lack of facts smells like right wing propaganda talking points, and that is not anywhere near moderate. Buying into the right wing's placing these eco terrorists and Black Panthers into the Democratic camp is not moderate. All that proves is that you don't listen to Democrats. You just listen to Republicans talk about Democrats.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 05:53 PM
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53. A.N.S.W.E.R
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 10:38 AM
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55. We don't have an equivalent to Coulter or Robertson.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 12:08 PM
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58. Volkert van der Graaf? He killed Pim Fortuyn
Facing a raucous court on the first day of his murder trial, he said his goal was to stop Mr Fortuyn exploiting Muslims as "scapegoats" and targeting "the weak parts of society to score points" to try to gain political power.

He said: "I confess to the shooting. He was an ever growing danger who would affect many people in society. I saw it as a danger. I hoped that I could solve it myself.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/20...


Yeah, you have to go quite far to find one. He ends up in jail, of course, not being feted by anyone. And he wasn't a public figure, so I admit I've failed too.
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